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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 19 2015 20:50 GMT
#241
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

Agreed. I'd probably even favor Rain in that matchup although it's hard to tell with PartinG.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 19 2015 20:52 GMT
#242
On October 20 2015 05:50 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

Agreed. I'd probably even favor Rain in that matchup although it's hard to tell with PartinG.

did you find the time to open that LRSL thread ?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 20:55:30
October 19 2015 20:54 GMT
#243
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

that could really go either way, neither has done much recently, but I am still leaning towards PartinG since he 3-0'd Rain at IEM

On October 20 2015 05:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:50 The_Templar wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

Agreed. I'd probably even favor Rain in that matchup although it's hard to tell with PartinG.

did you find the time to open that LRSL thread ?


Unfortunately clearly he did not
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 20:55:52
October 19 2015 20:55 GMT
#244
On October 20 2015 05:20 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 03:52 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:50 Shellshock wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Maybe at SC2, but $O$ never won the most important thing: BD's heart.

You think soon-to-be 300K$ can't win BD's heart?

Bisu has earned way more then 300k. He's on the top 10 highest grossing eSports figures. But I do like watching me some SOS. Also like Bisu, SoS also has a winning record versus Shine. That's all we truly care about.

Even with the dota people winning a million a year?

nope Jaedong is the only non-Doter breaking top 30 now


In Western esports most of the money is in prize pools, in Korean esports most of the money is in salaries. Not really a good comparison.

sadly we don't have another one to relate to
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
October 19 2015 20:57 GMT
#245
On October 20 2015 05:55 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:20 jalstar wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:52 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:50 Shellshock wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Maybe at SC2, but $O$ never won the most important thing: BD's heart.

You think soon-to-be 300K$ can't win BD's heart?

Bisu has earned way more then 300k. He's on the top 10 highest grossing eSports figures. But I do like watching me some SOS. Also like Bisu, SoS also has a winning record versus Shine. That's all we truly care about.

Even with the dota people winning a million a year?

nope Jaedong is the only non-Doter breaking top 30 now


In Western esports most of the money is in prize pools, in Korean esports most of the money is in salaries. Not really a good comparison.

sadly we don't have another one to relate to

So for TI each player gets 1 mil not the entire team right?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#246
Surely there were times when I would favour Rain without blinking an eye, but that time doesn't seem to be now
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 19 2015 21:00 GMT
#247
On October 20 2015 05:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:55 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:20 jalstar wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:52 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:50 Shellshock wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Maybe at SC2, but $O$ never won the most important thing: BD's heart.

You think soon-to-be 300K$ can't win BD's heart?

Bisu has earned way more then 300k. He's on the top 10 highest grossing eSports figures. But I do like watching me some SOS. Also like Bisu, SoS also has a winning record versus Shine. That's all we truly care about.

Even with the dota people winning a million a year?

nope Jaedong is the only non-Doter breaking top 30 now


In Western esports most of the money is in prize pools, in Korean esports most of the money is in salaries. Not really a good comparison.

sadly we don't have another one to relate to

So for TI each player gets 1 mil not the entire team right?

was >6,5mil for the team for the last one http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2015
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 21:26:21
October 19 2015 21:19 GMT
#248
Just realised I haven't posted my predictions yet. Don't know if we'll get a predictions contest like last year, so here we go :

ro 16 :
(P)herO[jOin] 3-1 (T)FanTaSy
(Z)ByuL 3-2 (P)Classic
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (P)Zest
(Z)Life 3-1 (P)Lilbow
(P)Rain 3-2 (T)Polt (I really believe Polt will give Rain a tough time)
(P)sOs 3-0 (P)PartinG
(T)Dream 3-0 (Z)Hydra
(T)Maru 3-1 (Z)Rogue

ro8 :
(Z)ByuL 3-2 (P)herO[jOin]
(T)INnoVation 3-0 (Z)Life
(P)Rain 3-1 (P)sOs
(T)Maru 3-2 (T)Dream

ro4 :
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (Z)ByuL
(P)Rain 3-2 (T)Maru (really tough one, I believe Rain has what it takes to reach the finals though ; and as much as I love Maru, I wouldn't be happy with a TvT finals for the last HotS tournament)

Finals
(T)INnoVation 4-2 (P)Rain
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 19 2015 21:23 GMT
#249
I still think that sOs beats Rain in PvP (or if Parting shows that he can beat sOs, he can beat Rain as well), so I would probably just swap sOs in Rain's place and the nthe rest of the predictions is really agreeable apart from Inno 3-0 Life. I can see Inno winning, but definitely not 3-0, there is almost no way Life does not take at least one game in a Bo5 ZvT with some kind of weird shit.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 19 2015 21:42 GMT
#250
On October 20 2015 05:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:50 The_Templar wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

Agreed. I'd probably even favor Rain in that matchup although it's hard to tell with PartinG.

did you find the time to open that LRSL thread ?

