TooDming vs StarDust Game 1 TooDming vs StarDust Game 2 TooDming vs StarDust Game 3 ForGG vs Sen Game 1 ForGG vs Sen Game 2 ForGG vs Sen Game 3 Losers Match Game 1 Losers Match Game 2 Losers Match Game 3 Winners Match Game 1 Winners Match Game 2 Winners Match Game 3 Final Match Game 1 Final Match Game 2 Final Match Game 3
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
31%
★★★ - Good game (5)
38%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
23%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
44%
★★★ - Good game (5)
56%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★ - Good game (2)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (5)
36%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (7)
50%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
33%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
22%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
56%
★★★ - Good game (2)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★★★ - Good game (1)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
100%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
100%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
1 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (11)
65%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (6)
35%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
11%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
21%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (12)
63%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★★★ - Good game (4)
44%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
38%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
67%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (1)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
StarDust is at 1.75% Blizzcon Chances, with a 55.24% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 2.79%, or 0.47% if they lose. ForGG is at 51.93% Blizzcon Chances, with a 70.17% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 60.65%, or 31.41% if they lose. TooDming is at 0.1% Blizzcon Chances, with a 31.74% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.27%, or 0.03% if they lose. Sen is at 1.41% Blizzcon Chances, with a 42.85% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 2.74%, or 0.42% if they lose.
On May 18 2015 04:05 Noonius wrote: is it just me or is Smix always wearing the same watch?
Most people only have one watch, no ?
don't women accessorize?
women indeed tend to have multiple ones (and many men too), but Smix's looks like a watch-watch not a bracelet so it isn't so weird she wears only this one.
On May 18 2015 04:14 KingofdaHipHop wrote: If Stardust doesn't advance from this group I'll be very sad, and he'll probably be super frustrated after all the effort he put in to competing here.
Toodming kills his last assimilator with drones while mutas are chasing immortals, Jaedong and I start laughing maniacally
On May 18 2015 04:14 KingofdaHipHop wrote: If Stardust doesn't advance from this group I'll be very sad, and he'll probably be super frustrated after all the effort he put in to competing here.
Toodming kills his last assimilator with drones while mutas are chasing immortals, Jaedong and I start laughing maniacally
Stardust still advances and beats Jaedong in the finals anyways
On May 18 2015 04:18 Mozdk wrote: Facepalm. Stardust doesn't seem confident with this sort of play.
this was his style of play always
edit: toodming with carapace first, how cool can you get man?
Yeah but look at everything that's going wrong. This is what a lot of people have been saying about him lately. It's like it's a different player. From a top25 world, to someone outside top250.
On May 18 2015 04:18 Mozdk wrote: Facepalm. Stardust doesn't seem confident with this sort of play.
this was his style of play always
edit: toodming with carapace first, how cool can you get man?
Yeah but look at everything that's going wrong. This is what a lot of people have been saying about him lately. It's like it's a different player. From a top25 world, to someone outside top250.
I imagine that's what a break does to you, give him some time to recover.
Well at this point there's no gas for range either. Completely out of shape. He should just go with the Korean meta, blink stalkers should be good for him.
On May 18 2015 04:25 Thezzy wrote: I can get forgetting certain upgrades but Thermal Lance? How obvious is it to see your Colossi having to move so far forward?
The weirdest thing is that he was target firing his colossi on the hydras in the back, so he has to have noticed.
On May 18 2015 04:18 Mozdk wrote: Facepalm. Stardust doesn't seem confident with this sort of play.
this was his style of play always
edit: toodming with carapace first, how cool can you get man?
Yeah but look at everything that's going wrong. This is what a lot of people have been saying about him lately. It's like it's a different player. From a top25 world, to someone outside top250.
I imagine that's what a break does to you, give him some time to recover.
This isn't the break. This is Stardust going from a house full of players practicing with him to a house where he can only get really effective customs when Violet's not at the gym.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
31%
★★★ - Good game (5)
38%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
23%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 18 2015 04:37 Larkin wrote: at least there is different music than the generic brosteppy shit that's been on every US foreign event for like 2 years
On May 18 2015 04:37 Larkin wrote: at least there is different music than the generic brosteppy shit that's been on every US foreign event for like 2 years
On May 18 2015 04:37 Larkin wrote: at least there is different music than the generic brosteppy shit that's been on every US foreign event for like 2 years
On May 18 2015 04:37 Larkin wrote: at least there is different music than the generic brosteppy shit that's been on every US foreign event for like 2 years
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
44%
★★★ - Good game (5)
56%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 18 2015 04:49 Elentos wrote: Man, so many colossi in PvZ without SH feels weird :S
this was how every PvZ looked in WoL.
