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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 2?
★★ - If you have time (16)
70%
★★★ - Good game (3)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
9%
★ - Don't watch this game (2)
9%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 3?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (8)
73%
★ - Don't watch this game (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (1)
9%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★ - If you have time (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 3?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 4?
★ - Don't watch this game (7)
41%
★★★ - Good game (5)
29%
★★ - If you have time (4)
24%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
6%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 4?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 5?
★ - Don't watch this game (11)
61%
★★★ - Good game (3)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
17%
★★ - If you have time (1)
6%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 5?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 6?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
50%
★★★ - Good game (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
17%
★ - Don't watch this game (1)
8%
★★ - If you have time (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 6?
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 7?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (6)
46%
★★★ - Good game (3)
23%
★★ - If you have time (2)
15%
★ - Don't watch this game (2)
15%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rain vs ByuL, Game 7?
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Rain vs ByuLin in GSL Code S Season 2 finals. Rain has the #3 Headband. ByuL has the #1 Headband. Rain is at 99.62% Blizzcon Chances, with a 64.78% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 99.99%, or 98.92% if they lose. ByuL is at 84.28% Blizzcon Chances, with a 35.22% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 98.73%, or 76.43% if they lose.
Branch #2074 Biggest Winners ByuL went up by 14.45%, going from 84.28% to 98.73%
Biggest Losers Stats went down by 0.98%, going from 40.75% to 39.77% FanTaSy went down by 0.96%, going from 41.09% to 40.13% Rogue went down by 0.93%, going from 67.35% to 66.42% Zest went down by 0.86%, going from 69.25% to 68.39% Dark went down by 0.81%, going from 65.35% to 64.54% sOs went down by 0.79%, going from 37.13% to 36.34% Rain went down by 0.7%, going from 99.62% to 98.92% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
INnoVation went down by 0.63%, going from 31.69% to 31.06% Bunny went down by 0.57%, going from 32.14% to 31.58% Snute went down by 0.56%, going from 27.14% to 26.58% Jaedong went down by 0.55%, going from 27.79% to 27.24% TY went down by 0.49%, going from 18.75% to 18.26% Trap went down by 0.48%, going from 26.63% to 26.15% Hydra went down by 0.42%, going from 92.68% to 92.26% Lilbow went down by 0.36%, going from 14.9% to 14.54% ForGG went down by 0.33%, going from 16.62% to 16.29% Dear went down by 0.3%, going from 10.32% to 10.02% Polt went down by 0.3%, going from 96.51% to 96.21% MyuNgSiK went down by 0.3%, going from 9.02% to 8.72% GuMiho went down by 0.28%, going from 8.28% to 8.01% HyuN went down by 0.27%, going from 9.76% to 9.49% Solar went down by 0.25%, going from 9.37% to 9.12% Soulkey went down by 0.25%, going from 5.42% to 5.17% Bbyong went down by 0.22%, going from 7.25% to 7.03% StarDust went down by 0.21%, going from 7.29% to 7.09% MarineLorD went down by 0.21%, going from 7.41% to 7.2% Curious went down by 0.18%, going from 5.32% to 5.14% soO went down by 0.17%, going from 5.63% to 5.46% San went down by 0.13%, going from 4.06% to 3.93% TRUE went down by 0.12%, going from 3.11% to 2.99% TLO went down by 0.11%, going from 3.26% to 3.15%
Branch #2073 Biggest Winners Stats went up by 0.53%, going from 40.75% to 41.29% FanTaSy went up by 0.52%, going from 41.09% to 41.61% Rogue went up by 0.5%, going from 67.35% to 67.85% Zest went up by 0.47%, going from 69.25% to 69.72% Dark went up by 0.44%, going from 65.35% to 65.78% sOs went up by 0.43%, going from 37.13% to 37.56% Rain went up by 0.38%, going from 99.62% to 99.99% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
INnoVation went up by 0.34%, going from 31.69% to 32.04% Bunny went up by 0.31%, going from 32.14% to 32.45% Snute went up by 0.3%, going from 27.14% to 27.44% Jaedong went up by 0.3%, going from 27.79% to 28.09% TY went up by 0.27%, going from 18.75% to 19.01% Trap went up by 0.26%, going from 26.63% to 26.89% Hydra went up by 0.23%, going from 92.68% to 92.91% Lilbow went up by 0.2%, going from 14.9% to 15.09% ForGG went up by 0.18%, going from 16.62% to 16.8% Dear went up by 0.16%, going from 10.32% to 10.49% Polt went up by 0.16%, going from 96.51% to 96.67% MyuNgSiK went up by 0.16%, going from 9.02% to 9.18% GuMiho went up by 0.15%, going from 8.28% to 8.43% HyuN went up by 0.15%, going from 9.76% to 9.9% Solar went up by 0.14%, going from 9.37% to 9.51% Soulkey went up by 0.13%, going from 5.42% to 5.55% Bbyong went up by 0.12%, going from 7.25% to 7.37% StarDust went up by 0.11%, going from 7.29% to 7.41% MarineLorD went up by 0.11%, going from 7.41% to 7.52%
Biggest Losers ByuL went down by 7.86%, going from 84.28% to 76.43%
It feels so comforting to hear Tasteless say that we should study Rain if we want to ladder. It's like having a dad who is constantly repeating the same familiar advice over the years.
On June 28 2015 15:30 Seeker wrote: For anyone who wants to watch the Korean stream, go to NAVER Sports, they're broadcasting it there. No region block like f*ing GOM is doing...
On June 28 2015 15:30 Seeker wrote: For anyone who wants to watch the Korean stream, go to NAVER Sports, they're broadcasting it there. No region block like f*ing GOM is doing...
On June 28 2015 15:30 Seeker wrote: For anyone who wants to watch the Korean stream, go to NAVER Sports, they're broadcasting it there. No region block like f*ing GOM is doing...
Mildly surprised by how overwhelmingly people favour Rain. These players are very evenly matched, and I'd favour ByuL over Rain. People really weight history heavily.
On June 28 2015 15:30 Seeker wrote: For anyone who wants to watch the Korean stream, go to NAVER Sports, they're broadcasting it there. No region block like f*ing GOM is doing...
Care to give some more detailed instructions ?
I would also like those.
Esports is the last one from the bar on the top, lost from there.
On June 28 2015 15:30 Seeker wrote: For anyone who wants to watch the Korean stream, go to NAVER Sports, they're broadcasting it there. No region block like f*ing GOM is doing...
On June 28 2015 15:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Mildly surprised by how overwhelmingly people favour Rain. These players are very evenly matched, and I'd favour ByuL over Rain. People really weight history heavily.
People just assume Protoss will beat Zerg after the Swarm Host nerf. Not saying I agree, but it's a common sentiment.
Rain and Byul are playing so on point today, game one has been fantastic (not like Rain vs Curious Game 1 on Deadwing where it was Turtle, turtle, get maxed into one huge fight into win...)
On June 28 2015 15:55 MiniFotToss wrote: Rain and Byul are playing so on point today, game one has been fantastic (not like Rain vs Curious Game 1 on Deadwing where it was Turtle, turtle, get maxed into one huge fight into win...)
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Byul just make too much infestor (probably transtionning into T3 + infestor), to handle the timing. A few infestor + more hydra would have been better.
