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On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
I want Flash to reinvente TvP with mech. TRUE to go full hatchery baller mode. And TY to play a mindblowingly good TvZ. I like both teams so I win. (kinda pullin for KT though for the telecom rivalry!)
I think this lines up really well for Jin Air at least on paper. sOs vs Flash will be crucial, but I feel like sOs has the edge. Cure should have the advantage over hitmaN, TRUE/Stats is too close to call, I'd favor TY over Rogue, Zest is certainly favored over Avenge but Avenge has a chance because it's PvP and Maru should kill Action not because Action is bad but because Maru is Maru.
KT's lack of depth is showing in playoffs now that they're out of a Bo5 setting; Action/Sleep/hitmaN is just not a strong enough backup to their top 4.
sOs > Flash Cure > hitmaN TRUE > Stats Rogue < TY Avenge < Zest Maru > Action
You know its getting serious when they let hitmaN to play :D Looking forward to this, really shows that all these top 4 teams deserved to be here, the games have been very close in both semis!
On July 29 2014 02:40 sharkie wrote: Did KT seriously decide to BENCH Sleep after wasting Stats' spot for him today? Man what a crazy coaching staff...
Yeah, this is confusing. As much as I wanted Sleep to play, sending him against the #1 Terran after two ZvP's... Why not Action, Stats or anyone else? Saving TY for later and starting with Sleep might've worked out nicely. And now hitmaN?
What the balls is Action doing playing against Maru? I'm hoping they've been training a snipe build for him for the last week which includes the inevitable proxy rax build defense.
On July 29 2014 03:06 caznitch wrote: What the balls is Action doing playing against Maru? I'm hoping they've been training a snipe build for him for the last week which includes the inevitable proxy rax build defense.
Haha action will win rhe guy is nuts :-P im afraid about the others tho
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
In case of 3-2 situation in such an important game, Maru is probably the most likely to perform strongest under pressure! He's Mister I don't give a fuck !
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
In case of 3-2 situation in such an important game, Maru is probably the most likely to perform strongest under pressure! He's Mister I don't give a fuck !
Well, he is also Mister I'm-Gonna-Do-a-Build-With-Low-Winchance-Rather-Than-Bring-In-A-Safe-Win-Against-An-Inferior-Player.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
In case of 3-2 situation in such an important game, Maru is probably the most likely to perform strongest under pressure! He's Mister I don't give a fuck !
Yeah, I think this is partly it. Also, I think he can be seen as a safe pair of hands to stave off an ace match in the event Jin Air are a game up before he plays; or, he can secure the ace match if they're a game behind, and maybe come straight out as the ace player immediately afterwards. I think it's quite a smart choice.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
In case of 3-2 situation in such an important game, Maru is probably the most likely to perform strongest under pressure! He's Mister I don't give a fuck !
Well, he is also Mister I'm-Gonna-Do-a-Build-With-Low-Winchance-Rather-Than-Bring-In-A-Safe-Win-Against-An-Inferior-Player.
Maru likes taking calculated risks. It's what makes him very unpredictable and even more intimidating as an apponent. He can beat you lategame with ease, so you might want to secure every advantage you can get. Sadly, he is more than willing to completely destroy you with an aggressive opening. It's what keeps his opponents honest. MVP used to do it, but I think Maru does it even better.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
In case of 3-2 situation in such an important game, Maru is probably the most likely to perform strongest under pressure! He's Mister I don't give a fuck !
Yeah, I think this is partly it. Also, I think he can be seen as a safe pair of hands to stave off an ace match in the event Jin Air are a game up before he plays; or, he can secure the ace match if they're a game behind, and maybe come straight out as the ace player immediately afterwards. I think it's quite a smart choice.
And you always keep the pressure on KT to close the series fast because Maru will 90% take his game and both Maru and SoS (possible True too) have no equal in KT except for possibly (the predictable choice of) Zest.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
Okay. It takes a SK Telecom T1 fan to explain this properly. If KT had certain players such as hitman developing snipe builds for Maru then GW played it smart and said, "hey they won't expect our best guy to be on the last map." So if hitman was planning a build for Maru it is now wasted on Cure. However, KT was smart and stuck action last as they are confident in his abilities and also probably has a snipe build prepared. Basically both coaches are trying to outsmart each other. Many would argue GW got the better match ups, but KT has some of the best line up coaches in the history of Starcraft and it definitely shows here.
The far fetched but still possible theory is that January swapped out the lineups with her own custom GW trollerary lineups.
My initial thought when I looked at the lineups was "damn this is going to be really bad for KT."
But thinking about it more, KT needs to prove they are worth being in the finals. Day 1 had great matchups for KT, day two our ace couldn't go the distance... the last couple of rounds have been so-so for the team... this is the chance for us to show we can handle the pressure and be clutch. Win or lose, I think it will say a lot about the state of the team and for that reason I'm actually really excited.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
i dont see the logics behind preferring any spot above any other to any meaningfull degree at all
It does matter to a certain extent if you believe other matches affect the player in the booth. For instance, if Maru comes out and dominates the first game, does the rest of Jin Air play better than if they are down 0-1? Or, knowing Maru is likely to win set 6, does a player think "if I can just bring it to set 6 we can win" and somehow play more determined/in the zone?
Obviously these are just guesses and may not reflect actuality, but I believe player order matters to an extent. It may, it may not though.
sOs > Flash Cure >> hitmaN TRUE ? Stats Rogue ? TY Avenge << Zest Maru >> Action
There are a few that are easy to call, one that I'm willing to call that isn't so easy, and two that I seriously have no idea what to expect. I definitely think that Jin Air has a huge advantage with this lineup.
The first map will be really important. I could see KT still win even if FlaSh lost (with Stats, TY and Zest winning their games), but if FlaSh could show everyone why he was called the Ultimate Weapon, it would definitely help his team a great deal.
I'm also super curious to see if KT had the time to prepare some more stuff (island expo, proxy, any kind of snipe build) as IMHO they had the advantage on the preparation front in day 1.
Can't wait ! HYPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!
Gogogogo KT, for an all telecom finals on floating fucking islands !
