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On September 10 2015 04:05 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:02 Yorkie wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:52 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:51 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:50 Yorkie wrote:
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...cherry pick much? Sorry I meant to say MC, always confuse the GSL casters Yeah I heard INnoVation is a good caster these days INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Lmao Byul was promising way before then. And nice use of rustled, you're an excellent memer, but a terrible debater. there's a difference between "promising" and "good", but w/e
There's also a different between "promising" and "sucked." There's also a huge difference between good and his level right now as one of the best in the world overall and probably best zerg atm
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Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 10 2015 04:08 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:52 OtherWorld wrote:
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Yeah I heard INnoVation is a good caster these days INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. But but Sora 
Sora is exactly the same since he joined. Can only perform when the letters WCG form n anagram.
As for ByuL, he is the anomaly. Which makes me think any other Kespa team could have done to ByuL what CJ did.
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On September 10 2015 04:07 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 brickrd wrote:
i know people are joking around but the concept of a runner is so hilarious. like there's something dishonorable about competing in lower level tournaments if you think you can win them lol, foreign ladder heroes farm money off of minor tournaments too. and moving to another country is actually a massive commitment that deserves tons of respect But way less manly than Yugioh holding his fucking ground.
Yugioh is a fucking god man. I miss him
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On September 10 2015 04:09 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope?
It looks like he needed to warm up or something
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On September 10 2015 04:09 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope?
nah he's a sloppy player sometimes, it's just part of his style
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United States97276 Posts
On September 10 2015 04:05 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 brickrd wrote:
i know people are joking around but the concept of a runner is so hilarious. like there's something dishonorable about competing in lower level tournaments if you think you can win them lol, foreign ladder heroes farm money off of minor tournaments too. and moving to another country is actually a massive commitment that deserves tons of respect We're the StarCraft community, mate. If you're not the best, you're shit. If you're not directly trying to beat the best of the best, you can't be good. If you don't spend 12h a day in front of a computer and don't sacrifice your social life in order to attempt a hazardous career in pro eSports, you're a lazy fucker.
I mean it's pretty much that way in every competitive community be it esports, regular sports, or whatever. If you ain't first, you're last
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On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:52 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:51 Ej_ wrote:
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Sorry I meant to say MC, always confuse the GSL casters Yeah I heard INnoVation is a good caster these days INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills.
Plz leave CJ, Bbyong T_T
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On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:52 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:51 Ej_ wrote:
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Sorry I meant to say MC, always confuse the GSL casters Yeah I heard INnoVation is a good caster these days INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills.
Rain got better results upon leaving SKT. PartinG too. MyunGsik too. I can't think of players that left Khan or JAGW recently. Hydra made 17th-24th of Code S twice while on CJ. What makes you tell he would do it now? I'll give you GuMiho, he should have been used by CJ.
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On September 10 2015 04:10 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:09 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope? nah he's a sloppy player sometimes, it's just part of his style
And he looks very tired.
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On September 10 2015 04:09 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope?
the good old HopeTorture
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On September 10 2015 04:09 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:08 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:
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INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. But but Sora Sora is exactly the same since he joined. Can only perform when the letters WCG form n anagram. As for ByuL, he is the anomaly. Which makes me think any other Kespa team could have done to ByuL what CJ did.
I honestly thought Byul seemed really good even when he was on IM. I get why people don't like to listen to me say things like "his play was solid" or "he had potential" without the results to back it up but I honestly think he was building towards his current skill level even back on IM.
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On September 10 2015 04:05 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 brickrd wrote:
i know people are joking around but the concept of a runner is so hilarious. like there's something dishonorable about competing in lower level tournaments if you think you can win them lol, foreign ladder heroes farm money off of minor tournaments too. and moving to another country is actually a massive commitment that deserves tons of respect We're the StarCraft community, mate. If you're not the best, you're shit. If you're not directly trying to beat the best of the best, you can't be good. If you don't spend 12h a day in front of a computer and don't sacrifice your social life in order to attempt a hazardous career in pro eSports, you're a lazy fucker.