Well, yeah, but since everything can be killed with stalkers + templar and people have realised that, it's so weird to see colossi outside of all-ins in PvZ, especially in that number.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★ - Good game (2)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★ - Good game (2)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TooDming vs Stardust Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 18 2015 05:09 mikumegurine wrote: how did Jim beat Toodming
but Stardust couldnt?
lol
Jim is more active than Stardust has been in the past few months and Jim knows Toodming far better. Also Stardust played like shit, Jim probably didn't.
On May 18 2015 05:09 Circumstance wrote: This is interesting: Smix appears to be telling the translator the questions in advance so he knows what to ask.
It's probably more the fact that she always ask the same question.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (5)
36%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (7)
50%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (5)
36%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (7)
50%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 1?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
oh well ForGG, better go back to the random obnoxious hellbat/banshee/thor/scv pull variations then, there are plenty to choose from, one variation for every map. If you can beat someone like life with those builds im sure Sen wouldnt be too hard
On May 18 2015 05:25 Mozdk wrote: My bets say ForGG and Tood, but I don't hate Sen's chances. Although it's based on very little, because he's a bit of a mystery at the moment.
I don't often quote myself, but when I do, it's to make myself look smarter than I am.
On May 18 2015 05:25 Mozdk wrote: My bets say ForGG and Tood, but I don't hate Sen's chances. Although it's based on very little, because he's a bit of a mystery at the moment.
I don't often quote myself, but when I do, it's to make myself look smarter than I am.
On May 18 2015 05:25 Mozdk wrote: My bets say ForGG and Tood, but I don't hate Sen's chances. Although it's based on very little, because he's a bit of a mystery at the moment.
I don't often quote myself, but when I do, it's to make myself look smarter than I am.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 18 2015 06:05 ptbl wrote: So, Sen lost 9 queens to banshees when he could have saved them all with a couple of spore crawlers...
There is always ALWAYS an opening for cloak banshees to abuse. Also, you kinda dont have to do too much damage, cus honestly just forcing 3 spores per base and 1 or 2 at front, as well as containing creep spread and 2-shotting stray queens makes it okay. Assuming you dont lose the banshees to the mutas of course
On May 18 2015 06:05 ptbl wrote: So, Sen lost 9 queens to banshees when he could have saved them all with a couple of spore crawlers...
There is always ALWAYS an opening for cloak banshees to abuse. Also, you kinda dont have to do too much damage, cus honestly just forcing 3 spores per base and 1 or 2 at front, as well as containing creep spread and 2-shotting stray queens makes it okay. Assuming you dont lose the banshees to the mutas of course
Yeah, its true also in TvT aswell. Just the threat of cloaked banshee's forces at least a proportional response which makes the cost justified in most situations
On May 18 2015 06:05 ptbl wrote: So, Sen lost 9 queens to banshees when he could have saved them all with a couple of spore crawlers...
There is always ALWAYS an opening for cloak banshees to abuse. Also, you kinda dont have to do too much damage, cus honestly just forcing 3 spores per base and 1 or 2 at front, as well as containing creep spread and 2-shotting stray queens makes it okay. Assuming you dont lose the banshees to the mutas of course
Yeah, its true also in TvT aswell. Just the threat of cloaked banshee's forces at least a proportional response which makes the cost justified in most situations
yeah, and its ridiculous cus if youre not very aware of the banshees positioning, they can just swoop in and kill a spore before the spore do any damage to the banshees, and then bam theres a huge opening with no AA and no detection. It is literally impossible to defend against banshees without taking damage when the banshee count hits 3+
EDIT: though admittedly, in most cases, you Lair will be finished so detection shouldnt be a problem at the point of that many banshees
Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
You must be mistaken, you actually dont have to do a lot of direct damage at any point in the game with forGG's style
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
Well, in Game 1 ForGG opened with double reaper into 3OC. If Sen blindcountered with a roach warren he would autolose against ForGG's bio play. It's possible to hold this stuff without playing super super safe anyway and not taking a build order loss to a macro build.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
then you run into what Jim did yesterday. Everyone knows I all in? Fuck it I'll macro and have a ridiculous advantage. Its why scouting is so good.