On July 29 2014 16:41 Shellshock wrote: write good recaps so I don't have to watch the VODs since Maru won't get a chance to play after Jin Air wins 4-0 anyways
Sos gonna kill Flash so hard he bribgs JA up 2-0 and KT start crying
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
Okay. It takes a SK Telecom T1 fan to explain this properly. If KT had certain players such as hitman developing snipe builds for Maru then GW played it smart and said, "hey they won't expect our best guy to be on the last map." So if hitman was planning a build for Maru it is now wasted on Cure. However, KT was smart and stuck action last as they are confident in his abilities and also probably has a snipe build prepared. Basically both coaches are trying to outsmart each other. Many would argue GW got the better match ups, but KT has some of the best line up coaches in the history of Starcraft and it definitely shows here.
The far fetched but still possible theory is that January swapped out the lineups with her own custom GW trollerary lineups.
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
Okay. It takes a SK Telecom T1 fan to explain this properly. If KT had certain players such as hitman developing snipe builds for Maru then GW played it smart and said, "hey they won't expect our best guy to be on the last map." So if hitman was planning a build for Maru it is now wasted on Cure. However, KT was smart and stuck action last as they are confident in his abilities and also probably has a snipe build prepared. Basically both coaches are trying to outsmart each other. Many would argue GW got the better match ups, but KT has some of the best line up coaches in the history of Starcraft and it definitely shows here.
The far fetched but still possible theory is that January swapped out the lineups with her own custom GW trollerary lineups.
OK I see, thanks for the insight ^_^
I miss the days of January, those were the biggest "WTF" moments in the SPL for me
On July 29 2014 04:42 meshfusion wrote: I dont understand the logics behind playing maru for last... seems absurd. Can someone enlighten me?
Okay. It takes a SK Telecom T1 fan to explain this properly. If KT had certain players such as hitman developing snipe builds for Maru then GW played it smart and said, "hey they won't expect our best guy to be on the last map." So if hitman was planning a build for Maru it is now wasted on Cure. However, KT was smart and stuck action last as they are confident in his abilities and also probably has a snipe build prepared. Basically both coaches are trying to outsmart each other. Many would argue GW got the better match ups, but KT has some of the best line up coaches in the history of Starcraft and it definitely shows here.
The far fetched but still possible theory is that January swapped out the lineups with her own custom GW trollerary lineups.
(Vote): 10 minute lame cheese game (Vote): Good macro game but sOs win in the end (Vote): Flash is so gosu he wins (Vote): OMG the meta is totally changed forever
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
On July 29 2014 18:31 Gwavajuice wrote: while waiting, what do you think?
Poll: Flash vs sOs Prediction
10 minute lame cheese game (7)
44%
Good macro game but sOs win in the end (4)
25%
OMG the meta is totally changed forever (3)
19%
Flash is so gosu he wins (2)
13%
16 total votes
Your vote: Flash vs sOs Prediction
(Vote): 10 minute lame cheese game (Vote): Good macro game but sOs win in the end (Vote): Flash is so gosu he wins (Vote): OMG the meta is totally changed forever
where's the "super-tasty-cheddar into the most sloppily entertaining back-and-forth game of all time" option?
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
On July 29 2014 18:31 Gwavajuice wrote: while waiting, what do you think?
Poll: Flash vs sOs Prediction
10 minute lame cheese game (7)
44%
Good macro game but sOs win in the end (4)
25%
OMG the meta is totally changed forever (3)
19%
Flash is so gosu he wins (2)
13%
16 total votes
Your vote: Flash vs sOs Prediction
(Vote): 10 minute lame cheese game (Vote): Good macro game but sOs win in the end (Vote): Flash is so gosu he wins (Vote): OMG the meta is totally changed forever
where's the "super-tasty-cheddar into the most sloppily entertaining back-and-forth game of all time" option?
Or the...Flash 15CCs and dies to 3 stalker harass >.<
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
I don't see miso anywhere.
We should probably be thankful for that.
wait, he's still with KT? Has he even played a single Proleague game at all?
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
well, then Rain wil lsay "yes ofc it s worst than BL infestor"
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
I thought SKT will lose the finals because the majority of their team chokes so hard in finals.
So stoked for sOs-Flash, everyone's saying Jin Air, that's what I thought too coming into the playoffs but now that I see the lineups, honestly, I see a lot of risk factors for Jin Air. KT have led with their big 4 and unlike many I actually I think they landed some pretty good matchups. If KT take a big early lead that will put a lot of pressure on Jin Air. Putting Maru last is another risk, the first risk is of course he doesn't get to play at all, the second is that his 2-rax runs into a pool first
But if it goes to the ace match, which I think has a pretty good chance of happening, I think Jin Air will have it in the bag. So really hard to call, that's what makes it exciting! 4-3 Jin Air, I think.
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
I don't see miso anywhere.
We should probably be thankful for that.
wait, he's still with KT? Has he even played a single Proleague game at all?
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
well, then Rain wil lsay "yes ofc it s worst than BL infestor"
Yeah and we ll laugh, throwing rotten tomatoes at him
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
I don't see miso anywhere.
We should probably be thankful for that.
wait, he's still with KT? Has he even played a single Proleague game at all?
Not that I can remember.
Liquipedia confirmed. None. But then, remember Tails.
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
I don't see miso anywhere.
We should probably be thankful for that.
wait, he's still with KT? Has he even played a single Proleague game at all?
Not that I can remember.
I don't know how he looks so I can't tell if he is at the studio for Proleague matches. Afaik he could have left a long time ago and we just never noticed
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
well, then Rain wil lsay "yes ofc it s worst than BL infestor"
Yeah and we ll laugh, throwing rotten tomatoes at him
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
On July 29 2014 18:32 Yello wrote: I love that both Jin Air and KT play all their Terrans every match. Time for more great games like the last two matches!
SKT T1 will losse the grand finals because of their lack of terrans muhahahaha
well, then Rain wil lsay "yes ofc it s worst than BL infestor"
Yeah and we ll laugh, throwing rotten tomatoes at him
Sorry the tomatoes will be fresh
Can't we mix Fresh and Rotten ones? So it s a bit like a surprise after each tomato thrown ^^
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
I think they just think that multiple bo's in the finals destroys the hype. And I agree.
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
More suspense in the finals, if it was BO3, in the second match you wouldn't be sure if the second series was the last one (and you needed to hype it) or if there would be a third series to hype more.
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
It's like that in football champions league as well.
Bo3 is fairer as it is more protected from variance, i.e. the better team wins more often. But Bo1 is more exciting than Bo3 as the stakes are higher. Hence, this format makes it easier for the best teams to get to the finals, and the finals becomes one epic showdown.
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
On July 29 2014 18:42 Schelim wrote: random question: why are the playoff matches a bo3 of bo7s but then the final is just 1 bo7? doesn't seem very logical to me.