I've got to admit that for the last few months I haven't been able to stay up to watch much Korean Starcraft, and when I would watch VODs I would focus a lot on my favorite Terran players, but...
The "vs. Protoss" matchups have been so much more interesting and more like BW with multiple engagements across the map and much less 1-a deathballing than I remember. Just like Stork's games the other day, I'm having a TON of fun watching already and I'm really happily surprised by what I'm seeing! Crazy engagements, key snipes, non-stop micro...
On June 28 2015 15:59 Wombat_NI wrote: Am I retarded or was that game pretty damn high level and anything other than sloppy? At least what I saw (granted not all of it)
Byul's tech choices were bizarre, and shouldn't have let Rain kill so much with the DTs and blink stalkers. Overall though his play was pretty high quality, with a few very important slip ups.
On June 28 2015 16:01 Lunareste wrote: I've got to admit that for the last few months I haven't been able to stay up to watch much Korean Starcraft, and when I would watch VODs I would focus a lot on my favorite Terran players, but...
The "vs. Protoss" matchups have been so much more interesting and more like BW with multiple engagements across the map and much less 1-a deathballing than I remember. Just like Stork's games the other day, I'm having a TON of fun watching already and I'm really happily surprised by what I'm seeing! Crazy engagements, key snipes, non-stop micro...
I fucking love Starcraft
Dunno if it's related to your observation but it seems like success as a Protoss recently is pretty directly related to how well you control blink stalkers. And Rain's control is amazing, sure Byul donated quite a few Vipers and Overseers but Rain is quite good.
On June 28 2015 16:01 Lunareste wrote: I've got to admit that for the last few months I haven't been able to stay up to watch much Korean Starcraft, and when I would watch VODs I would focus a lot on my favorite Terran players, but...
The "vs. Protoss" matchups have been so much more interesting and more like BW with multiple engagements across the map and much less 1-a deathballing than I remember. Just like Stork's games the other day, I'm having a TON of fun watching already and I'm really happily surprised by what I'm seeing! Crazy engagements, key snipes, non-stop micro...
I fucking love Starcraft
Dunno if it's related to your observation but it seems like success as a Protoss recently is pretty directly related to how well you control blink stalkers. And Rain's control is amazing, sure Byul donated quite a few Vipers and Overseers but Rain is quite good.
blink stalker sentries in pvz is the best micro to watch in sc2 for me. parting is soooooooooooo damn good at it
On June 28 2015 16:01 aRyuujin wrote: is that in base gateway a testament to the fear inflicted by the byul hatch? sure he doesn't do it much vs protoss but rogue showed that it's scary
I think a 13 or so FFE is stronger vs proxy hatches, but Byul going 3 hatch is probably a strong meta play based on his own reputation as a proxy hatcher.
On June 28 2015 15:59 Wombat_NI wrote: Am I retarded or was that game pretty damn high level and anything other than sloppy? At least what I saw (granted not all of it)
Byul's tech choices were bizarre, and shouldn't have let Rain kill so much with the DTs and blink stalkers. Overall though his play was pretty high quality, with a few very important slip ups.
I missed some of the early stuff, makes sense. The positioning at times, target firing, pulls, Rain's snipes precipitating the comeback etc were very impressive though, at least to me.
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On June 28 2015 16:01 Lunareste wrote: I've got to admit that for the last few months I haven't been able to stay up to watch much Korean Starcraft, and when I would watch VODs I would focus a lot on my favorite Terran players, but...
The "vs. Protoss" matchups have been so much more interesting and more like BW with multiple engagements across the map and much less 1-a deathballing than I remember. Just like Stork's games the other day, I'm having a TON of fun watching already and I'm really happily surprised by what I'm seeing! Crazy engagements, key snipes, non-stop micro...
I fucking love Starcraft
Dunno if it's related to your observation but it seems like success as a Protoss recently is pretty directly related to how well you control blink stalkers. And Rain's control is amazing, sure Byul donated quite a few Vipers and Overseers but Rain is quite good.
That's definitely true though. I was literally jaw-dropped by what Stork was doing the Kespa cup qualifiers the other night.
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he sends his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He knows early he must cut drone, and builds army asap, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
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On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he send his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He know early he must cut drone, and build army soon, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Yeah, Rain needed to hide the gateways if he wanted to have a chance of that build working. It seems that he had absolutely no confidence playing on that map
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he sends his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He knows early he must cut drone, and builds army asap, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Not optimal probably wasn't the right words to use. What I meant is that this all-in isn't in favour right now, since it isn't one of the better ones. For such all-ins getting scouted early is a death knell as you've said.
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he send his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He know early he must cut drone, and build army soon, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Yeah, Rain needed to hide the gateways if he wanted to have a chance of that build working. It seems that he had absolutely no confidence playing on that map
I think it's smart to do that sort of thing when you're up a series and just won in a big macro game. Byul will be twice as scared to do something like a spire rush or even ling/hydra openings now, even though he held.
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he sends his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He knows early he must cut drone, and builds army asap, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Not optimal probably wasn't the right words to use. What I meant is that this all-in isn't in favour right now, since it isn't one of the better ones. For such all-ins getting scouted early is a death knell as you've said.
On the other hand, if not scouted, this all-in is a freewin, but in this game it was scouted, so as a result ^^
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he send his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He know early he must cut drone, and build army soon, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Yeah, Rain needed to hide the gateways if he wanted to have a chance of that build working. It seems that he had absolutely no confidence playing on that map
I think it's smart to do that sort of thing when you're up a series and just won in a big macro game. Byul will be twice as scared to do something like a spire rush or even ling/hydra openings now, even though he held.
Sure. I don't disagree with the philosophy. Especially in a bo7 you have to be prepared to do something off-beat and less likely to work than straight macro to keep your opponent honest, thereby increasing your win rate overall. I didn't like that particular build much though.
On June 28 2015 16:06 Alucen-Will- wrote: So he was trying to metagame Byul into thinking he was playing a super defensive game and then go all-in?
That was very odd
I agree. That's an all-in that isn't optimal, but is intended to succeed through surprise. A gambit of sorts.
It's not this all-in isn't optimal, it just got scouted : Byul see 3 gates to the ramp when he send his ovie, and 2 on wall of the natural with second ovie. He know early he must cut drone, and build army soon, as a big gateway timing come. At his level, byul shouldn't really lose.
Yeah, Rain needed to hide the gateways if he wanted to have a chance of that build working. It seems that he had absolutely no confidence playing on that map
I think it's smart to do that sort of thing when you're up a series and just won in a big macro game. Byul will be twice as scared to do something like a spire rush or even ling/hydra openings now, even though he held.
Sure. I don't disagree with the philosophy. Especially in a bo7 you have to be prepared to do something off-beat and less likely to work than straight macro to keep your opponent honest, thereby increasing your win rate overall. I didn't like that particular build much though.
The fuck? This started already? TL calendar told me it starts in 13 hours.. and that was 9,5 hours ago T_T Apparently i'm too stupid to even fucking read
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On June 28 2015 16:33 Caihead wrote: this immortal high templar style is interesting
I think it makes for a lot of fun back and forth vs roach-hydra-viper, but it also seems as if Zerg doesn't have any great solutions vs it
BL timing or die trying. I like this meta a lot, but I kinda feel that if you are playing at top3 in the world level, you can't hope to win ZvP without tricks.