Also with the changes to SH Zerg are still trying to figure out the response to mech, at least from what I've seen/experienced
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
56%
★★★ - Good game (2)
22%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend ForGG vs Sen Game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
Life actually came prepared next time they played and crushed ForGG
Terrible games Sen played so bad and got owned by those banshees. TWICE. So disappointing. Late lair, no response at all to the banshees he got rekt and outclassed UGH
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
Life actually came prepared next time they played and crushed ForGG
ForGG played bio the next time they played. In his post-game interview ForGG said he didnt use mech because he was saving the strat for WCS.
On May 18 2015 06:25 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think Sen is a fairly good player, Stardust is going to have a tough time of he perform at a higher level in that losers-series
Stardust barely eeked past NA WCS qualifier and Huk, and PvP was usually one of his stronger match ups. I'd probably favour huk over stardust in this group lol
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
To lose vs him isn't the same as losing to the same tactics over and over.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
You must be mistaken, you actually dont have to do a lot of direct damage at any point in the game with forGG's style
But ForGG does that with banshees and hellions. If you know with 80% that he does this, than prepare the spores when he ads additionally two banshees and don't lose 8 queens. This is on pro level and I don't accept that.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
To lose vs him isn't the same as losing to the same tactics a lot of times.
In his last 4 games vs Bbyong, Life lost to the exact same hellbat timing.
The fast third style vs T is just so hard to defend now with all the buff T received : hellbat/banshee, and no SH anymore to prevent this kind of mech slow push, or to try to come back when behind, so nearly everyone plays 2 base mutas vs T.
On May 18 2015 06:25 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think Sen is a fairly good player, Stardust is going to have a tough time of he perform at a higher level in that losers-series
Stardust barely eeked past NA WCS qualifier and Huk, and PvP was usually one of his stronger match ups. I'd probably favour huk over stardust in this group lol
Nah, Huk is a pretty terrible player atm. He really hasn't been good since WOL
Is there anyone that prefers loser's match first? I don't get the reason why they have it. Unless I'm following a certain player, it really kills the hype for the group.
It sucks even more because of the bad broadcast times, it's time to sleep for us europeans! :D
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
no need to flame life. he isn't even playing today.
To lose vs him isn't the same as losing to the same tactics a lot of times.
On May 18 2015 06:20 NaboliC wrote: Wonder why zerg players lose every time to small pushes from start from a player they know. Everyone knows that ForGG plays like this, just open roaches then? And make some extra spores vs probable mass banshees? This is not the hard part of this game, ok? Some zerg-players are just not good.
You must be mistaken, you actually dont have to do a lot of direct damage at any point in the game with forGG's style
But ForGG does that with banshees and hellions. If you know with 80% that he does this, than prepare the spores when he ads additionally two banshees and don't lose 8 queens. This is on pro level and I don't except that.
So what you are prepared, you now have 9 drones less cus of spores, delayed upgrades cus of a faster Lair, and your creep is contained. and that's assuming you defended the lethal pressure of marine medievac hellbat without losing more than a queen or 2, cus you actually need to constantly queue queens in order to come out of that okay, and unless your crisis management is amazing you will fuck up and either make a lair without additional queens, or queue up queens and not get a lair
Barring a perfect hold, which is largely impossible against a player with as much experience as forgg, and as good control as forgg, you will be fucked in some way no matter what
Okay, so lets assume the hellbat medievac marine, and banshee follow up did minimal ish damage. You now have shit creep spread, feel forced to go muta to counter the 3-4 banshees, and if you are lucky you have decentish upgrades going, at least enough to rival the terran upgrades. CONGRATS YOU'RE NOW ON EVEN FOOTING, HOPE YOU'RE GOOD AGAINST MECH
One one side of the studio, Nate is talking to fans and saying "I wish the Zergs I played on ladder were that greedy:, and on the other side, I hear Gretorp telling Sen "No, you were still ahead on workers at that point" And "the Medivac give him too much heal".
