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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 05 2014 20:22 GMT
#1301
On October 06 2014 05:19 atrox_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
If you all enjoyed that best of 7, don't forget to watch me get crushed by Lorning in a non Terran matchup in 45 minutes!


and where can we watch this?

http://www.twitch.tv/thetempiar
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2014 20:22 GMT
#1302
On October 06 2014 05:16 djraphi23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:10 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:04 Popkiller wrote:
btw with this win MMA joins the $300k club and passes polt. He's now 3rd behind MC and Mvp

Are you sure? Aligulac has him at 266 atm, winning should put him at 291 + 5 from Blizzcon=296. Or am I forgetting something?


Aligulac already counted his 25k$ of today. Those guys are on point. But soon he will get 300k with Blizzcon and DreamHack Winter.

Yeah, I don't doubt, that he will end up over 300k in the very near future. In general, things are looking good for him in hunting earnings, since, if I understood it correctly, he doesn't have to go to the military anymore.
djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
October 05 2014 20:23 GMT
#1303
On October 06 2014 05:18 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:16 Circumstance wrote:
MMA vs Stardust is now the ONLY Burbank match that's 100% confirmed.


I guess that's manageable for MMA. Stardust is good, but at least it's not someone like Zest


I think it's a fantastic first round for MMA. So offense to Stardust, but there are some really scary players in this top 16.
For example, Hyun being n°1 will probably have to face Jaedong or Innovation.
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 05 2014 20:23 GMT
#1304
On October 06 2014 05:20 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:15 sudete wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:13 Sakkreth wrote:
Would be kind of cool if MMA won Blizzcon.


Given that he'd probably have to beat more than a couple of top-class kespa players to do that, it would be pretty miraculous. But not many (other than Artosis) would begrudge him such a win, I guess


I wouldn't call it miraculous, Protoss hasn't been doing that good lately and it was his worst matchup. Still beating someone like Zest or cj herO might be really hard but he might not even face them. And in other matchups MMA shines and is atleast as good as anyone who will attend blizzcon not namingly soO or Innovation.

I would say MMA is only favored against Jaedong, jjakji or San.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
October 05 2014 20:24 GMT
#1305
On October 06 2014 05:20 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:15 sudete wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:13 Sakkreth wrote:
Would be kind of cool if MMA won Blizzcon.


Given that he'd probably have to beat more than a couple of top-class kespa players to do that, it would be pretty miraculous. But not many (other than Artosis) would begrudge him such a win, I guess


I wouldn't call it miraculous, Protoss hasn't been doing that good lately and it was his worst matchup. Still beating someone like Zest or cj herO might be really hard but he might not even face them. And in other matchups MMA shines and is atleast as good as anyone who will attend blizzcon not namingly soO or Innovation.


Well, Flash did destroy Zest 4-1 and that is his weakest matchup so anything can really happen.
I dont see why MMA wouldn't be able to beat him

Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 05 2014 20:24 GMT
#1306
The sentence has been executed

Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 05 2014 20:25 GMT
#1307
On October 06 2014 05:24 Boucot wrote:
The sentence has been executed

https://twitter.com/MCtoss2/status/518858906958057473

Oh god. Please tell me this didn't actually happen.

Please tell me this actually happened.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
October 05 2014 20:27 GMT
#1308
On October 06 2014 05:25 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:24 Boucot wrote:
The sentence has been executed

https://twitter.com/MCtoss2/status/518858906958057473

Oh god. Please tell me this didn't actually happen.

Please tell me this actually happened.


MC is a man of his word. I'm afraid it's too late ...
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 20:32:27
October 05 2014 20:29 GMT
#1309
On October 06 2014 05:22 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:16 djraphi23 wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:10 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:04 Popkiller wrote:
btw with this win MMA joins the $300k club and passes polt. He's now 3rd behind MC and Mvp

Are you sure? Aligulac has him at 266 atm, winning should put him at 291 + 5 from Blizzcon=296. Or am I forgetting something?


Aligulac already counted his 25k$ of today. Those guys are on point. But soon he will get 300k with Blizzcon and DreamHack Winter.