On June 28 2015 16:35 BlackCompany wrote: The fuck? This started already? TL calendar told me it starts in 13 hours.. and that was 9,5 hours ago T_T Apparently i'm too stupid to even fucking read
Were you on a page you didn't refresh for a few hours, e.g. the WCS stream? <.<
On June 28 2015 16:33 Caihead wrote: this immortal high templar style is interesting
I think it makes for a lot of fun back and forth vs roach-hydra-viper, but it also seems as if Zerg doesn't have any great solutions vs it
BL timing or die trying. I like this meta a lot, but I kinda feel that if you are playing at top3 in the world level, you can't hope to win ZvP without tricks.
On June 28 2015 16:35 BlackCompany wrote: The fuck? This started already? TL calendar told me it starts in 13 hours.. and that was 9,5 hours ago T_T Apparently i'm too stupid to even fucking read
Were you on a page you didn't refresh for a few hours, e.g. the WCS stream? <.<
Also ByuL is there with the cursed shirt.
I have no idea but i knoe i fucked up big time :/ Well shit, i'll hope this goes to G7 because i can only watch for like 10 mins before being gone for an hour.. Ah well, i hope it's gonne be good games for you guys
On June 28 2015 16:22 Alucen-Will- wrote: What is the value in building your gateway on the lowground and building your core at the ramp?...
Core can't get sniped by all ins which can keep you alive. Losing the option to warp sentries or stalkers loses games more than anything else.
If Byul opens 14/14 or 8 pool is it not a build order loss, though?
lowground gateway gets smashed by 14/14, dk bout early pools
The point of opening FFE or lowground gateway is to defend 14/14. I think it does depend on the width of the ramp/rush distance though
if it's gateway first on low ground, Zerg can pick off your gateway during the speedling all-in or (the worst) focus down the pylon before zealot comes out. Then just never let them take natural
What do you do if the twitch stream is behind your HD stream of choice? The gomtv.com stream is ~15 Blizzard seconds ahead and if you pause it and play it it just skips back to the current time.
On June 28 2015 16:41 Roadog wrote: What do you do if the twitch stream is behind your HD stream of choice? The gomtv.com stream is ~15 Blizzard seconds ahead and if you pause it and play it it just skips back to the current time.
On June 28 2015 16:41 Roadog wrote: What do you do if the twitch stream is behind your HD stream of choice? The gomtv.com stream is ~15 Blizzard seconds ahead and if you pause it and play it it just skips back to the current time.
you could try synching up with VLC, but I'm just watching with Korean cast
On June 28 2015 16:41 Roadog wrote: What do you do if the twitch stream is behind your HD stream of choice? The gomtv.com stream is ~15 Blizzard seconds ahead and if you pause it and play it it just skips back to the current time.
you could try synching up with VLC, but I'm just watching with Korean cast
But I can't fast-forward the twitch stream through VLC to catch up, only pause it to slow it down
I'll just go back to the Naver stream if there's no solution
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ByuL is starting to play sloppier and sloppier. Game 2 honestly felt like a bit of a BO win - although Rain went for a pretty smart build to salvage it, it was a pretty awful situation. Aside from that Rain's just playing stupidly well, while ByuL's starting to fall apart. I really love both these guys though, so I hope ByuL can recover in future seasons, but it ain't looking good for him tonight.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
So what you are saying is that he will start talking about a comeback? He can see it in his eyes.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Rain should now cannon rush him and steal his soul.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
The series was over on deadwing when byul lost with 170 to 100 supply and realized his race is horrible. Does not help that rain is playing well either.
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On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
I'll never forgive Wolf for saying that and then having to watch Classic take 4 games in a row against Stats.
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
GSL finals is where real men meet little boys who wanted to go pro.
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
the series against top wasn't that bad- especially that game with the nukes
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
I'll never forgive Wolf for saying that and then having to watch Classic take 4 games in a row against Stats.
The funny part about this is that Classic has come back before in rough situations where he looked down. For me most notable was his WCS Global Finals series against herO where he proxy gated
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
I'll never forgive Wolf for saying that and then having to watch Classic take 4 games in a row against Stats.
Maybe Wolf is secretly smart and was just setting up for the comeback?
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
it's a player who is clearly a tier above the other playing in a possibly broken race matchup. at least it beats teamkills.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
I'll never forgive Wolf for saying that and then having to watch Classic take 4 games in a row against Stats.
The funny part about this is that Classic has come back before in rough situations where he looked down. For me most notable was his WCS Global Finals series against herO where he proxy gated
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
He would squeeze in a "Look at his face!" somewhere in there
Don't forget "he's tiliting!"
this series is over i can see it in his eyes.. the look of a defeated man..
I'll never forgive Wolf for saying that and then having to watch Classic take 4 games in a row against Stats.
Maybe Wolf is secretly smart and was just setting up for the comeback?
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
it's a player who is clearly a tier above the other playing in a possibly broken race matchup. at least it beats teamkills.
Rain is a worthy winner of this tournament his play has been superb
I think the ro.4 and the final were probably two of his easiest games.
It would have been interesting to see how he faced up to another protoss player , his only pvp this whole tournament was a loss to sOs. I think parting or sOs would have made it a better game because I think only life would have a chance against Rain's PvZ right now.
On June 28 2015 16:54 KelsierSC wrote: Rain is a worthy winner of this tournament his play has been superb
I think the ro.4 and the final were probably two of his easiest games.
It would have been interesting to see how he faced up to another protoss player , his only pvp this whole tournament was a loss to sOs. I think parting or sOs would have made it a better game because I think only life would have a chance against Rain's PvZ right now.
his PvT has been so stellar. it's crazy because at the start of the year he was looking so unlike himself and losing to simple shit like widow mine drops. practice with flash and fantasy must have been great.
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
"Look at ByuL's hair! It's already accepted the loss!"
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
Kind how we needed to balance out soO vs Zest with all the other soO finals? Tho the ones vs Classic and Dear weren't this bad.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
"Look at ByuL's hair! It's already accepted the loss!"
"His hair is definitely on tilt! I can see it in his eyes!"
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
"Look at ByuL's hair! It's already accepted the loss!"
"His hair is definitely on tilt! I can see it in his eyes!"
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
Kind how we needed to balance out soO vs Zest with all the other soO finals? Tho the ones vs Classic and Dear weren't this bad.
I like how INnoVation and soO played a better series than their GSL finals in an IEM qualifier.
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
"Look at ByuL's hair! It's already accepted the loss!"
"His hair is definitely on tilt! I can see it in his eyes!"
On June 28 2015 16:46 Elentos wrote: At this point, Wolf would say: "This one's over. Look at ByuL, he's done! He's completely out of this, he'll never win this!"
well he wouldn't be wrong for once
the problem is that you're assuming he'd talk about byul and not hair
"Look at ByuL's hair! It's already accepted the loss!"
"His hair is definitely on tilt! I can see it in his eyes!"
Hahaha
You can make a pretty hilarious Wolf quotes bingo board and blend them together for even more laughs
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
Kind how we needed to balance out soO vs Zest with all the other soO finals? Tho the ones vs Classic and Dear weren't this bad.
I like how INnoVation and soO played a better series than their GSL finals in an IEM qualifier.
INnoVation vs Soulkey never forget, INno meching for the first time and showcasing thor-viking vs SK's sickening SH/muta. That game was orgasmic and it was in IEM qualies.