On May 18 2015 06:25 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think Sen is a fairly good player, Stardust is going to have a tough time of he perform at a higher level in that losers-series
Stardust barely eeked past NA WCS qualifier and Huk, and PvP was usually one of his stronger match ups. I'd probably favour huk over stardust in this group lol
Nah, Huk is a pretty terrible player atm. He really hasn't been good since WOL
yeah fair enough, point is, stardust is pretty shit right now as well. But hey, there's always the great protoss book of bullshit
On May 18 2015 06:31 DJHelium wrote: Is there anyone that prefers loser's match first? I don't get the reason why they have it. Unless I'm following a certain player, it really kills the hype for the group.
It sucks even more because of the bad broadcast times, it's time to sleep for us europeans! :D
The most important matches are played last. I understand why they do it and I don't mind.
On May 18 2015 06:33 Circumstance wrote: One one side of the studio, Nate is talking to fans and saying "I wish the Zergs I played on ladder were that greedy:, and on the other side, I hear Gretorp telling Sen "No, you were still ahead on workers at that point" And "the Medical give him too much heal".
On May 18 2015 06:31 DJHelium wrote: Is there anyone that prefers loser's match first? I don't get the reason why they have it. Unless I'm following a certain player, it really kills the hype for the group.
It sucks even more because of the bad broadcast times, it's time to sleep for us europeans! :D
Maybe the winners since the winner of the 2nd pair gets more time to rest/prepare? I dunno. As a viewer I certainly prefer seeing the winners' match first.
On May 18 2015 06:33 Circumstance wrote: One one side of the studio, Nate is talking to fans and saying "I wish the Zergs I played on ladder were that greedy:, and on the other side, I hear Gretorp telling Sen "No, you were still ahead on workers at that point" And "the Medical give him too much heal".
wait you're there?
I've mentioned this before, I live about 45 minutes from the studio.
On May 18 2015 06:33 Circumstance wrote: One one side of the studio, Nate is talking to fans and saying "I wish the Zergs I played on ladder were that greedy:, and on the other side, I hear Gretorp telling Sen "No, you were still ahead on workers at that point" And "the Medical give him too much heal".
wait you're there?
I've mentioned this before, I live about 45 minutes from the studio.
oh shit that's awesome.
wish they did wcs in the city here tho, would def take the train to watch live
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
Losing against better playing is always frustrating, but imo Sen can win against SD, giving his current form!
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
Losing against better playing is always frustrating, but imo Sen can win against SD, giving his current form!
Losing against better playing is def frustrating, it's just unfortunate I'd disagree that's what happened in sen vs forgg
Sen should demolish stardust, but i wont believe it before I see it all the salt im pouring out of every orifice is jading
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
At least the blink stalker era is over
In a way though that was kind of easier, because at least you knew what every protoss was going to do. Bronze leaguers would still go cannon rush, everyone else would go blink stalkers.
The hardest part about playing vs protoss allins is the great guessing game. Ebay/turrets/marines counters dts and oracles, and virtually ensure that you lose vs blinkstalkers, because lack of bunkers and marauders at critical timings is a death sentence.
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
Does 2-bases Ultra exists ? Never though it could.
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
Does 2-bases Ultra exists ? Never though it could.
yes, Starbuck won pro games with that and almost rekt MMA in a teamleague
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
Does 2-bases Ultra exists ? Never though it could.
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
At least the blink stalker era is over
In a way though that was kind of easier, because at least you knew what every protoss was going to do. Bronze leaguers would still go cannon rush, everyone else would go blink stalkers.
The hardest part about playing vs protoss allins is the great guessing game. Ebay/turrets/marines counters dts and oracles, and virtually ensure that you lose vs blinkstalkers, because lack of bunkers and marauders at critical timings is a death sentence.
Yeah I'm not familiar with whining from a terran's perspective, but putting thought into it, I'm guessing terran has had just as much reason to bitch about protoss as zerg has at some points lol
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
Does 2-bases Ultra exists ? Never though it could.
yes, Starbuck won pro games with that and almost rekt MMA in a teamleague
i remember when starbuck won a map off mma and almost eliminated him using proxy infestors
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
At least the blink stalker era is over
In a way though that was kind of easier, because at least you knew what every protoss was going to do. Bronze leaguers would still go cannon rush, everyone else would go blink stalkers.
The hardest part about playing vs protoss allins is the great guessing game. Ebay/turrets/marines counters dts and oracles, and virtually ensure that you lose vs blinkstalkers, because lack of bunkers and marauders at critical timings is a death sentence.