On July 29 2014 18:48 Pandemona wrote: Wow Templar dropping the ball, me and Lorning need take you outside of LR Class and beat you down i think Also WTF Flash is so far ahead now omg xD
On July 29 2014 18:48 Pandemona wrote: Wow Templar dropping the ball, me and Lorning need take you outside of LR Class and beat you down i think Also WTF Flash is so far ahead now omg xD
there's an LR class? If so I'm probably the kind of student who showed up once at the beginning of the semester and then disappeared
Flash hit a stim timinig which caught sOs with his pant sdown and killed 16 probes at the natural Not helped by sOs who FF'd his ramp thinking Flash was going to make a b line for his main which didn't happen Flash is poking around which his army now at the 3rd and dropping multiple times 3rd goes down again for sOs after being sniped by Flash sOs is down 30 supply after engage at the 3rd Storms and Colli dieing to MMM + Viking + GHOSTS Yes, Flash made Ghosts at the right time sOs still can't keep Flash back and get his 3rd as again he forces GG is called.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
17 probes dead -> game over. It was decided by the stim push...
Edit: Same way mines decided games earlier in the HotS, when they killed 8 - 12 probes by mine drops and the game was over going into another 10 useless minutes
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
He scanned it and saw the chrono on Psi Storm. Dropped ghost acad straight away and pushed.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
He scanned it and saw the chrono on Psi Storm. Dropped ghost acad straight away and pushed.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
Yes, he scanned it when it was being Chrono'd. Immediately threw down a Ghost Academy and moved his army to sOs' third.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
Hahaha
What's so funny?
Flash winning that much
Flash only wins
All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again
Guys, yes it's an upset and that's why it's really a strong performance from flash and he deserves a lot of credit for this. It's not like he defeated some second class protoss....
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
On July 29 2014 18:54 Arceus wrote: sOs plays a surprsingly orthodox game and gets owned ehhh
that BO is not orthodox... blink into robo is the standard
Robo into blink, you mean?
No, you go blink for defense and threatening blinkall in then you go double forge colossus
that's not the most common BO..
blink is definitely standard
Yeah. I am just saying that the most typical BO is to open Robo observer then go into Blink/Colossus. The Blink pressure/all-in builds have fallen out of favour mostly
On July 29 2014 18:54 Dodgin wrote: Flash is the god of starcraft, he was always going to win. If KT could field Flash 6 times in a proleague match KT would never lose.
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
He scanned it and saw the chrono on Psi Storm. Dropped ghost acad straight away and pushed.
ah, that's a cool scan.
That scan did nto matter at all. 17 probes dead left sOs so far behind, Flash could go full foreigner and could not lose
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
He scanned it and saw the chrono on Psi Storm. Dropped ghost acad straight away and pushed.
ah, that's a cool scan.
That scan did nto matter at all. 17 probes dead left sOs so far behind, Flash could go full foreigner and could not lose
On July 29 2014 18:55 Exarl25 wrote: Flash was completely on point there. Scouted out everything and responded to it perfectly. sOs cut too many Gateway units to get Storm that fast, as soon as Flash saw the chrono on the Archives he went for it, Colossi were easy prey with so few units supporting them. Once the Colossi count is reset and Storms all gone, endless bio is going to just roll on through.
Did he see the Archives? It looked more like Flash just did too much damage early and sOs just couldn't get his build going, had to cut upgrades, blink and stalkers and just got owned.
He scanned it and saw the chrono on Psi Storm. Dropped ghost acad straight away and pushed.
ah, that's a cool scan.
That scan did nto matter at all. 17 probes dead left sOs so far behind, Flash could go full foreigner and could not lose
hitmaN spawns in the bottom left Cure spawns in the top left
2:00 Cure getting a barracks followed by a refinery. hitmaN opening with a hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Reaper for Cure.
3:00 Reaper gets into the main base and shoots at a drone. Zergling speed for hitmaN. Cure getting a CC and a factory.
4:00 Reactor on the barracks after the second reaper. hitmaN using a queen on high ground to try to kill a reaper but it fails.
5:00 Third CC for Cure. hitmaN getting an extra queen. Two hellions on the way for Cure. Cure scouts the main again. Third base for hitmaN.
On July 29 2014 19:04 Pandemona wrote: I don't like Terran who only open 1reaper into factory ;_;
I prefer Terrans who don't go reapers in TvZ at all and instead build marines. Zergs get way too greedy with their first overlord, it's so easy to snipe them with 2 early marines. Also no Zerg loses anything against Reapers at all anymore (except for that one poor guy on the ladder yesterday who lost 6 drones to 2 reapers and then ragequit)
On July 29 2014 19:04 Pandemona wrote: I don't like Terran who only open 1reaper into factory ;_;
I prefer Terrans who don't go reapers in TvZ at all and instead build marines. Zergs get way too greedy with their first overlord, it's so easy to snipe them with 2 early marines. Also no Zerg loses anything against Reapers at all anymore (except for that one poor guy on the ladder yesterday who lost 6 drones to 2 reapers and then ragequit)
Yeah but Reaper for scouting more important, also the reaper x3 and the 4-6hellion push is where you can do damage is why i like it LOL Cure thinks all in is incoming xD
On July 29 2014 19:04 Pandemona wrote: I don't like Terran who only open 1reaper into factory ;_;
I prefer Terrans who don't go reapers in TvZ at all and instead build marines. Zergs get way too greedy with their first overlord, it's so easy to snipe them with 2 early marines. Also no Zerg loses anything against Reapers at all anymore (except for that one poor guy on the ladder yesterday who lost 6 drones to 2 reapers and then ragequit)
Yeah but Reaper for scouting more important, also the reaper x3 and the 4-6hellion push is where you can do damage is why i like it
but there's not much to scout with reapers that early. I mean who does 10pools anyways? The really important scouting happens when hellions are out so you can use them instead
hitmaN spawns in the bottom left Cure spawns in the top left
2:00 Cure getting a barracks followed by a refinery. hitmaN opening with a hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Reaper for Cure.
3:00 Reaper gets into the main base and shoots at a drone. Zergling speed for hitmaN. Cure getting a CC and a factory.
4:00 Reactor on the barracks after the second reaper. hitmaN using a queen on high ground to try to kill a reaper but it fails.
5:00 Third CC for Cure. hitmaN getting an extra queen. Two hellions on the way for Cure. Cure scouts the main again. Third base for hitmaN.