On June 28 2015 16:58 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think if Rain takes the 4-1 we can all make the valid conclusion that Cure > ByuL based on gsl results this season
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
Kind how we needed to balance out soO vs Zest with all the other soO finals? Tho the ones vs Classic and Dear weren't this bad.
I like how INnoVation and soO played a better series than their GSL finals in an IEM qualifier.
Well soO had his soul crushed into a thousand pieces a few days before the finals so that's not suprising. + qualifiers have the best games. Ever noticed that inno has a lot of awesome games in qualifiers? Soulkey vs inno Curious vs inno etc.
On June 28 2015 16:58 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think if Rain takes the 4-1 we can all make the valid conclusion that Cure > ByuL based on gsl results this season
the only games i could catch so far where Deadwing and Merry, and i have to say that Rain is looking strong. DTs, Viper Snips, Phenix, he is using it all.
On June 28 2015 16:47 Alucen-Will- wrote: Let's hope Byul finds it in his to take this series the full distance, how underwhelming it would be for this to be the last game
Most GSL finals are underwhelming.
This one is especially bad :D It's 2011 Mvp levels of bad finals.
Well PartinG vs Life was especially good by GSL final standards so we have to balance it out now.
Kind how we needed to balance out soO vs Zest with all the other soO finals? Tho the ones vs Classic and Dear weren't this bad.
I like how INnoVation and soO played a better series than their GSL finals in an IEM qualifier.
INnoVation vs Soulkey never forget, INno meching for the first time and showcasing thor-viking vs SK's sickening SH/muta. That game was orgasmic and it was in IEM qualies.
On June 28 2015 16:58 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think if Rain takes the 4-1 we can all make the valid conclusion that Cure > ByuL based on gsl results this season
On June 28 2015 16:58 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think if Rain takes the 4-1 we can all make the valid conclusion that Cure > ByuL based on gsl results this season
Shine > Cure
Shine > everyone
evil bows to nobody
Nydusing Flash never forget
my favorite nydus is hyvaa vs Fantasy, I feasted on the tears that day
On June 28 2015 16:01 Lunareste wrote: I've got to admit that for the last few months I haven't been able to stay up to watch much Korean Starcraft, and when I would watch VODs I would focus a lot on my favorite Terran players, but...
The "vs. Protoss" matchups have been so much more interesting and more like BW with multiple engagements across the map and much less 1-a deathballing than I remember. Just like Stork's games the other day, I'm having a TON of fun watching already and I'm really happily surprised by what I'm seeing! Crazy engagements, key snipes, non-stop micro...
I fucking love Starcraft
Dunno if it's related to your observation but it seems like success as a Protoss recently is pretty directly related to how well you control blink stalkers. And Rain's control is amazing, sure Byul donated quite a few Vipers and Overseers but Rain is quite good.
That's definitely true though. I was literally jaw-dropped by what Stork was doing the Kespa cup qualifiers the other night.
On June 28 2015 16:58 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think if Rain takes the 4-1 we can all make the valid conclusion that Cure > ByuL based on gsl results this season
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poor protoss players will always be discredited somehow if they have or can play like this, rain played well in some of the games though so congrats, very well deserved to finally win a gsl
Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Tsubbi wrote: poor protoss players will always be discredited somehow if they have or can play like this, rain played well in some of the games though so congrats, very well deserved to finally win a gsl
He will be discredited because he had an unworthy foe.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
On June 28 2015 17:06 Tsubbi wrote: poor protoss players will always be discredited somehow if they have or can play like this, rain played well in some of the games though so congrats, very well deserved to finally win a gsl
He will be discredited because he had an unworthy foe.
On June 28 2015 17:07 lastride wrote: lol seriously, you dont need to be a kespa progamer to win a gsl? They are talking like Rain came from poland or smth.. he was in SKT for like 5 years
i hope they are joking because rain was a pro broodwar player who got rookie of the year, picked up an all-kill, and played professional kespa starcraft since 2010... not to mention all the massive success he had on skt in sc2
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
if it was BW he would Byul would have died to + 1 chragelot timing instead. He overdroned a lot, I don't think it's the best example of force field bs
On June 28 2015 17:08 Jenia6109 wrote: 1. Play poorly on kespa team whole 2014 year 2. Go to foreign team to play in relax and play in foreign tournaments 3. ... 4. Profit.
Parting too. Surprising like Parting went god mode after leaving SKT
On June 28 2015 17:07 lastride wrote: lol seriously, you dont need to be a kespa progamer to win a gsl? They are talking like Rain came from poland or smth.. he was in SKT for like 5 years
Yeah and soo and life was helping him out. He only did not have coach's help, but even that does not necessarily help.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
saved his ass? that was glorious and amazing tactical play. he sniped the overseers and used forcefields and DTs to even it up. then he had some of the sickest viper snipes.
rain is clearly a tier above byul who just had his bubble burst.
On June 28 2015 17:08 Jenia6109 wrote: 1. Play poorly on kespa team whole 2014 year 2. Go to foreign team to play in relax and play in foreign tournaments 3. ... 4. Profit.
Parting too. Surprising like Parting went god mode after leaving SKT
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
Haha whine some more. Byul didn't start unit production early enough and fought in the worse place where 2 forcefields will splt his whole army.
Rain owned him hard. This reminds me of when Seed 4-0 or 4-1 MC.
On June 28 2015 17:07 lastride wrote: lol seriously, you dont need to be a kespa progamer to win a gsl? They are talking like Rain came from poland or smth.. he was in SKT for like 5 years
On June 28 2015 17:06 Tsubbi wrote: poor protoss players will always be discredited somehow if they have or can play like this, rain played well in some of the games though so congrats, very well deserved to finally win a gsl
He will be discredited because he had an unworthy foe.
Meh he beat worthy foes before the finals.
Too bad the finals is what everyone remembers Besides he shat on all the other foes too :D
On June 28 2015 17:07 lastride wrote: lol seriously, you dont need to be a kespa progamer to win a gsl? They are talking like Rain came from poland or smth.. he was in SKT for like 5 years
i hope they are joking because rain was a pro broodwar player who got rookie of the year, picked up an all-kill, and played professional kespa starcraft since 2010... not to mention all the massive success he had on skt in sc2
They said specifically you don't have to train in the KeSPA environment to be good enough to win GSL.
Well, Byul fucked it up. It's not like Rain did something unexpected like Classic's proxy tempests, Byul just crumbled to superior army control and timing attacks.
On June 28 2015 17:08 Jenia6109 wrote: 1. Play poorly on kespa team whole 2014 year 2. Go to foreign team to play in relax and play in foreign tournaments 3. ... 4. Profit.
Parting too. Surprising like Parting went god mode after leaving SKT
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Tsubbi wrote: poor protoss players will always be discredited somehow if they have or can play like this, rain played well in some of the games though so congrats, very well deserved to finally win a gsl
He will be discredited because he had an unworthy foe.
Meh he beat worthy foes before the finals.
Too bad the finals is what everyone remembers Besides he shat on all the other foes too :D
On June 28 2015 17:08 Jenia6109 wrote: 1. Play poorly on kespa team whole 2014 year 2. Go to foreign team to play in relax and play in foreign tournaments 3. ... 4. Profit.
