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KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9941
On November 02 2014 13:03 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 cpower wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:58 Cheren wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:57 Yorkie wrote:
Hmm even with the brackets the way they are Artosis thinks Taej has a better shot than MMA/Bomber. I think their chances are pretty even


Bomber > Taeja > MMA in terms of recent form, I'd say.

yes but talent level
Taeja > Bomber >> MMA
when he is on fire, nobody can stop him.


2011 MMA was better than Bomber's ever been.

Ah 2011 MMA so good
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9942
damn; this should really be the finals
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9943
On November 02 2014 13:03 Yorkie wrote:
He 3-0d Rain at WCS Global Finals season 2 last year after Rain made the finals in OSL that season. People need to drop that 'Taeja can't hold up against the Kespa elite in offline series"



Key words: LAST YEAR
rip passion
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9944
On November 02 2014 13:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:56 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:48 redviper wrote:
Life finds a way! That was just incredible stuff by him. Zest was outplayed completely. Had to rely on DT cheese to win game 4 and tried cannon cheese in game 5. Best player in the world my ass.


LOL completely outplayed. The only game that didn't come down to basic stupid mistakes was won by Zest (on Nimbus). Otherwise the series was horrible, far below Zest usual standards, with a lot of mistakes and questionable moves from both sides. But Zest was not being outplayed by any means, he just decided it would be fun to beat himself...


Classic lack of understanding of what makes Life so good. Do you really think people just coincidentally make so many more mistakes against Life, every tournament, every year? Really?


I wonder where his magical powers to make his opponents play bad were gone when he dropped out of code A. He's not a magician. He chose good builds to put Zest out of his comfort zone and was lucky enough to have Zest making one of the biggest throws of the year in game 5. Nothing more, and it's already a lot. But Zest beat himself. Don't doubt that.


Players beat themselves when playing against Life for... two years? This isn't a one-off occurance, this is a pattern that rarely breaks. When Life wins, players usually make uncharacteristic mistakes against him. We're talking something like 100+ offline Bo3/Bo5/Bo7 since September 2012, does that not sound absurd to you? Zest might be a step above most players Life faces, but the manner Zest lost in is not by any means unique. It's common against Life, every time.

TaeJa does this a lot too, he forces his opponent to play badly

Same goes for soO before the grand finals, we can expect a terrible series
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9945
On November 02 2014 13:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:56 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:48 redviper wrote:
Life finds a way! That was just incredible stuff by him. Zest was outplayed completely. Had to rely on DT cheese to win game 4 and tried cannon cheese in game 5. Best player in the world my ass.


LOL completely outplayed. The only game that didn't come down to basic stupid mistakes was won by Zest (on Nimbus). Otherwise the series was horrible, far below Zest usual standards, with a lot of mistakes and questionable moves from both sides. But Zest was not being outplayed by any means, he just decided it would be fun to beat himself...


Classic lack of understanding of what makes Life so good. Do you really think people just coincidentally make so many more mistakes against Life, every tournament, every year? Really?


I wonder where his magical powers to make his opponents play bad were gone when he dropped out of code A. He's not a magician. He chose good builds to put Zest out of his comfort zone and was lucky enough to have Zest making one of the biggest throws of the year in game 5. Nothing more, and it's already a lot. But Zest beat himself. Don't doubt that.


Players beat themselves when playing against Life for... two years? This isn't a one-off occurance, this is a pattern that rarely breaks. When Life wins, players usually make uncharacteristic mistakes against him. We're talking something like 100+ offline Bo3/Bo5/Bo7 since September 2012, does that not sound absurd to you? Zest might be a step above most players Life faces, but the manner Zest lost in is not by any means unique. It's common against Life, every time.


Agree to disagree.


get rekt kespa fanboy
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9946
On November 02 2014 13:03 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 cpower wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:58 Cheren wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:57 Yorkie wrote:
Hmm even with the brackets the way they are Artosis thinks Taej has a better shot than MMA/Bomber. I think their chances are pretty even


Bomber > Taeja > MMA in terms of recent form, I'd say.

yes but talent level
Taeja > Bomber >> MMA
when he is on fire, nobody can stop him.


2011 MMA was better than Bomber's ever been.

Even the Bomber that beat TaeJa at his peak and Jaedong near his peak 3-2 and 4-0 to win the Season 2 finals?
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9947
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#9948
On November 02 2014 13:04 Superbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:03 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:56 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:48 redviper wrote:
Life finds a way! That was just incredible stuff by him. Zest was outplayed completely. Had to rely on DT cheese to win game 4 and tried cannon cheese in game 5. Best player in the world my ass.


LOL completely outplayed. The only game that didn't come down to basic stupid mistakes was won by Zest (on Nimbus). Otherwise the series was horrible, far below Zest usual standards, with a lot of mistakes and questionable moves from both sides. But Zest was not being outplayed by any means, he just decided it would be fun to beat himself...


Classic lack of understanding of what makes Life so good. Do you really think people just coincidentally make so many more mistakes against Life, every tournament, every year? Really?