6:00 Stim for Cure. Cure adding on two barracks. hitmaN building a roach warren.
7:00 hitmaN 60 vs Cure 46 Hellions scout and missed the third. Two engineering bays on the way for Cure. hitmaN getting 7 roaches and a spore crawler. Starport for Cure. hitmaN getting a lair.
8:00 hitmaN 80 vs Cure 58 Cure scans and sees roaches. +1/1 for Cure. hitmaN getting two evolution chambers. hitmaN adding on two extractors. +1/1 with ranged attack for hitmaN. Cure sacrifices his second reaper to scout the natural. hitmaN getting a macro hatchery at his third. Cure going for an attack on the third of hitmaN as hitmaN moves out.
10:00 hitmaN 112 vs Cure 91 Cure attacks with a bunch of bio and some hellions. Cure nearly snipes the third, but picks up and goes to the natural. Cure reinforcing from the back. Cure moves back to the third and kills it before going back.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
hitmaN spawns in the bottom left Cure spawns in the top left
2:00 Cure getting a barracks followed by a refinery. hitmaN opening with a hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Reaper for Cure.
3:00 Reaper gets into the main base and shoots at a drone. Zergling speed for hitmaN. Cure getting a CC and a factory.
4:00 Reactor on the barracks after the second reaper. hitmaN using a queen on high ground to try to kill a reaper but it fails.
5:00 Third CC for Cure. hitmaN getting an extra queen. Two hellions on the way for Cure. Cure scouts the main again. Third base for hitmaN.
6:00 Stim for Cure. Cure adding on two barracks. hitmaN building a roach warren.
7:00 hitmaN 60 vs Cure 46 Hellions scout and missed the third. Two engineering bays on the way for Cure. hitmaN getting 7 roaches and a spore crawler. Starport for Cure. hitmaN getting a lair.
8:00 hitmaN 80 vs Cure 58 Cure scans and sees roaches. +1/1 for Cure. hitmaN getting two evolution chambers. hitmaN adding on two extractors. +1/1 with ranged attack for hitmaN. Cure sacrifices his second reaper to scout the natural. hitmaN getting a macro hatchery at his third. Cure going for an attack on the third of hitmaN as hitmaN moves out.
10:00 hitmaN 112 vs Cure 91 Cure attacks with a bunch of bio and some hellions. Cure nearly snipes the third, but picks up and goes to the natural. Cure reinforcing from the back. Cure moves back to the third and kills it before going back.
11:00 hitmaN 133vs Cure 110 hitmaN going for a counter-attack. Cure getting some bunkers. Cure is missing a bit of his army. SCVs are pulled.
12:00 hitmaN 124 vs Cure 88 Widow mines are targeted by hitmaN. Cure loses 21 SCVs but has his third. Cure going for the third base. Cure moving his army back to kill the roaches but hitmaN has more roaches than expected and lots of marines fall.
13:00 hitmaN 146 vs Cure 77 hitmaN kills all of the bio and moves into the natural and main base. Cure trying to defend with the units coming out of his barracks but hitmaN moves his roaches all around the production. hitmaN getting 6 spore crawlers for some reason. Cure GG's! hitmaN gives his team a 2-0 lead!
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
But he actually had more than enough to hold, he just straight up took a fight he didn't have to in a terrible position that he had absolutely no chance of winning. A complete misjudgement of army strengths that should not happen at pro level.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
isn't it common to get like 5-7 Roaches to fight off that medivac timing plus the hellion/reaper timing?
On July 29 2014 19:11 SatedSC2 wrote: Do you believe in a thing called Roach?
ahaha that killed me
by the way, i don't think it takes a pro level to understand CURE fucked up. I am mid-master T and when I saw him attack down the ramp with mostly marines into a huge roach concave I thought he was gonna loose the game, this is how things spiral out of control. He also could have pulled back from the 3rd instead he took a TERRIBLE fight.
Truthfully, this game was more thrown away by CURE than won by Hitman.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
isn't it common to get like 5-7 Roaches to fight off that medivac timing plus the hellion/reaper timing?
By the time he sniped the third he saw that hitmaN had a LOT more than 7 roaches though.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
That is Code S Terran for you, right there!
no idea how he made it into code s xD
Well to be honest, everyone has their bad day or bad tournament. Cure obviously isn't playing well in Proleague, let's just say that he isn't good in Proleague.
On July 29 2014 19:13 TheDwf wrote: Maru as last player might turn into a hilarious disaster.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
isn't it common to get like 5-7 Roaches to fight off that medivac timing plus the hellion/reaper timing?
yes man of course, but the mistakes that cure made are just frustrating to watch.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
That is Code S Terran for you, right there!
no idea how he made it into code s xD
Well to be honest, everyone has their bad day or bad tournament. Cure obviously isn't playing well in Proleague, let's just say that he isn't good in Proleague.
Everyone knows that you are not kidding. Protoss could win 100% of the tournaments and rank 2nd, 3rd and 4th and you would still be. Wow man, supreme Protoss success due to superior play.
Your spoilered "just kidding ofcourse" is no excuse to talk bullshit.
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
isn't it common to get like 5-7 Roaches to fight off that medivac timing plus the hellion/reaper timing?
By the time he sniped the third he saw that hitmaN had a LOT more than 7 roaches though.
And he did everything right there by retreating and setting up bunkers. But taking that fight at the bottom of the ramp against a big concave, when he could have stayed with his mines. He barely lost that fight, which would have been a crushing victory had hitman gone up the ramp into the mines...
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
That is Code S Terran for you, right there!
no idea how he made it into code s xD
He beat Impact and hydra...
Calm down guys, Cure is a solid player and he's not the first nor the last terran to loose a roach push.... no need to make a small of him just because of this loss
On July 29 2014 19:15 Pandemona wrote: Why didn't Cure just snipe the one overseer and then dive into the bunkers, he didn't once try and get into the bunkers until it was to late ;_;
Because Hitman was positioning his roaches to block the marines/marauders from going into the bunkers.
It was actually very obvious that he was doing this, was I the only one who caught it?
On July 29 2014 19:13 CakeSauc3 wrote: Really question why Jin Air would field Maru last... and they're going to start questioning it now, as well.
What does it matter? It's not all kill format.
Putting your best players in games that might not happen is terrible selection policy. It'd be like putting your best striker 5th in a penalty shootout.