I only got 6 people signed up from this thread, and I don't think I'd get very many more by opening the LRSL thread. I'd rather not play the tournament out missing a bunch of people ^^.
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joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
October 19 2015 21:44 GMT
#251
I'd be surprised but I really hope Lilbow makes it past the first round
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 19 2015 21:55 GMT
#252
On October 20 2015 05:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:55 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:20 jalstar wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:52 Ej_ wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:50 Shellshock wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:04 OtherWorld wrote:
On October 20 2015 03:02 IntoTheheart wrote:
Maybe at SC2, but $O$ never won the most important thing: BD's heart.

You think soon-to-be 300K$ can't win BD's heart?

Bisu has earned way more then 300k. He's on the top 10 highest grossing eSports figures. But I do like watching me some SOS. Also like Bisu, SoS also has a winning record versus Shine. That's all we truly care about.

Even with the dota people winning a million a year?

nope Jaedong is the only non-Doter breaking top 30 now


In Western esports most of the money is in prize pools, in Korean esports most of the money is in salaries. Not really a good comparison.

sadly we don't have another one to relate to

So for TI each player gets 1 mil not the entire team right?


Yes but there's not much consistency, you get completely different top teams from year to year.
FanaticCZ
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic287 Posts
October 19 2015 21:57 GMT
#253
Cant wait
INnoVation is the GOAT!
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
October 19 2015 22:00 GMT
#254
On October 20 2015 06:42 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 05:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:50 The_Templar wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 20 2015 05:02 opisska wrote:
Let's face it, single-elim tournaments are hard to predict. There are some things that are pretty much clear:

herO > Fantasy
Life > Lilbow
Dream > Hydra

and the winner of Parting/sOs > the winner of Rain/Polt

and and will would have eaten (I know this is jibberish, but seriously, is there a correct tense in English for this?!) my hat if I will have had any and something went differently than this. But then with the obvious weak links out of the way, anything can happen. The introduction of two Korean leagues has really made sure that the people who got into Blizzcon are mostly serious contenders. Sure, some of there were hotter earlier this year than now, but each and every one is championship material.

I don't think PartinG wins vs Rain, or at least I don't think it's "pretty much clear".

Agreed. I'd probably even favor Rain in that matchup although it's hard to tell with PartinG.

did you find the time to open that LRSL thread ?

I only got 6 people signed up from this thread, and I don't think I'd get very many more by opening the LRSL thread. I'd rather not play the tournament out missing a bunch of people ^^.


Open thread and see? IIRC, weren't there quite a few punters who signed up on the thread last year? I doubt many people can find it in the middle of this thread. :p

Also, don't think lilbow/life is as decisive as some people seem to think it is, I could easily see Lilbow beating Life.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 19 2015 22:13 GMT
#255
On October 20 2015 06:44 joshie0808 wrote:
I'd be surprised but I really hope Lilbow makes it past the first round

I really hope so too just for tears
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 22:17:47
October 19 2015 22:17 GMT
#256
On October 20 2015 07:13 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 06:44 joshie0808 wrote:
I'd be surprised but I really hope Lilbow makes it past the first round

I really hope so too just for tears

http://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png they will come for you first
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 00:43 GMT
#257
This will be so siiiiick! :-)
Can't wait for it :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 00:50:04
October 20 2015 00:49 GMT
#258
And my predictions:
(P)herO 3-2 (T)FanTaSy
(Z)ByuL 3-2 (P)Classic
(T)INnoVation 3-2 (P)Zest
(Z)Life 1-3 (P)Lilbow
(P)Rain 3-1 (T)Polt
(P)sOs 3-0 (P)PartinG
(T)Dream 3-2 (Z)Hydra
(T)Maru 2-3 (Z)Rogue
sOs, please, don't lose, when you chose to play PartinG!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
feanaro
Profile Joined March 2014
United States123 Posts
October 20 2015 01:20 GMT
#259
On October 20 2015 06:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Just realised I haven't posted my predictions yet. Don't know if we'll get a predictions contest like last year, so here we go :

ro 16 :
(P)herO[jOin] 3-1 (T)FanTaSy
(Z)ByuL 3-2 (P)Classic
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (P)Zest
(Z)Life 3-1 (P)Lilbow
(P)Rain 3-2 (T)Polt (I really believe Polt will give Rain a tough time)
(P)sOs 3-0 (P)PartinG
(T)Dream 3-0 (Z)Hydra
(T)Maru 3-1 (Z)Rogue



You really think Byul is going to beat Classic? Even when Byul wasn't depressed from losing 3 finals in a row, Classic rekt him 3-0 like he wasn't even trying. I just don't see how Byul wins that one.
wjat
Profile Joined August 2015
385 Posts
October 20 2015 01:37 GMT
#260
The only way for Maru to be remembered as the greatest Terran in HotS is to win this tournament. If he doesn't Innovation will stay the true terran king of HotS.
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