Yeah I'm not familiar with whining from a terran's perspective, but putting thought into it, I'm guessing terran has had just as much reason to bitch about protoss as zerg has at some points lol
you should come to more LR threads, you'll see the perspective easily
On May 18 2015 06:38 Aocowns wrote: Lol, Sen has to play against Cheesedust 5mins after playing against forgg. How fucking shit can your day be
I think there are much worse things than doing what you love for a living. A lot of people don't have that opportunity.
well duh, didnt mean it super literally, but yeah thats fair enough
I'm just saying, playing forgg and then a protoss who made most of his career out of cheesing and clever protoss builds.. I'd call that a pretty frustrating draw lol
True, I understand that. Like playing T vs two super cheesy and super successful protoss in a row.
At least the blink stalker era is over
In a way though that was kind of easier, because at least you knew what every protoss was going to do. Bronze leaguers would still go cannon rush, everyone else would go blink stalkers.
The hardest part about playing vs protoss allins is the great guessing game. Ebay/turrets/marines counters dts and oracles, and virtually ensure that you lose vs blinkstalkers, because lack of bunkers and marauders at critical timings is a death sentence.
Yeah I'm not familiar with whining from a terran's perspective, but putting thought into it, I'm guessing terran has had just as much reason to bitch about protoss as zerg has at some points lol
you should come to more LR threads, you'll see the perspective easily
Sadly, I'm only around for Zerg games Unless Libo is playing, that kid is balling
EDIT: and as for terran perspective in ZvT.. I never agree
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
No that exists. Stephano did it to Strelok in 2011 on Jungle Basin
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
Does 2-bases Ultra exists ? Never though it could.
yes, Starbuck won pro games with that and almost rekt MMA in a teamleague
i remember when starbuck won a map off mma and almost eliminated him using proxy infestors
i love that kid
he also did 7RR with burrow and almost killed Taeja
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
No that exists. Stephano did it to Strelok in 2011 on Jungle Basin
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
No that exists. Stephano did it to Strelok in 2011 on Jungle Basin
that's 4 years ago though
did anyone do it later again?
nope, but ask yourself this. Has there ever been a map as bad as Jungle Basin since then?
On May 18 2015 06:49 Alchemik wrote: a completely unrelated thought - I just realized that the only build off of 2 bases that doesn't exist for Zerg is 2 base broodlord
No that exists. Stephano did it to Strelok in 2011 on Jungle Basin
that's 4 years ago though
did anyone do it later again?
nope, but ask yourself this. Has there ever been a map as bad as Jungle Basin since then?
I hope for good 2 base broodlord maps next season then
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On May 18 2015 07:11 Blardy wrote: How is that a proxy nexus when its the same distance away from the zergs base as his main is?
Proxy in Starcraft doesn't mean closer. It just means outside your base.
On some maps we've seen proxy Stargate that was further away than if they were in the player's base.
No, proxy means outside of your base closer to your opponent. Everything else is just hidden, but people call it proxy because reasons.
Sorry dude. But what I describe is what it has come to mean over time. It's quite clear if you watch all casts, that outside main and nat = proxy.
If I hide a twillight and shrine cross on Cactus, the casters would say proxy. Because that's what the word means in SC terms.
It's wrong terminology that's been accepted. Wolf even recently acknowledged that calling it a proxy is technically wrong but they just call it that anyway.
Nevermind the fact that calling what Stardust did a "proxy nexus" is ridiculous. It's a hidden base. Proxy nexus implies offensive use.
On May 18 2015 07:21 Silvana wrote: It was a hidden nexus and most casters call it that way... In fact I think it's the first time I hear a hidden nexus called proxy...
On May 18 2015 07:11 Blardy wrote: How is that a proxy nexus when its the same distance away from the zergs base as his main is?
Proxy in Starcraft doesn't mean closer. It just means outside your base.
On some maps we've seen proxy Stargate that was further away than if they were in the player's base.
No, proxy means outside of your base closer to your opponent. Everything else is just hidden, but people call it proxy because reasons.
Sorry dude. But what I describe is what it has come to mean over time. It's quite clear if you watch all casts, that outside main and nat = proxy.
If I hide a twillight and shrine cross on Cactus, the casters would say proxy. Because that's what the word means in SC terms.
