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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:52 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:51 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:49 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? Harstem is usually pretty cool with it, isn't he. yea, so thats 3. 4 Kpop scarlett best girl also 5 with TLO. 6 with Welmu
Also 6 of the nicest pros I have ever met.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:52 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:51 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:49 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? Harstem is usually pretty cool with it, isn't he. yea, so thats 3. 4 Kpop scarlett best girl also 5 with TLO. 6 with Welmu
Of course this doesn't mean the rest activaley hate it. I assume there are a small to decent amount who are neutral either way.
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:50 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:47 The_Templar wrote:On October 13 2014 08:43 The_Templar wrote:
Map: Foxtrot Labs Polt spawns in the top left Bomber spawns in the bottom right 2:00 Gas first for Bomber. Barracks/gas for Polt. Polt getting a reaper. 3:00 Quick factory for Bomber. Polt sending his reaper to Bomber's main. 4:00 Bomber getting a hellion and a starport. Factory for Polt. Polt getting a CC. 5:00 Banshee for Bomber. Polt getting a starport. Bomber expands. Reaper from Polt kills an SCV. Reaper gets in the main and sees a cloaked banshee. 7:00  Polt 45 vs Bomber 40 Banshee gets into the natural. Polt dropping marines below the Banshee and nearly killing it. Stim for Polt. Bomber getting a third CC. Marine/tank vs Marine/tank. 8:00 Polt 62 vs Bomber 50 Polt loads up a drop. Bomber getting a reactor on his starport. Stim finishing for Bomber. Polt about to go for a drop and avoids a widow mine. 9:00 Polt 77 vs Bomber 60 Polt scans Bomber's main. Both players getting +1 attack. Stim for Polt. Combat shields for Bomber. 10:00 Polt 96 vs Bomber 81 Bomber moves out with a hellion and it dies to a widow mine. Bomber finds a medivac and some marines but loses some of his marines to a widow mine.
12:00 Polt 114 vs Bomber 103
Polt gets into the main with 3 tanks and marines in a drop.
Widow mine nearly kills all of the tanks and Bomber holds easily.
Comba shields for Polt.
+1 armor for both players.
Sensor tower for Polt.
Both players are on 3 bases.
Polt is 20 workers up.
13:00 Polt 118 vs Bomber 126
Bomber moving out.
Polt snipes a tank.
Bomber backs off and Polt tries chasing.
14:00 Polt 121 vs Bomber 143
Bomber is getting an armory.
+2/2 for Polt.
Bomber moving towards the third now.
Bomber sieges below the ramp outside the natural.
Bomber zones out the third base and attacks it with marines.
Polt gets to his third in time to repair.
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On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB.
It's a similar reason of why I respect Inno he had the chance to keep getting easy money but he refused because he prioritises winning and getting better.
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On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:52 Luolis wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:49 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? Harstem is usually pretty cool with it, isn't he. yea, so thats 3. 4 Kpop scarlett best girl also 5 with TLO. 6 with Welmu Also 6 of the nicest pros I have ever met.
Ye, i agree with Welmu being nice, met him this year and talked like an hour with him :D Really cool guy.
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On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB.
I like him more for all the hard work he does and money and time he invests, but whatever your reason...
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:54 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB. It's a similar reason of why I respect Inno he had the chance to keep getting easy money but he refused because he prioritises winning and getting better.
Inno sux
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On October 13 2014 08:54 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB. It's a similar reason of why I respect Inno he had the chance to keep getting easy money but he refused because he prioritises winning and getting better.
I hope JD makes the right decision when his EG contract ends
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:54 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB. It's a similar reason of why I respect Inno he had the chance to keep getting easy money but he refused because he prioritises winning and getting better.
Yugioh one true platonic.
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On October 13 2014 08:54 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:54 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
WCS EU wont even change. The people complaining will get just as rekt next year by the same people that did it this year. Heck the only reason I'm not moving our guys over to US or EU is because I'd rather they get better against good opponents on ladder. This is why I like TB. It's a similar reason of why I respect Inno he had the chance to keep getting easy money but he refused because he prioritises winning and getting better. Inno sux
Such a hater
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On October 13 2014 08:49 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? so the only foreigners that are actually good
It makes sense. Imagine StarCraft as a toilet.
To piss in the toilet, if male, you need the seat up. To shit in the toilet, or take a piss as Scarlett, you need the seat down. So 1v1's are a competition where one person is trying to piss in the toilet and one person is trying to shit in the toilet. Now if you're up against someone who's really good at dropping the seat, and you want to piss, you're never going to have a chance, and all the urine buildup inside you makes you really salty about all these newcomers who are trying to shit in your toilet. But if you're more or less on even terms, or a little bit behind, you actually welcome the opportunity to practice your strength by trying to hold the seat up while you take your piss and deny your opponent the ability to shit in the toilet.
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On October 13 2014 08:53 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:52 Luolis wrote:On October 13 2014 08:51 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:50 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:49 Wintex wrote:On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? Harstem is usually pretty cool with it, isn't he. yea, so thats 3. 4 Kpop scarlett best girl also 5 with TLO. 6 with Welmu Also 6 of the nicest pros I have ever met.
God, I wish I had the opportunity to meet all the pros. Would be such a great experience
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Oh, how much I like marine tank
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United States97276 Posts
Polt is a marine tank specialist
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On October 13 2014 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:49 Deathstar wrote:On October 13 2014 08:48 stuchiu wrote:On October 13 2014 08:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 13 2014 08:44 AWalker9 wrote:On October 13 2014 08:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh cool, let's indulge in a bunch of foreigner bashing!
I really have no issue with the WCS system if the players from Kr contribute to the development of that scene, but what we have seen is not really the case.
Is it any coincidence that for my money the European scene depth-wise is even more pronounced compared to NA? Scarlett and a few others aside it seems that EU has benefitted from a solid Korean contingent based in Europe and playing on the ladder.
For whatever reason you haven't seen the same in NA, is it really so unreasonably to actively intervene to try and create that kind of environment? Dayshi earlier was complaining about WCS EU where the Koreans live in Europe That's his opinion, I can't consume 100% of all SC content or speak for everyone, the impression I got is that foreign pros welcome a hefty Korean contingent on ladder/in their region for latency-free high level practice and it had a positive effect. The only ones I know that liked the Koreans coming over was Bunny and Snute? so the only foreigners that are actually good It makes sense. Imagine StarCraft as a toilet. To piss in the toilet, if male, you need the seat up. To shit in the toilet, or take a piss as Scarlett, you need the seat down. So 1v1's are a competition where one person is trying to piss in the toilet and one person is trying to shit in the toilet. Now if you're up against someone who's really good at dropping the seat, and you want to piss, you're never going to have a chance, and all the urine buildup inside you makes you really salty about all these newcomers who are trying to shit in your toilet. But if you're more or less on even terms, or a little bit behind, you actually welcome the opportunity to practice your strength by trying to hold the seat up while you take your piss and deny your opponent the ability to shit in the toilet.
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I don't know kev
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EPT