Yeah, I don't doubt, that he will end up over 300k in the very near future. In general, things are looking good for him in hunting earnings, since, if I understood it correctly, he doesn't have to go to the military anymore.


even if GSTL money isn't split evenly amongst the players, he's earned enough from GSTL to get him over 300k.

I wonder how aligulac factors team league money... Edit: looks like it doesn't.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 05 2014 20:29 GMT
#1310
On October 06 2014 05:23 djraphi23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:18 Bagration wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:16 Circumstance wrote:
MMA vs Stardust is now the ONLY Burbank match that's 100% confirmed.


I guess that's manageable for MMA. Stardust is good, but at least it's not someone like Zest


I think it's a fantastic first round for MMA. So offense to Stardust, but there are some really scary players in this top 16.
For example, Hyun being n°1 will probably have to face Jaedong or Innovation.


Admit it, from the list of players in top 16, most of the players probably wish to face JD. Maybe not Hyun, because it is ZvZ, but other than that ....
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2014 20:33 GMT
#1311
On October 06 2014 05:29 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:22 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:16 djraphi23 wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:10 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:04 Popkiller wrote:
btw with this win MMA joins the $300k club and passes polt. He's now 3rd behind MC and Mvp

Are you sure? Aligulac has him at 266 atm, winning should put him at 291 + 5 from Blizzcon=296. Or am I forgetting something?


Aligulac already counted his 25k$ of today. Those guys are on point. But soon he will get 300k with Blizzcon and DreamHack Winter.

Yeah, I don't doubt, that he will end up over 300k in the very near future. In general, things are looking good for him in hunting earnings, since, if I understood it correctly, he doesn't have to go to the military anymore.


even if GSTL money isn't split evenly amongst the players, he's earned enough from GSTL to get him over 300k.

I wonder how aligulac factors team league money...

It's usually not factored in, so that the total earnings are "earnings"+money from team+team league bonus. At least, that was my assumption.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 05 2014 20:35 GMT
#1312
MMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 05 2014 20:36 GMT
#1313
On October 06 2014 05:24 Boucot wrote:
The sentence has been executed

https://twitter.com/MCtoss2/status/518858906958057473

A little update, apparently the sentence HAS NOT been executed YET.

Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 05 2014 20:36 GMT
#1314
That picture is amazing Classic MC !
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-05 20:37:05
October 05 2014 20:36 GMT
#1315
nvm
Oh my...

Damnit, i got ninja'd
hemeh
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
October 05 2014 20:37 GMT
#1316
I have done some work here, calculating all matches in WCS EU Premier League since 2013 (and excluding some placement matches in 2013 that are not relevant) and it turns out that MMA is not only the only player to win WCS EU twice, but he also overtook MC as the player with the most wins of all time in WCS EU PL. Here is the top part of the marathon table:

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Unfortunately I don't know how to present the full table here (there are 63 players that have played in WCS EU PL so far). If anyone could help me with this, or perhaps is interested in presenting this in a table in the wiki section, I'd be happy to share the full data...



Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 05 2014 20:37 GMT
#1317
As expected, MMA came out on top

and MC is furious with yoda
prince, sweet night good
rip passion
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 05 2014 21:02 GMT
#1318
On October 06 2014 05:24 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:20 Sakkreth wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:15 sudete wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:13 Sakkreth wrote:
Would be kind of cool if MMA won Blizzcon.


Given that he'd probably have to beat more than a couple of top-class kespa players to do that, it would be pretty miraculous. But not many (other than Artosis) would begrudge him such a win, I guess


I wouldn't call it miraculous, Protoss hasn't been doing that good lately and it was his worst matchup. Still beating someone like Zest or cj herO might be really hard but he might not even face them. And in other matchups MMA shines and is atleast as good as anyone who will attend blizzcon not namingly soO or Innovation.