It's wrong terminology that's been accepted. Wolf even recently acknowledged that calling it a proxy is technically wrong but they just call it that anyway.
Nevermind the fact that calling what Stardust did a "proxy nexus" is ridiculous. It's a hidden base. Proxy nexus implies offensive use.
I agree with the ladder. I didn't catch whatever Wolf said? Was it proleague? I follow that the lightest.
Looks like SD is banking on ForGG cracking Ming's Tood.
On May 18 2015 07:11 Blardy wrote: How is that a proxy nexus when its the same distance away from the zergs base as his main is?
Proxy in Starcraft doesn't mean closer. It just means outside your base.
On some maps we've seen proxy Stargate that was further away than if they were in the player's base.
No, proxy means outside of your base closer to your opponent. Everything else is just hidden, but people call it proxy because reasons.
Sorry dude. But what I describe is what it has come to mean over time. It's quite clear if you watch all casts, that outside main and nat = proxy.
If I hide a twillight and shrine cross on Cactus, the casters would say proxy. Because that's what the word means in SC terms.
It's wrong terminology that's been accepted. Wolf even recently acknowledged that calling it a proxy is technically wrong but they just call it that anyway.
Nevermind the fact that calling what Stardust did a "proxy nexus" is ridiculous. It's a hidden base. Proxy nexus implies offensive use.
I agree with the ladder. I didn't catch whatever Wolf said? Was it proleague? I follow that the lightest.
Looks like SD is banking on ForGG cracking Ming's Tood.
At this point I'm not even sure if it was Proleague, SSL or KeSPA Cup :S
I wonder if Toodming's gonna die a horrible death to banshees.
On May 18 2015 07:45 Xoronius wrote: Toodming should have won that, right? Just let the lings kill the tech-lab and everything should be fine or am I wrong there?
I didn't actually notice, but he must have delayed 2 queen. Which would have helped a great deal. But I guess his practice shows more lings we better... Not sure.
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On May 18 2015 07:45 Xoronius wrote: Toodming should have won that, right? Just let the lings kill the tech-lab and everything should be fine or am I wrong there?
I didn't actually notice, but he must have delayed 2 queen. Which would have helped a great deal. But I guess his practice shows more lings we better... Not sure.
Yes, his queens were also running through marine fire, Idk, if he could have avoided that. But I think, the techlab was outside of the bunker range, so the lings could have killed that.
uggggggh forGG rekt sen with banshees, why is toodMing making the exact same mistakes. he should have known that forGG would have built a banshee which would have roflstomped the proxy hatch push, but he did absolutely nothing about it.
On May 18 2015 07:49 Baadbeat wrote: Wow ForGG won? Internet connection broke right when Toodming's spines got into ForGG's base. Impressive even though I guess Toodming messed up?
ForGG was able to save his bunker at very low health and get a banshee out. Toodming only had 1 damaged queen so his attack got cleaned up
On May 18 2015 07:49 Baadbeat wrote: Wow ForGG won? Internet connection broke right when Toodming's spines got into ForGG's base. Impressive even though I guess Toodming messed up?
Not really tbh. No real control issues. I guess ForGG's bunker placement was litterally perfect. He got behind in workers. Like 10 to 17, but with 2 cc's he caught up vs a 1 base zerg, and tech just allowed him to crush Tood after the hold. He was very close to not holding, but Tood should win when he has 3 spines before Forgg has a single unit. If he can't win every time vs anyone in that position, the build is just not good enough.
Or he feels Forgg is just so much better, that a normal game is pointless. So throw something new at him and pray the respond is less than optimal.
On May 18 2015 07:49 Baadbeat wrote: Wow ForGG won? Internet connection broke right when Toodming's spines got into ForGG's base. Impressive even though I guess Toodming messed up?
ForGG was able to save his bunker at very low health and get a banshee out. Toodming only had 1 damaged queen so his attack got cleaned up
Thanks!
Cool cheese though, even cooler than proxyhatch on Expedition Lost. Will definitely try it
Innovation should just build banshees and close this out 2-0 because apparently the chinese zerg don't realize banshees are a good unit UGH. calling it now.
On May 18 2015 07:49 Baadbeat wrote: Wow ForGG won? Internet connection broke right when Toodming's spines got into ForGG's base. Impressive even though I guess Toodming messed up?