Yeah and all that's horrible for physical and mental health which I thought came across nicely in the SC2 VN. Koreans in team houses don't just practice more, they have people helping them get a good diet and exercise and the team house provides social interaction.
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On September 10 2015 04:10 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:09 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Why I have a feeling Polt played sloppily vs Violet to let Elazer hope? the good old HopeTorture
HopeTorture famously lost his TvZ though.
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Widow mines, the "I hope you were paying attention literally 1 second ago" unit
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On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:52 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:51 Ej_ wrote:
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Sorry I meant to say MC, always confuse the GSL casters Yeah I heard INnoVation is a good caster these days INnoVation stayed in Korea, you need to improve on your runner trivia Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills.
Fun fact:
Out of the 2 protoss's that left SKT from the 3 big Protoss's in SKT (Rain, PartinG and Classic)
Rain and PartinG won 2+ tournaments in half a year, since their (highest) peak in 2012 and has finally reached the GSL finals while being on a foreign team AFTER LEAVING SKT, say much about skill? (ALSO, Rain might still reach SSL finals)
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On September 10 2015 04:10 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:05 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 brickrd wrote:
i know people are joking around but the concept of a runner is so hilarious. like there's something dishonorable about competing in lower level tournaments if you think you can win them lol, foreign ladder heroes farm money off of minor tournaments too. and moving to another country is actually a massive commitment that deserves tons of respect We're the StarCraft community, mate. If you're not the best, you're shit. If you're not directly trying to beat the best of the best, you can't be good. If you don't spend 12h a day in front of a computer and don't sacrifice your social life in order to attempt a hazardous career in pro eSports, you're a lazy fucker. I mean it's pretty much that way in every competitive community be it esports, regular sports, or whatever. If you ain't first, you're last
there are people with that attitude in everything, sure, but it's still absurd. i mean if you're a competitor and you use that attitude to further your own success fine, but fans trash talking players because they're not all god prodigies and want to find things they can win is just douchey
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On September 10 2015 04:11 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 04:09 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:08 Aeromi wrote:On September 10 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:03 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 04:02 stuchiu wrote:On September 10 2015 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:59 OtherWorld wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On September 10 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
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Nah I know I failed, just too tired to think straight d: yeah yeah find more excuses for the washed up Koreans Well I mean ByuL was a runner once and is now GSL and SSL finalist MMA was a runner once and is BlizzCon runner-up and GSL semifinalist Bomber was a runner once and has shown solid play, although nothing extraordinary. Same with jjakji, with weaker play, but like many true KR players. Polt beat the greatest PvT players during the Protoss golden era A team made with many former runners beat KeSPA's mighty JinAir this round in PL round robin ForGG, Stardust and San are failures I'll give you that honestly I was just kidding at first, but Yorkie got pretty rustled and we both know that ByuL sucked before CJ picked him up Given what I've seen of CJ, I'm just gonna go ahead and say that CJ had little impact on his skill overall. Send him to any other Kespa team and he's just as good. And what have you seen of CJ? They have all maintained there respective levels of skill, except SkyHigh who went up for a little bit. Hydra improved after leaving. Gumiho improved after leaving. They basically chased effort out of the scene. Compared to say what KT, JA, SKT, KHAN they havent really shown any kind of skill in increasing their players overall skills. But but Sora Sora is exactly the same since he joined. Can only perform when the letters WCG form n anagram. As for ByuL, he is the anomaly. Which makes me think any other Kespa team could have done to ByuL what CJ did. I honestly thought Byul seemed really good even when he was on IM. I get why people don't like to listen to me say things like "his play was solid" or "he had potential" without the results to back it up but I honestly think he was building towards his current skill level even back on IM.
That's not false. There was some hype when he joined CJ because of his good results in PL on IM and all that. Obviously lots of people went the "overhyped player" route. Well, look at where he is now d:
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