Well, Flash did destroy Zest 4-1 and that is his weakest matchup so anything can really happen.
I dont see why MMA wouldn't be able to beat him



MMA fan rant

+ Show Spoiler +
Given a lot of time to prepare, I suppose he would stand a chance against a PvT monster like Zest/herO. But when it comes down to playing standard, imo as a pretty hardcore fan of MMA, he is only exceptional at TvZ and late game TvT. Compared to the likes of Flash, Inno and Taeja, he doesn't fare as well against P. His play lacks some additional dimensions, perhaps the sort which leads into scouting and reacting properly to tech switches (and not A-moving into 4 colossus with only 2 vikings, or drop into a main guarded by 8 chargelots and 2 templars) and also late late game army control.

I definitely think he can beat Stardust and be a good match for any of the Terrans / Zergs other than soO, but can you imagine if he was matched up against Zest, herO or Classic? That would be extremely difficult. It's not like in TvZ where you can trust him to come up with some high percentage play like proxy rax or a well executed hellbat push and yet have a good backup with powerful macro play. It's not like in TvT where he can use well planned early game strategies to get a great advantage, or where he can anchor his game on his trademark marine-tank style.

He'll have to figure something out, and it is not gonna be as simple as pulling SCVs, or dropping at the main while pushing the third, "money widow mine shots" or EMPs on clumped up templars into viking A-move as he can with lower tier Protoss. He will probably have to rely on some tricks to Mvp his way out of those matches, if you know what I mean. I just can't imagine a world where Zest with his ridiculous army positioning and control doesn't outgun MMA in the late game.

Of course, I'd love for him to win Blizzcon and make people happy, but realistically it's going to take a fair bit of bracket luck and some phenomenal preparation. It's not impossible, and it would be truly amazing, but realistically, ugh.
Year of MaxPax
jojoqiyuji
Profile Joined October 2014
1 Post
October 06 2014 02:42 GMT
#1319
good work! MMA
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
October 11 2014 05:56 GMT
#1320
On October 06 2014 06:02 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:24 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:20 Sakkreth wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:15 sudete wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:13 Sakkreth wrote:
Would be kind of cool if MMA won Blizzcon.


Given that he'd probably have to beat more than a couple of top-class kespa players to do that, it would be pretty miraculous. But not many (other than Artosis) would begrudge him such a win, I guess


I wouldn't call it miraculous, Protoss hasn't been doing that good lately and it was his worst matchup. Still beating someone like Zest or cj herO might be really hard but he might not even face them. And in other matchups MMA shines and is atleast as good as anyone who will attend blizzcon not namingly soO or Innovation.


Well, Flash did destroy Zest 4-1 and that is his weakest matchup so anything can really happen.
I dont see why MMA wouldn't be able to beat him



MMA fan rant

+ Show Spoiler +
Given a lot of time to prepare, I suppose he would stand a chance against a PvT monster like Zest/herO. But when it comes down to playing standard, imo as a pretty hardcore fan of MMA, he is only exceptional at TvZ and late game TvT. Compared to the likes of Flash, Inno and Taeja, he doesn't fare as well against P. His play lacks some additional dimensions, perhaps the sort which leads into scouting and reacting properly to tech switches (and not A-moving into 4 colossus with only 2 vikings, or drop into a main guarded by 8 chargelots and 2 templars) and also late late game army control.

I definitely think he can beat Stardust and be a good match for any of the Terrans / Zergs other than soO, but can you imagine if he was matched up against Zest, herO or Classic? That would be extremely difficult. It's not like in TvZ where you can trust him to come up with some high percentage play like proxy rax or a well executed hellbat push and yet have a good backup with powerful macro play. It's not like in TvT where he can use well planned early game strategies to get a great advantage, or where he can anchor his game on his trademark marine-tank style.

He'll have to figure something out, and it is not gonna be as simple as pulling SCVs, or dropping at the main while pushing the third, "money widow mine shots" or EMPs on clumped up templars into viking A-move as he can with lower tier Protoss. He will probably have to rely on some tricks to Mvp his way out of those matches, if you know what I mean. I just can't imagine a world where Zest with his ridiculous army positioning and control doesn't outgun MMA in the late game.

Of course, I'd love for him to win Blizzcon and make people happy, but realistically it's going to take a fair bit of bracket luck and some phenomenal preparation. It's not impossible, and it would be truly amazing, but realistically, ugh.

Zest beat MMA 2-1 in GSL Global earlier this year
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