I wonder where his magical powers to make his opponents play bad were gone when he dropped out of code A. He's not a magician. He chose good builds to put Zest out of his comfort zone and was lucky enough to have Zest making one of the biggest throws of the year in game 5. Nothing more, and it's already a lot. But Zest beat himself. Don't doubt that.


Players beat themselves when playing against Life for... two years? This isn't a one-off occurance, this is a pattern that rarely breaks. When Life wins, players usually make uncharacteristic mistakes against him. We're talking something like 100+ offline Bo3/Bo5/Bo7 since September 2012, does that not sound absurd to you? Zest might be a step above most players Life faces, but the manner Zest lost in is not by any means unique. It's common against Life, every time.

TaeJa does this a lot too, he forces his opponent to play badly

Same goes for soO before the grand finals, we can expect a terrible series

No, soO just destroys everyone
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9949
On November 02 2014 13:04 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself


Luxury and SaviOr
AdministratorBreak the chains
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9950
On November 02 2014 13:04 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself


Not really, if it's just in good fun.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9951
On November 02 2014 13:04 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:03 Yorkie wrote:
He 3-0d Rain at WCS Global Finals season 2 last year after Rain made the finals in OSL that season. People need to drop that 'Taeja can't hold up against the Kespa elite in offline series"



Key words: LAST YEAR

Then this year he beat Zest 3-0 at IEM Shenzen. Then he beat him 2-1 at IEM Toronto. Get rekt
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9952
Taeja can beat Kespa, it's people who leave Kespa for ez money that he has trouble with ie: Pigbaby.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9953
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?


Because during the summer's of Taeja he always plays in such a dull manner. I just find his games to be very weird to watch. A lot of domination. And when he loses the games are very dull also. I feel Taeja has no heart. Something I loved about Mvp, he always played with heart, even when he dominated it was fun to watch.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9954
On November 02 2014 13:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:04 Penev wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself


Luxury and SaviOr


Paralyze.

TRAITOR TO THE AFRO, YOU HAVE DONE DISHONOR TO THE AFRO LEGACY
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cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9955
On November 02 2014 13:04 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:03 Cheren wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 cpower wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:58 Cheren wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:57 Yorkie wrote:
Hmm even with the brackets the way they are Artosis thinks Taej has a better shot than MMA/Bomber. I think their chances are pretty even


Bomber > Taeja > MMA in terms of recent form, I'd say.

yes but talent level
Taeja > Bomber >> MMA
when he is on fire, nobody can stop him.


2011 MMA was better than Bomber's ever been.

Even the Bomber that beat TaeJa at his peak and Jaedong near his peak 3-2 and 4-0 to win the Season 2 finals?

Bomber beats everyone in TVT though. I dont think he will lose to anyone in TVT.
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9956
they really should have given this an extra day
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9957
On November 02 2014 13:02 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:00 SFDuality wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:56 Yorkie wrote:
Artosis giving soO that sick credit for all that he's accomplished

A bit too much, perhaps. Sure, all those 2nd places are impressive, but to call it the greatest achievement of any SC2 player ever? Mvp actually won GSL 4 times. Taeja has 11 premiers. I'd rank both of those above a bunch of silvers any day.


The difference is that Soo's results are consecutive. MVP fell to code a between GSL wins. Taeja's 11 premiers are over the span of 3 years and in much easier events. It might not be the highest peak but no player has ever done anything anywhere near this consistent before.

I guess I have an issue with 2nd place even being considered as "the greatest accomplishment", no matter how many times he achieved it or how consistently.

If he can maintain his form over a couple more GSL's, though, I may change my mind.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9958
On November 02 2014 13:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:04 Penev wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself


Luxury and SaviOr


it's been several years...
time heals all wounds
rip passion
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9959
On November 02 2014 13:04 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:55 redviper wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
What a shitty day for me personally (well not really, but my favorites all lost -.-)
First JD, now Zest.
The only thing that would make it worse is Taeja winning now, so PLS soO, PLS win this


I hate Taeja but I almost want to support him just to see the tears!

You are a weird person

Yeah, how could he possibly hate TaeJa?

Tbh; Hating a player is weird in itself


Not really...Flash destroyed JD in his heyday, I still can't forgive him for that.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 02 2014 04:05 GMT
#9960
On November 02 2014 13:03 691175002 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:02 JJH777 wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:00 SFDuality wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:56 Yorkie wrote:
Artosis giving soO that sick credit for all that he's accomplished

A bit too much, perhaps. Sure, all those 2nd places are impressive, but to call it the greatest achievement of any SC2 player ever? Mvp actually won GSL 4 times. Taeja has 11 premiers. I'd rank both of those above a bunch of silvers any day.


The difference is that Soo's results are consecutive. MVP fell to code a between GSL wins. Taeja's 11 premiers are over the span of 3 years and in much easier events. It might not be the highest peak but no player has ever done anything anywhere near this consistent before.

The funny thing is that half the time casters point out that spread out results are a lot more impressive.

A lot of players are strong for a time, but being there, falling and crawling back is arguably even more difficult.

Especially considering that MVP won a GSL while literally being unable to correctly play bio due to wrist injuries.


Plz lets not compare quality of gsl back in 2011 with right now.
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