Well, you place your players based on their mental state not their quality(obv. they have quality since they are in A team). If the player is able to handle the possible pressure being the last one and the one who has to score he goes last. As you can see Cure could not handle being second, how would he handled being the last when he has to win? ;-)
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
he thought hitmaN would drone after the first big roach push but hitmaN just kept building Roaches so Cure didn't build tanks and didn't stay defensive. Critical misjudgment by Cure
who stays defensive when he opens up roaches? also this misjudgement on the ramp was crucial stutter stepping down a ramp into a concave of roaches. my mind = blown
isn't it common to get like 5-7 Roaches to fight off that medivac timing plus the hellion/reaper timing?
By the time he sniped the third he saw that hitmaN had a LOT more than 7 roaches though.
And he did everything right there by retreating and setting up bunkers. But taking that fight at the bottom of the ramp against a big concave, when he could have stayed with his mines. He barely lost that fight, which would have been a crushing victory had hitman gone up the ramp into the mines...
Oh I agree completely. That's why i'm confused he went down the ramp. He knew exactly what was there :S
Everyone knows that you are not kidding. Protoss could win 100% of the tournaments and rank 2nd, 3rd and 4th and you would still be. Wow man, supreme Protoss success due to superior play.
Your spoilered "just kidding ofcourse" is no excuse to talk bullshit.
calm down man. i know this time was rough for you when yo ucasted pvp after pvp after pvp, but everyone does these jokes here and there
On July 29 2014 19:15 Pandemona wrote: Why didn't Cure just snipe the one overseer and then dive into the bunkers, he didn't once try and get into the bunkers until it was to late ;_;
Because Hitman was positioning his roaches to block the marines/marauders from going into the bunkers.
It was actually very obvious that he was doing this, was I the only one who caught it?
No im on about when they were fighting on the rocks before he let the rocks up. He kept trying to position his mines more than micro his bio for me. There he was waiting for the bunkers to finish, soon as they did he should of sniped the overseer, dived into the bunker and then began planting his mines imo. Firebear ins bunkers with SCVs being pulled should of held that.
Everyone knows that you are not kidding. Protoss could win 100% of the tournaments and rank 2nd, 3rd and 4th and you would still be. Wow man, supreme Protoss success due to superior play.
Your spoilered "just kidding ofcourse" is no excuse to talk bullshit.
If you really want to infiltrate aiur soon you need to be nicer to protoss
On July 29 2014 19:10 Undead1993 wrote: so many mistakes by cure, i don't understand it
That is Code S Terran for you, right there!
no idea how he made it into code s xD
Well to be honest, everyone has their bad day or bad tournament. Cure obviously isn't playing well in Proleague, let's just say that he isn't good in Proleague.
On July 29 2014 19:13 TheDwf wrote: Maru as last player might turn into a hilarious disaster.
Yeah, I have no idea why they did this...
Isn't is obvious? They thought for sure they'd take at least 2 wins..
It is obvious, but that is pretty big gamble and overconfidence. You shouldn't be doing this when matches are this important...
On July 29 2014 19:21 sixfour wrote: have they redesigned the units, or are they playing with some terrible terrible mod that makes the workers look awful?
The hats?
It's to celebrate SC2's 4th birthday. Looks like they'll keep em all week.
Stats spawns in the top right TRUE spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Oh hey look, TRUE is scouting early. Gateway first for TRUE. Proxy hatchery first for TRUE. Stats almost scouts the hatchery with a probe but pulls out. Stats scouts nothing in the main and finds the proxy hatchery.
3:00 Stats pulls 10 probes to kill the hatchery. TRUE expands to his natural. Evolution chamber block as well. Third hatchery in the third base of TRUE as well as a spawning pool and an extractor. Stats expands.
4:00 Zealot moving out for Stats. Spawning pool is not finished yet. Stats checks the third and moves towards the gold with his zealot.
5:00 Zealot going back home. 3 queens and zergling speed for TRUE. Mothership core on the way for Stats. Stats getting a forge.
Stats spawns in the top right TRUE spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Oh hey look, TRUE is scouting early. Gateway first for TRUE. Proxy hatchery first for TRUE. Stats almost scouts the hatchery with a probe but pulls out. Stats scouts nothing in the main and finds the proxy hatchery.
3:00 Stats pulls 10 probes to kill the hatchery. TRUE expands to his natural. Evolution chamber block as well. Third hatchery in the third base of TRUE as well as a spawning pool and an extractor. Stats expands.
4:00 Zealot moving out for Stats. Spawning pool is not finished yet. Stats checks the third and moves towards the gold with his zealot.
5:00 Zealot going back home. 3 queens and zergling speed for TRUE. Mothership core on the way for Stats. Stats getting a forge.
6:00 Roach warren for TRUE. Stats adding on two gateways. +1 attack for Stats.
7:00 Stats 50 vs TRUE 47 TRUE making 10 roaches. Stats moving out with some units. TRUE scouting. Stats wants to take his third base. Roaches move out and meet the stalker. Stats decides not to take the third.
8:00 Stats 70 vs TRUE 85 Twilight council for Stats. TRUE getting a bunch of drones. Stats lands good force fields as TRUE moves in and TRUE backs up. Robotics facility and +2 attack for Stats. Stats trying to move out to take his third. More zergling/roach makes its way to Stats' natural. Fourth base for TRUE.
10:00 Stats 97 vs TRUE 101 Stats getting blink. Stats finally takes his third base. Lair on the way for TRUE. TRUE getting +1 melee attack. +2 is half done for Stats.
When the Protoss fully walls off with Forcefields like that why do Zergs push up against them and allow so many free hits rather than just move out of range until they expire? See it all the time and really don't understand it.
Stats spawns in the top right TRUE spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Oh hey look, TRUE is scouting early. Gateway first for TRUE. Proxy hatchery first for TRUE. Stats almost scouts the hatchery with a probe but pulls out. Stats scouts nothing in the main and finds the proxy hatchery.
3:00 Stats pulls 10 probes to kill the hatchery. TRUE expands to his natural. Evolution chamber block as well. Third hatchery in the third base of TRUE as well as a spawning pool and an extractor. Stats expands.
4:00 Zealot moving out for Stats. Spawning pool is not finished yet. Stats checks the third and moves towards the gold with his zealot.
5:00 Zealot going back home. 3 queens and zergling speed for TRUE. Mothership core on the way for Stats. Stats getting a forge.
6:00 Roach warren for TRUE. Stats adding on two gateways. +1 attack for Stats.