ForGG was able to save his bunker at very low health and get a banshee out. Toodming only had 1 damaged queen so his attack got cleaned up
Thanks!
Cool cheese though, even cooler than proxyhatch on Expedition Lost. Will definitely try it
Wont it just straight up lose to reaper? They'll know very early.
On May 18 2015 07:53 fishjie wrote: Innovation should just build banshees and close this out 2-0 because apparently the chinese zerg don't realize banshees are a good unit UGH. calling it now.
Dude INnoVation may be in a slump right now but it hasn't reached the point where he's playing WCS yet.
On May 18 2015 07:53 fishjie wrote: Innovation should just build banshees and close this out 2-0 because apparently the chinese zerg don't realize banshees are a good unit UGH. calling it now.
Dude INnoVation may be in a slump right now but it hasn't reached the point where he's playing WCS yet.
he might want to consider it if he keeps getting benched by skt :D
On May 18 2015 07:56 NaboliC wrote: Saw that kids? Toodming made roaches becuause of the obvious metagame vs ForGG, and he held. Don't be kids and stupid.
On May 18 2015 07:56 NaboliC wrote: Saw that kids? Toodming made roaches becuause of the obvious metagame vs ForGG, and he held. Don't be kids and stupod.
On May 18 2015 07:53 fishjie wrote: Innovation should just build banshees and close this out 2-0 because apparently the chinese zerg don't realize banshees are a good unit UGH. calling it now.
WOW just wow, what a joke toodming. You saw sen get rekt by banshees, you got rekt by banshees in last game, you got ahead, AND THEN YOU JUST GOT REKT BY BANSHEES AGAIN. STOP LOSING TO THEM
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toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
On May 18 2015 08:02 Baadbeat wrote: That game is so weird, but in a good sense!
Toodming messed up letting the hellions kill that many drones early, without that he would've been far ahead.
He actually didn't. If you are talking about the 4 hellions when he was moving roaches forward. His own roach attack did much much more damage. So if he had kept them back to defend, his position would end up worse.
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On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
On May 18 2015 08:14 Siphyo wrote: How do I fix the constant loading/buffering of the stream?
lower the quality or get better internet
Thanks for the tips, but I think 50 Mb should be enough to watch medium quality.
I got 120Mb and it's lagging :/
Are you from the netherlands?
Yup, must be the server in Amsterdam
yeah the isp around there is throttling the internet or something like that, because you shouldn't be lagging with that speed haha
Nah. I actually know what it is. It is actually Twitch that causes it (to little bandwith for certain IP ranges). It hasn't lagged in a long time. Guess it's our turn again..
It's weird because toodming had an overlord scouting forgg and saw the tech lab star port but refused to make spores at all. Really weird, guess he was just prepping defense for the Hellbat push.
On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
hell just roll you over at 15 minutes if you go balls out on holding his hellbat push and alter your build...
oh man it kinda sucks that I won't be able to watch really any of the round of 16 and playoffs this season, especially since i enjoyed last season's finals so much and it's at a reasonable time zone
Hey you can't expect everyone to know everything. To be frank, I don't care about the conflict in China. Not dismissing the issue, but just not interested.
I am just interested in their nationality (or what nationality they identify with).
On May 18 2015 08:38 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Hey you can't expect everyone to know everything. To be frank, I don't care about the conflict in China. Not dismissing the issue, but just not interested.
I am just interested in their nationality (or what nationality they identify with).
I identify myself as a member of the Republic of Foie Gras.
On May 18 2015 08:38 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Hey you can't expect everyone to know everything. To be frank, I don't care about the conflict in China. Not dismissing the issue, but just not interested.
I am just interested in their nationality (or what nationality they identify with).
I identify myself as a member of the Republic of Foie Gras.
So you consider yourself as the liver of a duck?
In that case I am a member of United Slices of Pizza.
On May 18 2015 08:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote: the answer you're looking for is sen is taiwanese
Taiwanese is not really a legit nationality.
Regardless of whether you call Taiwan "Taiwanese" or "Republic of China", both Mainland China and Taiwanese people self-identify by the ethnicity of "Chinese" so why does it even matter.
On May 18 2015 08:38 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Hey you can't expect everyone to know everything. To be frank, I don't care about the conflict in China. Not dismissing the issue, but just not interested.