Parting too. Surprising like Parting went god mode after leaving SKT
skt confirmed holding people back.
and yes i might be a hypocrite because i feel KT coaches are currently to blame for our underperforming players
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
there's no "3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus", roach/hydra/viper into BL is the only thing Zerg can do in the matchup
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
there's no "3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus", roach/hydra/viper into BL is the only thing Zerg can do in the matchup
econ timings are way different based on protoss builds
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
No protoss makes colo anymore in pvz
It's all stalker sentry and if that doesn't win they add templars
Damn the host is ripping into byul by reminding him of all the haters who said he wouldn't get this far.
Rain is like "shit, should I hug him or should I just stand here looking far away"...."hes stealing my show damn"..."shit I better say somethings about Byul or I'll look bad".
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
there's no "3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus", roach/hydra/viper into BL is the only thing Zerg can do in the matchup
Muta switch, ling hydra, roach burrow all-in, proxy hatch, ling ultra infestor, none of those exist huh.
On June 28 2015 17:12 dazed25 wrote: man this is some cruel shit to milk someone's sadness this way. it's why i hate those american idol type judge shows.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
there's no "3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus", roach/hydra/viper into BL is the only thing Zerg can do in the matchup
Muta switch, ling hydra, roach burrow all-in, proxy hatch, ling ultra infestor, none of those exist huh.
yeah you either do a meta all-in or play roach/hydra/viper in Korea, nothing else works vs +2 blink with fast 3rd, That's correct.
On June 28 2015 17:12 dazed25 wrote: man this is some cruel shit to milk someone's sadness this way. it's why i hate those american idol type judge shows.
i agree man. wtf. he's so sad, he's fucking breaking down on stage, any reasonable person would give him some time and get him the fuck off stage.. jesus
On June 28 2015 17:12 dazed25 wrote: man this is some cruel shit to milk someone's sadness this way. it's why i hate those american idol type judge shows.
i agree man. wtf. he's so sad, he's fucking breaking down on stage, any reasonable person would give him some time and get him the fuck off stage.. jesus
now imagine soO going through that 5 times in a year? jesus.
On June 28 2015 17:06 Gojira621 wrote: Ugh. Rain played insanely well, but a few dark templars saved his ass from an absolute game 1 defeat, and then from there it was just forcefields that made it impossible for byul to fight evenly or really even fight at all in the last couple of games. Just really tough to watch someone win by spamming a spell that gives you such a massive fucking advantage.
game 1 was without a doubt the best game of the series imp, those snipes were awesome
yeah the lack of AOE damage, and winning with just sick gateway play like that? there are very few people in the world that could do that - esp against an s-class zerg
Pretty sure Byul prepped 3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus all week and got meta gamed.
there's no "3 base roach hydra viper max against collosus", roach/hydra/viper into BL is the only thing Zerg can do in the matchup
Muta switch, ling hydra, roach burrow all-in, proxy hatch, ling ultra infestor, none of those exist huh.
yeah you either do a meta all-in or play roach/hydra/viper in Korea, nothing else works vs +2 blink with fast 3rd, That's correct.
That's at least 4-5 more strategies than Terrans have in TvP.
On June 28 2015 17:07 lastride wrote: lol seriously, you dont need to be a kespa progamer to win a gsl? They are talking like Rain came from poland or smth.. he was in SKT for like 5 years
On June 28 2015 17:12 dazed25 wrote: man this is some cruel shit to milk someone's sadness this way. it's why i hate those american idol type judge shows.
i agree man. wtf. he's so sad, he's fucking breaking down on stage, any reasonable person would give him some time and get him the fuck off stage.. jesus
now imagine soO going through that 5 times in a year? jesus.
I'll never forget his fidgeting on the stage during the last one, he just wanted to get off of that stage and get the fuck out of there
I'm pretty sure he'd have chosen to be ANYWHERE but there
On June 28 2015 17:17 ZackAttack wrote: All of you complaining about plus 2 blink stalker sentry have no idea how difficult it is to win with.
yeah blink stalkers and forcefields look broken in the hands of gods like PartinG and Rain. i feel like the other two races should have units with the micro potential of blink stalkers (especially zerg).
On June 28 2015 17:17 ZackAttack wrote: All of you complaining about plus 2 blink stalker sentry have no idea how difficult it is to win with.
yeah blink stalkers and forcefields look broken in the hands of gods like PartinG and Rain. i feel like the other two races should have units with the micro potential of blink stalkers (especially zerg).
burrow can perform like blink sometimes, when its done well
On June 28 2015 17:17 ZackAttack wrote: All of you complaining about plus 2 blink stalker sentry have no idea how difficult it is to win with.
yeah blink stalkers and forcefields look broken in the hands of gods like PartinG and Rain. i feel like the other two races should have units with the micro potential of blink stalkers (especially zerg).
zerg has very little micro potential tbh. Really the only micro there is is splitting vs widowmines if you have less than 1k apm (aka are a human)
Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
I think people were a bit underwhelmed to say the least about this finals considering how good Life/PartinG was.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
240p for anyone not willing to shell out $8 happened
Rain played excellent. Truly deserving that win. Just watching how he approached those games was truly impressive to watch. Great finals, way better than the SSL with Classics all-ins and Runnre type production. GSL did very well this season and the casting was about as good as you could ever ask for. Well done.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Im not even lying. I set up an alarm clock to watch the finals, but when i woke up i remembered the thing about 120p quality and stayed in bed.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Ofc. Naturally. That is why the live report thread got only 25 pages instead of 300 pages.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 50 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I remember when I'd hit refresh and see 5 pages worth of posts made within a minute during an exciting part of a game. I highly doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game to that level but I would love to be wrong.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
240p for anyone not willing to shell out $8 happened
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
i really feel that they need to revamp the calendar. it's so hard to actually find SC2 games between all the CSGO events. maybe have some different font or highlight for the bigger events. more articles and an earlier game thread would have been great as well.
i just hope we can avoid that fatalist attitude about sc2 that is prevalent everywhere else. even if it becomes (already is) a niche esport i will continue to enjoy it as long as there are quality players.
Anyway since the day (in ro16 I think) Artosis said Rain couldn't win because he was not in the KeSPA uber training environment anymore, I knew Rain's chances were quite solid :D
i think a big part why it didn't get that many views was that EU people had to stay up late yesterday to watch all of WCS and most of them (like me, even though i am a gsl sub) rather slept this morning than woke up at 8
On June 28 2015 19:18 SharkStarcraft wrote: i think a big part why it didn't get that many views was that EU people had to stay up late yesterday to watch all of WCS and most of them (like me, even though i am a gsl sub) rather slept this morning than woke up at 8
Australia is part of Europe?
