[WCS] Ro16 Day 2 - Season 3 2015 - Page 35

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[PkF] Wire

France24239 Posts

September 09 2015 19:45 GMT

#681

Wow Jaedong vs Lilbow first ?

Die4Ever

United States17741 Posts

September 09 2015 19:45 GMT

#682

On September 10 2015 04:41 Nesto wrote:
anyone else remember a time when blizzard made good game trailers? ... god that shit looks lame

Are you talking about the commercial for the single new character for Heroes, or the for the patch to Wow? Their game/expansion commercials are still cool.

Ej_

47656 Posts

September 09 2015 19:45 GMT

#683

On September 10 2015 04:45 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Wow Jaedong vs Lilbow first ?

WCS crew taking care of my sleep schedule

Die4Ever

United States17741 Posts

September 09 2015 19:45 GMT

#684

On September 10 2015 04:43 Penev wrote:
You wonder what happened to Blizzard's writers

Everything is so unimaginative and cliche the last few games

yea unfortunately

hopefully LotV is improved

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

September 09 2015 19:46 GMT

#685

On September 10 2015 04:45 Die4Ever wrote:

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Are you talking about the commercial for the single new character for Heroes, or the for the patch to Wow? Their game/expansion commercials are still cool.

I think commercials and trailers are done by different teams? That's probably why there's a difference in quality.

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

September 09 2015 19:46 GMT

#686

On September 10 2015 04:44 royalroadweed wrote:

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On September 10 2015 04:38 stuchiu wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:27 OtherWorld wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:20 stuchiu wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:

On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:

On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:
[quote]
Well I mean
ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist
MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist
Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players.
Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era
A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin
ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that

honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled

and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up

Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good.

And what have you seen of CJ?

They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit.

Hydra improved after leaving.
Gumiho improved after leaving.
They basically chased effort out of the scene.

Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills.

Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ.

I think Rain's skill went down, but his mindset went up.

Paring went up, but in his own words, "I'm a wild ESF animal. I don't belong in Kespa zoo."

They improved Classic (though that could have just been STX), Dream, Dark, soO and revived Inno.

JA improved Rogue, Cure, Trap.

Khan improved Bravo, revived Dear, improved Solar.

KT improved Stats and TY.

Every Kespa team can keep a players skill up within a certain range, but every other Kespa team beyond CJ has improved the overall skill in players in at least 2 players or more. In CJ's case the only player that impoved was ByuL, and he was on the up and up before he joined CJ.

Basically all I'm saying is CJ wasnt integral to ByuL's success. So long as he joined a Kespa team, I think he would have always been around this skill level.

I fail a bit to understand your reasoning here. How did Khan improve Solar (assuming we're talking about the period since ByuL joined CJ) or JAGW improved Cure, or KT improve TY, but CJ didn't improve herO, who won his first KR Premier this year and went one map away from GSL finals, or Ragnarok, semi-retired player who did Code S Ro32 (don't remember if it's during S2 or this season), or sKyHigh, who saw improved results, or Bbyong, who never knew individual success like that?

I did say SkyHigh improved.

I count improvement from when a player solidified their identity to now. So herO/BByong solidified their identites as a Top 5 Protoss/ro16 Terran since early 2014/2013.

They havent gone up since then. They havent gone down, but they have gone up despite Park supposedly being the wold's godliest coach? (I think its actually Ryu Won and Kim Min Ki in SC2, but ahts a different topic).

Rag was always a ro32 player or below that and he still is even after playing for CJ.

Cure was a ro32 player who peaked almost high enough to win a GSL. TY for almost his entire carrer is a perenial good PL player thats goes bad in playoffs, but somehow Ryu Won got him to play well once he got there.

Stats was around a ro16 player for a long time, but he eventually went all the way up to Top 3 of his race.

Not feeling Ryu Won anymore. KT isn't nearly as strong in 2015 as they were in 2014.

His resume is too good and the amount of praise he got (from pros) was too high for me to dismiss him, even after KT's bad performance this year.

Psychonian

United States2322 Posts

September 09 2015 19:47 GMT

#687

    (2007) Jaedong  0-0  Lilbow (2207)     
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        16.99% 2-0       0-2  34.55%       
        19.98% 2-1       1-2  28.48%       
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            36.97%        63.03%           

Median outcome: Jaedong 1-2 Lilbow

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

I'd give JD higher chances than that but I'd still probably favor Lilbow

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

September 09 2015 19:47 GMT

#688

On September 10 2015 04:43 Penev wrote:
You wonder what happened to Blizzard's writers

Everything is so unimaginative and cliche the last few games

You say that like Brood War's writing wasn't terrible.

HellHound

Bulgaria5962 Posts

September 09 2015 19:47 GMT

#689

On September 10 2015 04:45 Die4Ever wrote:

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yea unfortunately

hopefully LotV is improved

It was always unimaginative and cliche O.O but had good dialogue I guess.

HellHound

Bulgaria5962 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#690

On September 10 2015 04:47 Fanatic-Templar wrote:

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You say that like Brood War's writing wasn't terrible.

Queen bitch of the universe, Bitch.

Ej_

47656 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#691

Is it me or does Lilbow have an unnaturaly big head?

Aeromi

France14462 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#692

Lilbow said he can't lose PvZ according to YoGo #ez

chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#693

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(people)

[PkF] Wire

France24239 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#694

On September 10 2015 04:47 Psychonian wrote:

    (2007) Jaedong  0-0  Lilbow (2207)     
-------------------------------------------
        16.99% 2-0       0-2  34.55%       
        19.98% 2-1       1-2  28.48%       
-------------------------------------------
            36.97%        63.03%           

Median outcome: Jaedong 1-2 Lilbow

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

I'd give JD higher chances than that but I'd still probably favor Lilbow

I would give similar percentages for a bo5+ but in a bo3 I feel like it's a really tough match to call.

Ej_

47656 Posts

September 09 2015 19:48 GMT

#695

On September 10 2015 04:48 Aeromi wrote:
Lilbow said he can't lose PvZ according to YoGo #ez

Drogo said he would 4-1 Losira