7:00 Stats 50 vs TRUE 47 TRUE making 10 roaches. Stats moving out with some units. TRUE scouting. Stats wants to take his third base. Roaches move out and meet the stalker. Stats decides not to take the third.
8:00 Stats 70 vs TRUE 85 Twilight council for Stats. TRUE getting a bunch of drones. Stats lands good force fields as TRUE moves in and TRUE backs up. Robotics facility and +2 attack for Stats. Stats trying to move out to take his third. More zergling/roach makes its way to Stats' natural. Fourth base for TRUE.
10:00 Stats 97 vs TRUE 101 Stats getting blink. Stats finally takes his third base. Lair on the way for TRUE. TRUE getting +1 melee attack. +2 is half done for Stats.
11:00 Stats 107 vs TRUE 132 Stats adding four gateways. Warp prism for Stats. +1 armor for TRUE. TRUE getting roach speed. Spire for TRUE.
12:00 Stats 115 vs TRUE 150 Stats has 8 sentries. TRUE has 100 zerglings and 5 roaches. No, seriously.
13:00 Stats 132 vs TRUE 179 Spire finishing for TRUE. Stats moving towards the third/fourth. Stats on 19 stalker. Spire is still finishing. TRUE tries to engage with mass zerglings but force fields land. TRUE waits for the FFs to expire and moves in. All of the zerglings die but so do the sentries. Roaches are time warped.
14:00 Stats 116 vs TRUE 125 Robotics bay for Stats. Stats warps in more sentries. TRUE is making just zerglings despite having 2500 gas.
15:00 Stats 124 vs TRUE 96 Stats moving into the third eventually. TRUE runs out of larva and GG's! Stats gets KT an almost insurmountable 3-0 lead!
On July 29 2014 19:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: 4 hatch before pool. It gets silly at some point.
You can't really call it "X hatch before pool" if one of the hatches is on the other side of the map.
Well, he invested 300 minerals and almost let it finish. He basically made 4 hatcheries before spawning pool and Stats can't do a thing about it
Well you don't really have to do anything about it, super late queens and a very low drone count will put the Protoss miles ahead in tech with gateway first. If you aren't going gateway first you can do something about it.
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
True is so predictable with his builds. All of his recent games follow a simple rule, make mass mineral only units: queens, zerglings and then switch to mutas.
On July 29 2014 19:31 Exarl25 wrote: When the Protoss fully walls off with Forcefields like that why do Zergs push up against them and allow so many free hits rather than just move out of range until they expire? See it all the time and really don't understand it.
Sometimes their thoughts conflict between trying to keep the hatchery alive or trying to keep the troops alive. Of course trying to do both would mean doing both sub-par, effectively ending up with Zerg losing on both fronts but in the heat of the moment it's hard to decide on a course of action and stick to it.
What i was confused about it why he stopped at 1-1 he was sat with so much gas and minerals he should of pushed 2-2 lings and he would of got slightly better trades. But oh well he fucked up due to roach ling all in doing 0 damage lol.
Also, can someone explain me why zergs don't go away FF - in this game he was running with his zerglings around an army surrounded by forcefield wall... dafuq? Free kills ><
On July 29 2014 19:33 deacon.frost wrote: Also, can someone explain me why zergs don't go away FF - in this game he was running with his zerglings around an army surrounded by forcefield wall... dafuq? Free kills ><
there's nothing to explain just very terrible games by jin air today. no idea what happened
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
against such heavy gateway army which he knew was comming, good old infestor tech would not have been a bad choice at all especially since swarm hosts are really good on that map aswell as possible follow up.
On July 29 2014 19:31 Exarl25 wrote: When the Protoss fully walls off with Forcefields like that why do Zergs push up against them and allow so many free hits rather than just move out of range until they expire? See it all the time and really don't understand it.
Sometimes their thoughts conflict between trying to keep the hatchery alive or trying to keep the troops alive. Of course trying to do both would mean doing both sub-par, effectively ending up with Zerg losing on both fronts but in the heat of the moment it's hard to decide on a course of action and stick to it.
But there was still a good bit of space until the Stalkers would get in range of the Hatchery, and the Stalkers were trapped too. Sure they could blink forward but Blinking beyond your Forcefields into that many Zerglings doesn't seem like a good idea. True essentially threw half of his army away completely for free, not really any different in outcome from being caught on move command or something.
On July 29 2014 19:35 boxerfred wrote: Why would you put Maru in to the very last spot on the schedule by the way?
what does it matter if he wins at the beginning or doesn't win at all if all his team loses?
In the current scenario, nothing. But if you have a player who guarantees yourself pretty much a point (ofc he can get sniped, yeah, but he's Jin Air's best weapon), you would put him at least top4 so he is guaranteed to play, wouldn't you?
I think i played with that girl last night....me and 3 of my mates have no 5th so we have to pug and oh my gosh the amount of guys who just go 0-5 within first 5minutes and then quit is unreal xD
"And comeback tomorrow when we will show you again this stupid DotA 2 commercial, where my teacher "TOP TIER" teaches me the art of feeding, dying and blocking myself with the wards in the trees."
dont understand why true gave up his position in front of the hatch.... sure the fight was close nad he wanted reinforcements but how could he not know that once he goes to the left of the hatch he's just going to get forcefielded and the worst case for toss is killing the hatch + a lot of drones
On July 29 2014 19:35 boxerfred wrote: Why would you put Maru in to the very last spot on the schedule by the way?
what does it matter if he wins at the beginning or doesn't win at all if all his team loses?
In the current scenario, nothing. But if you have a player who guarantees yourself pretty much a point (ofc he can get sniped, yeah, but he's Jin Air's best weapon), you would put him at least top4 so he is guaranteed to play, wouldn't you?
The coach was confident in the first 3 players to at least take a point or two. But yes, he should've put Maru in the middle or close to the end, not the actual end of the line.