That one never gets old... Well, I agree. But the other Users also already pointed it out: I wouldn't have turned on the stream to see some blurry something and have bad sound. And I am overall not interested in PvZ, as that was the only thing I saw all 2014 (besides PvP)
On June 28 2015 19:18 SharkStarcraft wrote: i think a big part why it didn't get that many views was that EU people had to stay up late yesterday to watch all of WCS and most of them (like me, even though i am a gsl sub) rather slept this morning than woke up at 8
On June 28 2015 19:18 SharkStarcraft wrote: i think a big part why it didn't get that many views was that EU people had to stay up late yesterday to watch all of WCS and most of them (like me, even though i am a gsl sub) rather slept this morning than woke up at 8
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
The number of viewers/ size of LR threads has obviously gone down. SC2 is a niche game with niche viewership. I dunno why you guys are so defensive about it. The evidence is clear as day. State of the Game hasn't been on the air in years. That should tell you what the state of the game is. GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then. People complained because they cared, but blizzard didn't. Hots briefly revived the game but it had already lost massive viewership. Momentum is very important, and Sc2 lost it with a small increase to queen range. Its unfortunate, because TvZ is once again beautiful to watch. Anyway, the lack of interest in SC2 versus LOL and DOTA2 shouldn't take away one's enjoyment of the game. Hopefully sc2 still has enough interest to provide a few more years of entertainment.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
The number of viewers/ size of LR threads has obviously gone down. SC2 is a niche game with niche viewership. I dunno why you guys are so defensive about it. The evidence is clear as day. State of the Game hasn't been on the air in years. That should tell you what the state of the game is. GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then. People complained because they cared, but blizzard didn't. Hots briefly revived the game but it had already lost massive viewership. Momentum is very important, and Sc2 lost it with a small increase to queen range. Its unfortunate, because TvZ is once again beautiful to watch. Anyway, the lack of interest in SC2 versus LOL and DOTA2 shouldn't take away one's enjoyment of the game. Hopefully sc2 still has enough interest to provide a few more years of entertainment.
It never ceases to surprise me how the queen buff is the root of alk evil and the reason for everything.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
The number of viewers/ size of LR threads has obviously gone down. SC2 is a niche game with niche viewership. I dunno why you guys are so defensive about it. The evidence is clear as day. State of the Game hasn't been on the air in years. That should tell you what the state of the game is. GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then. People complained because they cared, but blizzard didn't. Hots briefly revived the game but it had already lost massive viewership. Momentum is very important, and Sc2 lost it with a small increase to queen range. Its unfortunate, because TvZ is once again beautiful to watch. Anyway, the lack of interest in SC2 versus LOL and DOTA2 shouldn't take away one's enjoyment of the game. Hopefully sc2 still has enough interest to provide a few more years of entertainment.
It never ceases to surprise me how the queen buff is the root of alk evil and the reason for everything.
It's not like hots Introduced the swarm host, and the oracle, turned zvt into a battle of pure mechanics, gave protoss 600 all in timings with the aid of the one click defense core and to top it off made mass raven viable. Nope all of that was due to queen patch.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
The number of viewers/ size of LR threads has obviously gone down. SC2 is a niche game with niche viewership. I dunno why you guys are so defensive about it. The evidence is clear as day. State of the Game hasn't been on the air in years. That should tell you what the state of the game is. GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then. People complained because they cared, but blizzard didn't. Hots briefly revived the game but it had already lost massive viewership. Momentum is very important, and Sc2 lost it with a small increase to queen range. Its unfortunate, because TvZ is once again beautiful to watch. Anyway, the lack of interest in SC2 versus LOL and DOTA2 shouldn't take away one's enjoyment of the game. Hopefully sc2 still has enough interest to provide a few more years of entertainment.
Ofc the size of LRs have gone down. I'm just saying that 25 pages for a GSL final is not representative of the reality, which is closer to the 120 pages of PartinG vs Life
On June 28 2015 17:31 Havik_ wrote: Rain! Yes! I've been out of the scene for a while, but I love seeing Protoss players I remember from a little while back still kicking butt! I remember Rain becoming my favorite player to watch. Good for him!
I'm kinda sad this thread is only 25 pages though. What happened to the massive amounts of hype for a GSL final like back in the day
Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
how are people surprised this topic was dead. pvz atm is in a really unenjoyable state where its either the zerg wins with an allin or the protoss wins (from what i've seen). im not saying imbalanced, just unenjoyable for me. apart from that its the weekend of wcs and i was up til like 5 am my time and couldnt be arsed to wake up early for this. and then rain and byul for me at least are not very interesting players.
these are just my opinions but im quite sure many can agree with at least in 1 of those points. parting vs life was also pvz but the matchup was more fun back in the old patch and parting and life are really micro intensive and exciting players whereas byul and rain are more slow paced.
On June 28 2015 17:40 Seeker wrote: [quote] Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
About the topic if competetive sc2 is slowly declining: Yes it is absolutely. You just have to watch the numbers for any sc2 tournament. The thing is: As long as there are tournaments and we as fans can enjoy the gameplay it's how it is, no need look at other games and be worried. I have to say that my personal interest went down a lot too, i didn't watch a single korean tournament final in ages, last year i didn't miss any final i think. Kinda hyped for wcs today though
I know balance talk isnt allowed and I guess I understand why. Still I wonder if these pro players themselves think the game is perfectly fine, when they are truly honest. They probably(?) get shut down the same as the community though when it comes to complaining. To me game 1 was a joke unfortunately I love the game to much to have stopped watching afterwards... Either way Rain played perfect and Im happy for him achieving this after all this time.
On June 28 2015 22:32 loko822 wrote: I know balance talk isnt allowed and I guess I understand why. Still I wonder if these pro players themselves think the game is perfectly fine, when they are truly honest. They probably(?) get shut down the same as the community though when it comes to complaining. To me game 1 was a joke unfortunately I love the game to much to have stopped watching afterwards... Either way Rain played perfect and Im happy for him achieving this after all this time.
They balance whine from time to time too. (rains' infamous terran > broodlord infestor during blink era)
People got to stop worrying so much about the number of replies in an LR thread on a gaming forum and try to enjoy the games. Face it - LR thread activity will likely never reach the levels that they did back in 2011. Years go by, and fans move onto different interests, and only the hardcore fanbase remains.
On June 28 2015 17:40 Seeker wrote: [quote] Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Actually...just from eyeballing it, terran had a similar numbers of premier (granted not necessarily major or minor) tournament wins and the same number of mirrors as protoss, including season three where WCS am and eu were both tvts and innovation won the gsl. (Granted, the previous season all protoss won, but there was only one pvp, and it was quite good iirc)
I'm not denying that the blink era occurred, but terran then went on to have a similar period of dominance where few protoss won premier tournaments. Actually...zerg really got the short end of the stick here.
That being said, it is unfortunate that this finsls was not as good as the previous finals...which I found a bit surprising given byul's performance this last little while, though I am happy that Rain finally won something.
On June 28 2015 17:40 Seeker wrote: [quote] Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
How could you possibly think that answers my post in any way?
That's it, CJ Entus coaches simply SUCK at prepping their players for a Bo7. We've seen it a thousand times with herO and now we're seeing it with Byul, who was considered possibly the best zerg in the world going into this.
Getting lucky in Proleague with SkyHigh happening to face zerg on Vaani Research Station a few weeks in a row is nice and all, but seriously, get a ****ing clue about Bo7s coach Park.
On June 28 2015 17:42 Elentos wrote: [quote] And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Hey atleast terran was able to win before zerg got there. If terran goes mech zerg just has to leave the game now.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Its actually 3 main reasons.
1.) Terran Dominance had a diverse set of styles. So it was not one comp, build, or unit that was considered too strong--there was just a shit tonne of them.
2.) Foreign invites was at an all time high. Foreigners were seeded constantly into the GSL with Huk, Idra, Jinro, Select, Ret, etc... constantly in the midst creating lots of excitement from foreign fans.