I am just interested in their nationality (or what nationality they identify with).
I identify myself as a member of the Republic of Foie Gras.
So you consider yourself as the liver of a duck?
In that case I am a member of United Slices of Pizza.
For the whole Chinese/Taiwanese debate. Chinese is both a nationality and an ethnicity. People in Taiwan might not consider themselves PRC Chinese, but no one denies that they are Chinese in heritage (Han Chinese or some other minority).
So it wouldn't necessarily be wrong to refer to Sen and Toodming both as Chinese.
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
i'd really enjoy seeing you try to do better
What a pointless comment. The Chinese zeros played terribly. They are at the pro level. They repeatedly got wrecked by the same unit and didn't adapt for it. Plain as day to anybody. If it were my job to play video games you damn well better believe I'd learn from my mistakes
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
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On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
i'd really enjoy seeing you try to do better
What a pointless comment. The Chinese zeros played terribly. They are at the pro level. They repeatedly got wrecked by the same unit and didn't adapt for it. Plain as day to anybody. If it were my job to play video games you damn well better believe I'd learn from my mistakes
you heard it here first: progamers are good because they're progamers, they're not progamers because they're good. and sometimes progamers are actually bad and forum posters are better
On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
i'd really enjoy seeing you try to do better
What a pointless comment. The Chinese zeros played terribly. They are at the pro level. They repeatedly got wrecked by the same unit and didn't adapt for it. Plain as day to anybody. If it were my job to play video games you damn well better believe I'd learn from my mistakes
you heard it here first: progamers are good because they're progamers, they're not progamers because they're good. and sometimes progamers are actually bad and forum posters are better
why you getting so mad because im pointing out the obvious. it was a very disappointing showing. clearly they were not good, because both chinese zergs got beat by the same unit, repeatedly. as much as id love to see the chinese beat the koreans it was not going to happen with that kind of bad play. forgg didnt even cheese or anything, he just built banshees. that's it. all they had to do was respond to the banshees that were coming. given how badly the banshees kept mauling them, its just common sense to prepare for them next time.
but you heard it here first you have to be a progamer to point out obvious mistakes
On May 18 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: toodming deserved to lose for getting wrekt so hard by banshees. it never should have gotten to that point. china needs to step its game up if they wanna beat the koreans. game 3: forgg builds 1 banshee. toodming dies
OH WOW MY PREDICTION CAME TRUE
toodming playing terribly again and not adapting game plan to account for forgg OBVIOUS banshees
i'd really enjoy seeing you try to do better
What a pointless comment. The Chinese zeros played terribly. They are at the pro level. They repeatedly got wrecked by the same unit and didn't adapt for it. Plain as day to anybody. If it were my job to play video games you damn well better believe I'd learn from my mistakes
you heard it here first: progamers are good because they're progamers, they're not progamers because they're good. and sometimes progamers are actually bad and forum posters are better
why you getting so mad because im pointing out the obvious. it was a very disappointing showing. clearly they were not good, because both chinese zergs got beat by the same unit, repeatedly. as much as id love to see the chinese beat the koreans it was not going to happen with that kind of bad play. forgg didnt even cheese or anything, he just built banshees. that's it. all they had to do was respond to the banshees that were coming. given how badly the banshees kept mauling them, its just common sense to prepare for them next time.
but you heard it here first you have to be a progamer to point out obvious mistakes
ForGG has a 121 wins - 84 losses (59.02%) record in TvZ including series wins over HyuN, Life, Symbol, Solar, Leenock, Snute, and Jaedong, he's made hellion into hellbat and banshee in every TvZ since like 2012? Next you will tell me people are not progamers because they lose to Maru making the same units (marine marauder medivac mine) in TvP?
I've discovered one of the best parts of attending live events: listening to people in the know chatting after the show. I just heard Huk having a conversation with Nightris and someone else about that Korean Skype thing (I only know how to pronounce it, not spell it) before they had to start the Stardust interview. (I saw the Pet and Bunny interviews before, they'll all probably be used in the Toronto production.)
On May 18 2015 07:56 NaboliC wrote: Saw that kids? Toodming made roaches becuause of the obvious metagame vs ForGG, and he held. Don't be kids and stupod.
Do you see the irony in you post?
He hold what was meant to hold. No irnoy. SEN is also a lot worse player but he at least held the first obvious push.
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