On July 29 2014 19:41 Schelim wrote: why is arena so unbelievably hard today??? already 3-2 wtf
only casuals play arena anyway
reached rank 1 this season then got so pissed off and the rock-paper-scissors bullshit i bought diablo 3 expansion and when i play HS it's only arena while sc2 matches are going on
On July 29 2014 19:41 Pandemona wrote: I think i played with that girl last night....me and 3 of my mates have no 5th so we have to pug and oh my gosh the amount of guys who just go 0-5 within first 5minutes and then quit is unreal xD
On July 29 2014 19:41 Schelim wrote: why is arena so unbelievably hard today??? already 3-2 wtf
only casuals play arena anyway
reached rank 1 this season then got so pissed off and the rock-paper-scissors bullshit i bought diablo 3 expansion and when i play HS it's only arena while sc2 matches are going on
i reached legend last season and this season i got so frustrated i started playing sc 2 again >.<
On July 29 2014 19:41 Pandemona wrote: I think i played with that girl last night....me and 3 of my mates have no 5th so we have to pug and oh my gosh the amount of guys who just go 0-5 within first 5minutes and then quit is unreal xD
On July 29 2014 19:41 Pandemona wrote: I think i played with that girl last night....me and 3 of my mates have no 5th so we have to pug and oh my gosh the amount of guys who just go 0-5 within first 5minutes and then quit is unreal xD
On July 29 2014 19:31 Exarl25 wrote: When the Protoss fully walls off with Forcefields like that why do Zergs push up against them and allow so many free hits rather than just move out of range until they expire? See it all the time and really don't understand it.
Sometimes their thoughts conflict between trying to keep the hatchery alive or trying to keep the troops alive. Of course trying to do both would mean doing both sub-par, effectively ending up with Zerg losing on both fronts but in the heat of the moment it's hard to decide on a course of action and stick to it.
But there was still a good bit of space until the Stalkers would get in range of the Hatchery, and the Stalkers were trapped too. Sure they could blink forward but Blinking beyond your Forcefields into that many Zerglings doesn't seem like a good idea. True essentially threw half of his army away completely for free, not really any different in outcome from being caught on move command or something.
He had a full surround on the Stalkers. This helps prevent the Stalkers from blinking back as they took damage from Roaches, as they'd then get attacked by Zerglings. But Stats managed his Blink/Forcefield micro well enough to have gaps were Stalkers at the front being attacked by Roaches could still Blink and be safe from Zerglings. Miscalculation by True.
EDIT:
It's hard for Zerg because there isn't much micro you can do with Roach/Ling vs. Forcefield/Blink. He needed to get that Ling surround and he managed to do it, but Stats dealt with it perfectly.
That isn't what I saw at all. At the start of the engagement True had like a couple of Roaches in the fight and over 100 Zerglings. He just charged them in and pushed up against a solid wall of Forcefields dealing absolutely 0 damage until they expired, at which point almost all of his lings had died without getting a single hit in. By the time the reinforcing Roaches had trickled in to support the scraps of lings that were left the game was over, and Stats barely needed to blink at all to crush the fight.
And I find it hilarious that Zergs call forcefields anti-micro when they are actually about the only thing that forces the Zerg to actually micro against Protoss, but even then they are still so reluctant to do anything but a-move in and push up against Forcefields until the Protoss misses one or runs out of energy.
TY spawns in the bottom Rogue spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks and refinery for TY. Rogue going pool first. Reaper for TY
3:00 Rogue expands. Extractor for Rogue, which is cancelled.
4:00 Factory and reactor for TY. TY expanding. TY moves right into the main with a reaper.
5:00 Two extractors for Rogue, which TY sees. TY missed the second extractor. Rogue building a roach warren.
6:00 TY picks off an overlord with marines. Lair for Rogue. TY going for a drop. There is a spore crawler and 3 queens to defend. Hellions try the front but a queen is blocking the front. Roaches clean up the marines.
8:00 TY 48 vs Rogue 76 Cloaked banshees being produced. Widow mine in the natural almost does a lot of damage. +1 ranged attack for Rogue. Two engineering bays for TY. Rogue getting drones and a third base.
9:00 TY 62 vs Rogue 91 Roach speed is starting to finish up. Rogue moving across the map with his roaches. TY pulls lots of SCVs and manages to hold. Rogue retreats under banshee fire.
10:00 TY 75 vs Rogue 98 TY moves into the main and kills a few drones. 6 mutalisks for Rogue. TY trying to take his third, which rogue sees. Contaminate on stim pack, which is half done.
TY spawns in the bottom Rogue spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks and refinery for TY. Rogue going pool first. Reaper for TY
3:00 Rogue expands. Extractor for Rogue, which is cancelled.
4:00 Factory and reactor for TY. TY expanding. TY moves right into the main with a reaper.
5:00 Two extractors for Rogue, which TY sees. TY missed the second extractor. Rogue building a roach warren.
6:00 TY picks off an overlord with marines. Lair for Rogue. TY going for a drop. There is a spore crawler and 3 queens to defend. Hellions try the front but a queen is blocking the front. Roaches clean up the marines.
8:00 TY 48 vs Rogue 76 Cloaked banshees being produced. Widow mine in the natural almost does a lot of damage. +1 ranged attack for Rogue. Two engineering bays for TY. Rogue getting drones and a third base.
9:00 TY 62 vs Rogue 91 Roach speed is starting to finish up. Rogue moving across the map with his roaches. TY pulls lots of SCVs and manages to hold. Rogue retreats under banshee fire.
10:00 TY 75 vs Rogue 98 TY moves into the main and kills a few drones. 6 mutalisks for Rogue. TY trying to take his third, which rogue sees. Contaminate on stim pack, which is half done.
11:00 TY 109 vs Rogue 128 Baneling nest for Rogue. Rogue harassing the natural with mutalisks. Banshees try moving into the third. TY tries moving out. A few mutalisks are picked off. A queen dies in the third of Rogue.
13:00 TY 123 vs Rogue 154 Baneling speed for Rogue. TY moving out with 2 medivacs of units and another army towards the center. Mutalisks find the medivacs but the medivacs unload in time.
14:00 TY 140 vs Rogue 181 +1 air attack for Rogue. Drop goes for the third but Rogue spots it. Another drop in the main. A spore crawler catches the medivac. The fourth base is under fire. Rogue brings his entire army back and saves the fourth.
15:00 TY 146 vs Rogue 197 Rogue moving to the center. Banshees still going after the third base.
TY spawns in the bottom Rogue spawns in the top right
2:00 Barracks and refinery for TY. Rogue going pool first. Reaper for TY
3:00 Rogue expands. Extractor for Rogue, which is cancelled.
4:00 Factory and reactor for TY. TY expanding. TY moves right into the main with a reaper.
5:00 Two extractors for Rogue, which TY sees. TY missed the second extractor. Rogue building a roach warren.
6:00 TY picks off an overlord with marines. Lair for Rogue. TY going for a drop. There is a spore crawler and 3 queens to defend. Hellions try the front but a queen is blocking the front. Roaches clean up the marines.