3.) Nerfbat swings were near constant. How can one complain when nerfs kept getting thrown at Terran over and over and over and yet MVP still found a way to be OP.
Had those three things been true for the Broodfestor era or even the Toss Era then things would have been different. Instead "wait till HotS" was the answer to Broodfestor.
On June 28 2015 18:13 Elentos wrote: [quote] InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Its actually 3 main reasons.
1.) Terran Dominance had a diverse set of styles. So it was not one comp, build, or unit that was considered too strong--there was just a shit tonne of them.
2.) Foreign invites was at an all time high. Foreigners were seeded constantly into the GSL with Huk, Idra, Jinro, Select, Ret, etc... constantly in the midst creating lots of excitement from foreign fans.
3.) Nerfbat swings were near constant. How can one complain when nerfs kept getting thrown at Terran over and over and over and yet MVP still found a way to be OP.
Had those three things been true for the Broodfestor era or even the Toss Era then things would have been different. Instead "wait till HotS" was the answer to Broodfestor.
To talk about how terrans were constantly nerfed and it was so hard to win for Mvp is really disingenuous when you consider the 20 player peak terran had in october 2011, a long time after the start of the reign. The 1-1-1 was quite a constant in TvP, so the diversity you talk about reminds me of the diversity of going mutalisks in 2012 PvZ once in a while. But you were probably talking about TvZ, the match-up that the community cares about the most, which brings me back to my original point: this is why I'm glad that the community isn't in charge of the game.
On June 28 2015 18:16 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Its actually 3 main reasons.
1.) Terran Dominance had a diverse set of styles. So it was not one comp, build, or unit that was considered too strong--there was just a shit tonne of them.
2.) Foreign invites was at an all time high. Foreigners were seeded constantly into the GSL with Huk, Idra, Jinro, Select, Ret, etc... constantly in the midst creating lots of excitement from foreign fans.
3.) Nerfbat swings were near constant. How can one complain when nerfs kept getting thrown at Terran over and over and over and yet MVP still found a way to be OP.
Had those three things been true for the Broodfestor era or even the Toss Era then things would have been different. Instead "wait till HotS" was the answer to Broodfestor.
To talk about how terrans were constantly nerfed and it was so hard to win for Mvp is really disingenuous when you consider the 20 player peak terran had in october 2011, a long time after the start of the reign. The 1-1-1 was quite a constant in TvP, so the diversity you talk about reminds me of the diversity of going mutalisks in 2012 PvZ once in a while. But you were probably talking about TvZ, the match-up that the community cares about the most, which brings me back to my original point: this is why I'm glad that the community isn't in charge of the game.
Lol
First off--I was pointing out why the community doesn't point out the Terran dominance, not that they shouldn't. But it's harder to complain when things like nerfs were given to their buildings, units, spells, and stats over and over again over the course of years. So much so, that community support to "wait" for an Infestor nerf came specifically with the caveat of "they nerfed snipe too quickly, let's wait for them to adapt."
Second off--Puma was the only Terran consistently winning with the 1-1-1 at that time with most pros favoring MKP's and Bomber's 1rax FE into a 10 minute marine/medivac push. And while some people preferred opening banshee into 1-1-1, others preferred the Hellion Drop into 1-1-1. Assuming the blue flame drop into marauder push (after you force stalkers with blue flames) was not your cup of tea. And that's only talking about the boring builds in TvP at the time. You get weirder if you include ghost timings, cc first into MMM, and Thorzain's Thor push that had to be nerfed by blizzard.
Then you add the variety from the other two matches and it's obvious you didn't actual watch those games.
Even then, this doesn't mean Terran era shouldn't be brought up--but there's a reason why they can't just point at a build/unit/strat that was OP since there was a lot of styles.
Third off--the Terran reign started in 2010 as is evident by te fact that there were only 10 or so non-terrains who were even competitive as top players at the time. Sure Zerg won the first two GSLs and MC won the 3rd. But no one who actually watched the game at that time would believe you if you said that Terran wasn't dominating.
On June 29 2015 01:19 Vasoline73 wrote: Avalon MSL Finals thread had more pages, was a best of 5, ZvZ, and had Calm/Kwanro in it! SC2 dead game!
But... it doesn't really matter. I would have watched these games but was out drinking -___-.
I've been hearing people say SC2 is dying for years and I've always laughed at it because there's still a large player base and lots of tournaments. I do have to start wondering if there is even a nugget of truth to this death talk though at this point. People don't seem that thrilled about LOTV (I'm not excited by what I've heard thus far either) and a revival in Korea seems very unlikely. IDK
On June 28 2015 18:33 NasusAndDraven wrote: [quote]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then.
Terran can be ridic good for over a year and the game is all fine and dandy, but any kind of domination period for another race results in a dead game and the community being killed. This is basically the entire reason why I'd never trust TL to create my strategy game over Blizzard.
lets just always refer to 2010, where T was still good because the game just came out and was inbalanced and not figured out yet, but blizzard provided patch after patch so the game changes before the meta adapts, leading to the nerfing of Terran into the ground at the end of WoL. BLord Winfestor was fun to watch every game, right? And I hope you are not refering to 2014, which really was the year of PvPvPvP and sometimes PvZ.
Oh and not to mention Taeja, who ruined a perfect Protoss year by having his perfect tournament run. And Flash. His one tournament win had to be during the period only protosses won...
Why is it okay to refer to broodlord era and not to the periods of terran dominance?
It's fine to refer to the periods of terran dominance, but regardless of how imba terran was, it was never nearly as pls-god-kill-me-now to watch it as it was to watch zergs play broodlord infestor and that's honestly the most important thing, I am one of those avid followers that stopped pretty much everything sc2 related during that era.
Its actually 3 main reasons.
1.) Terran Dominance had a diverse set of styles. So it was not one comp, build, or unit that was considered too strong--there was just a shit tonne of them.
2.) Foreign invites was at an all time high. Foreigners were seeded constantly into the GSL with Huk, Idra, Jinro, Select, Ret, etc... constantly in the midst creating lots of excitement from foreign fans.
3.) Nerfbat swings were near constant. How can one complain when nerfs kept getting thrown at Terran over and over and over and yet MVP still found a way to be OP.
Had those three things been true for the Broodfestor era or even the Toss Era then things would have been different. Instead "wait till HotS" was the answer to Broodfestor.
To talk about how terrans were constantly nerfed and it was so hard to win for Mvp is really disingenuous when you consider the 20 player peak terran had in october 2011, a long time after the start of the reign. The 1-1-1 was quite a constant in TvP, so the diversity you talk about reminds me of the diversity of going mutalisks in 2012 PvZ once in a while. But you were probably talking about TvZ, the match-up that the community cares about the most, which brings me back to my original point: this is why I'm glad that the community isn't in charge of the game.
Lol
First off--I was pointing out why the community doesn't point out the Terran dominance, not that they shouldn't. But it's harder to complain when things like nerfs were given to their buildings, units, spells, and stats over and over again over the course of years. So much so, that community support to "wait" for an Infestor nerf came specifically with the caveat of "they nerfed snipe too quickly, let's wait for them to adapt."
Second off--Puma was the only Terran consistently winning with the 1-1-1 at that time with most pros favoring MKP's and Bomber's 1rax FE into a 10 minute marine/medivac push. And while some people preferred opening banshee into 1-1-1, others preferred the Hellion Drop into 1-1-1. Assuming the blue flame drop into marauder push (after you force stalkers with blue flames) was not your cup of tea. And that's only talking about the boring builds in TvP at the time. You get weirder if you include ghost timings, cc first into MMM, and Thorzain's Thor push that had to be nerfed by blizzard.
Then you add the variety from the other two matches and it's obvious you didn't actual watch those games.
Even then, this doesn't mean Terran era shouldn't be brought up--but there's a reason why they can't just point at a build/unit/strat that was OP since there was a lot of styles.
Third off--the Terran reign started in 2010 as is evident by te fact that there were only 10 or so non-terrains who were even competitive as top players at the time. Sure Zerg won the first two GSLs and MC won the 3rd. But no one who actually watched the game at that time would believe you if you said that Terran wasn't dominating.
I know what you were doing. I just disagreed with you that those were the reasons why.
I literally watched every single one of those games. I watched them during the Broodlord Infestor era when I started getting interested in esports. I have a collector's mindset and so I went back in time and watched every single one of them, in a row, every night, before going to sleep. That you don't think 1-1-1 was prevalent tells me you were the one who skipped some of the watching; Mvp is the only terran who I don't remember doing a lot of 1-1-1 (actually I only remember him doing the one he lost on Crossfire after the range buff). But that is a factual claim, we just need some stats on that, I can do that next week-end if you want.
To top it off, the situation you describe is similar to protoss in 2014. It wasn't necessarily the blink all-in that was problematic, it was the capacity to go for several really strong all-ins, and to transition easily off of them if the terran was prepared. A game in which the terran dies to a blink all-in looks very different from a game in which the terran dies because he prepared too much against blink and got behind. Somehow that didn't make the community any more forgiving.
For the rest, I'm not really interested in those discussions. I'm fine with any era being brought up or not brought up. I don't think terrans are less deserving for their wins in 2011 and I don't think Sniper is less deserving for winning in 2012, or whichever protoss you want to mention in 2014. I don't really care, the conditions of the game were clear for every player involved, they were in the tournaments regardless, so the tournaments are valid. I'm reacting to the notion that a period of zerg dominance kills a game that previously had a period of terran dominance in which viewership was thriving. This isn't a neutral observation. It tells me something. It should tell most people the same.
Terran dominance was clearly better for the game than Zerg dominance, because TvT was fun to watch and ZvZ was boring. Obviously that's just my opinion but I think most people felt that way. TvT felt like a chess match, ZvZ felt like Roach/Hydra balls running into each other, sometimes with Infestors throwing fungals into the fray. The only fun part of ZvZ were the intense Ling/Baneling micro battles that sometimes happened in the earlier parts of the game.
On June 28 2015 17:40 Seeker wrote: [quote] Thread came up AFTER the finals had started. There was no hype generated whatsoever. Also, the games were not that great apart from game one. And there's also the fact that I don't think people were really all that psyched about Rain vs ByuL.
And it was pretty short so naturally the thread won't be that long.
Eh, Inca vs Nestea was a 4-0 and that reached well over 200 pages. Granted, that was after the thread was up for 4 days but I'd be quite surprised to see this thread even reach 35 pages in the next week. I'm not one those "lol ded gaem" people but it's pretty clear to me that competitive SC2 is well into its waning years. I doubt LotV will be able to substantially revive interest in the game but I would love to be wrong.
InCa vs NesTea was the most ludicrous thing the world had ever seen. This was one sided, one player was clearly superior to the other and it wasn't very good or fun in the InCa way. The season 1 finals reached over 120 pages by the way as one of the best GSL finals in ages.
The S2SL finals had the same score as this and twice the pages just a week ago, but it was far more enjoyable than this. So series length and series quality influence LR thread size.
Stream quality, casters quality, schedule (both day and hour) influence the size of LR threads too. [e : as well as player hype ofc, but I'd say Rain vs ByuL was about as hype as Dream vs Classic, perhaps even more hype]
Ok so Havik_ said he has been out for a while and sad to see only 25pages, I can just assume he remembers the days better when sc2 was peaking when he says "back in the day". Now I dont know how new you kids you are to the scene, but AFAIK since the GSL march 2011 thread got 350 pages, every single GSL final got atleast 200pages with average being around 300, until late 2012. You cant really compare the difference with those points.
Well I kinda fail to see your point. I dunno exactly when did WCS finish yesterday, but I'd guess it was between 1 or 2 AM CEST, which means that this final was only 6 to 7 hours later. Since due to the timezones I'd guess most of the foreign viewers today were Europeans, that kinda explains less foreign viewers, and even more so less people in the LR. To that, add shit stream quality, apparently bad games (didn't see them), not a lot of hype (Rain and ByuL aren't PartinG and Life in the public's eyes), shit coverage by TL (preview up 4 hours before... LR thread created after the games started... No visible countdown on the banner or something...), bad exposure due to WCS being the same weekend...
The number of viewers/ size of LR threads has obviously gone down. SC2 is a niche game with niche viewership. I dunno why you guys are so defensive about it. The evidence is clear as day. State of the Game hasn't been on the air in years. That should tell you what the state of the game is. GGlord winfestor killed sc2. People were banned for rightfully complaining about it in LR threads. Broodling vs broodling fights in the final WOL GSL was the absolute rock bottom. Eventually, TL realized that these people were correct, and even the writers called out how terrible it was. But it was too late by then. People complained because they cared, but blizzard didn't. Hots briefly revived the game but it had already lost massive viewership. Momentum is very important, and Sc2 lost it with a small increase to queen range. Its unfortunate, because TvZ is once again beautiful to watch. Anyway, the lack of interest in SC2 versus LOL and DOTA2 shouldn't take away one's enjoyment of the game. Hopefully sc2 still has enough interest to provide a few more years of entertainment.
It never ceases to surprise me how the queen buff is the root of alk evil and the reason for everything.
It's not like hots Introduced the swarm host, and the oracle, turned zvt into a battle of pure mechanics, gave protoss 600 all in timings with the aid of the one click defense core and to top it off made mass raven viable. Nope all of that was due to queen patch.
Dude by the time HOTS came out, SC2 viewership had already declined. I believe by then NASL and IPL had both died, while MLG would shortly drop SC2 altogether. So it didn't matter about the subsequent balance patches, because gglord winfestor singlehandedly pretty much ruined everything. TvZ was enjoyable to watch before then. Yeah the blink era was bad, because by then everyone had moved on to LOL and DOTA2.
And to the other guy complaining about other periods of dominance. The era of terran dominance at the start wasn't so bad because at least terran was fun to watch and took skill. ZvZ broodlord vs broodlord was awful. TvT was like a chess match with lots of careful positioning. Terrans winning was far more entertaining than Zerg winning. I'm not a terran player btw, I just watch the game. I played protoss and yeah they are a poorly designed race. But that's a topic for another day. And did it ever get so bad that foreign Terrans could consistently beat korean zergs during the first few seasons of WOL? I don't think so. But the reverse was true during gglord/winfestor. And of course anyone who cried patchzerg got banned, even though it was the truth. Stephano and Scarlett were the only legit good foreigner zerg, the rest just abused winfestor/gglord (although Scarlett definitely did too, but she showed she was just playing to win and had actual skill to continue winning even after the nerfs). So yeah queen range was the worst.
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