8:00 TY 48 vs Rogue 76 Cloaked banshees being produced. Widow mine in the natural almost does a lot of damage. +1 ranged attack for Rogue. Two engineering bays for TY. Rogue getting drones and a third base.
9:00 TY 62 vs Rogue 91 Roach speed is starting to finish up. Rogue moving across the map with his roaches. TY pulls lots of SCVs and manages to hold. Rogue retreats under banshee fire.
10:00 TY 75 vs Rogue 98 TY moves into the main and kills a few drones. 6 mutalisks for Rogue. TY trying to take his third, which rogue sees. Contaminate on stim pack, which is half done.
11:00 TY 109 vs Rogue 128 Baneling nest for Rogue. Rogue harassing the natural with mutalisks. Banshees try moving into the third. TY tries moving out. A few mutalisks are picked off. A queen dies in the third of Rogue.
13:00 TY 123 vs Rogue 154 Baneling speed for Rogue. TY moving out with 2 medivacs of units and another army towards the center. Mutalisks find the medivacs but the medivacs unload in time.
14:00 TY 140 vs Rogue 181 +1 air attack for Rogue. Drop goes for the third but Rogue spots it. Another drop in the main. A spore crawler catches the medivac. The fourth base is under fire. Rogue brings his entire army back and saves the fourth.
15:00 TY 146 vs Rogue 197 Rogue moving to the center. Banshees still going after the third base.
16:00 TY 135 vs Rogue 190 Drop gets in the main base but does almost nothing. Rogue getting a hive. +2/2 finally finishing for TY, and it was finished a while ago for Rogue.
18:00 TY 154 vs Rogue 199 Banelings, roaches, and mutalisks run into the natural and main and force a GG! Jin Air puts their first win on the map, making the score 1-3!
On July 29 2014 20:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wolf, no. Not again.
Wolf the all-knowing has spoken!
What did he say? I'm not watching, work.
PvP is Zest's worst match up
It's his best
Well, the thing with Zest's PvP is that he is THE protoss that modern PvP is modeled after. He might lose PvPs these days but it's because he dominated the matchup so hard that people studied him and tried to become him.
What I am saying is that Aligulac doesn't take the game itself into consideration.
A lot of Zest's PvPs have been quite close and he doesn't give me the invincible aura (even though he wins a lot) but when he faces zergs I pity the zergs :p
On July 29 2014 20:09 sharkie wrote: What I am saying is that Aligulac doesn't take the game itself into consideration.
A lot of Zest's PvPs have been quite close and he doesn't give me the invincible aura (even though he wins a lot) but when he faces zergs I pity the zergs :p
Zest spawns in the bottom right Avenge spawns in the top left
2:00 Gateway first for both players. Both players getting two fast assimilators. Both players build a cybernetics core.
3:00 Sentry first for Avenge. Zest opening with a stalker. Zest building a twilight council.
4:00 Avenge expands. Avenge building a twilight council. Zest researching blink. Zest attacking the mothership core but takes damage on his stalker.
5:00 Mothership core gets into Avenge's base and sees the twilight council. Blink for Avenge. Zest proxying a pylon. Zest has done a lot of damage to the nexus shields. Photon overcharge used. Zest blinks into the main and uses a time warp.
Zest spawns in the bottom right Avenge spawns in the top left
2:00 Gateway first for both players. Both players getting two fast assimilators. Both players build a cybernetics core.
3:00 Sentry first for Avenge. Zest opening with a stalker. Zest building a twilight council.
4:00 Avenge expands. Avenge building a twilight council. Zest researching blink. Zest attacking the mothership core but takes damage on his stalker.
5:00 Mothership core gets into Avenge's base and sees the twilight council. Blink for Avenge. Zest proxying a pylon. Zest has done a lot of damage to the nexus shields. Photon overcharge used. Zest blinks into the main and uses a time warp.
7:00 Zest 43 vs Avenge 30 Dark shrine for Avenge is 2/3 done. Avenge loses two more stalkers. Zest has 5 stalkers in Avenge's main. Zealot kills a stalker. DT is finally warped in but Zest is killing probes and getting a robotics facility. Avenge GG's! KT wins 4-1! Sorry Maru.
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
that was one of the worst PvP i have seen from avenge.. what the hell. also terrible line up from JW, they wanted to be fancy and ended up paying a high price.
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
Fantastic stuff BisuDagger, you are being made an honorary KT fan. I got my honorary membership when I correctly predicted KT 4-1 SKT in the 2012-2013 proleague.
Wonder if an offensive hail mary DT would of been better? And haven't we seen this multiple times, with PartinG and Zest? If you go DT vs Blink after expand you sacrifice the natural and keep the nexus cannon at home to survive and than try to win with DTs.
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
Fantastic stuff BisuDagger, you are being made an honorary KT fan. I got my honorary membership when I correctly predicted KT 4-1 SKT in the 2012-2013 proleague.
I got my honorary anti-membership with Lure all-kill
On July 29 2014 20:15 Thrillz wrote: Wonder if an offensive hail mary DT would of been better? And haven't we seen this multiple times, with PartinG and Zest? If you go DT vs Blink after expand you sacrifice the natural and keep the nexus cannon at home to survive and than try to win with DTs.
I guess this is really cool for the fans in Korea though. Starcraft 2 seems to be finding it's place in Korea, so much hype and the next season is already confirmed and will be even better .
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
Fantastic stuff BisuDagger, you are being made an honorary KT fan. I got my honorary membership when I correctly predicted KT 4-1 SKT in the 2012-2013 proleague.
I got my honorary anti-membership with Lure all-kill
Ace match 2014 season. SKT ace revealed. Bisu runs up from the audience! Proceeds to proxy-Zealot Flash who starts crying and then explodes in the booth
Fireworks explode, people around the globe cease their wars and gaze up at the sky, people stop writing dumb shit on the Internet and extraterrestrials who have been monitoring humanity for centuries decide to finally take up first contact
On July 29 2014 20:13 Storm-Giant wrote: Jin Air down? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Why the hate? Between sOs and Maru it's hard not to enjoy their play.
Meh, they pretty much are a 2 man team and benefit quite a lot from this season format. In previous season they would have way worse record.
Also, I hate Maru since he defeated Rain in that cursed OSL finals
Rain's style is completely boring, even if solid. Also when he was hyped he wasn't able to deliver side by side GSL/OSL championships. And after that he denied Parting WCS Asia championship. At least Parting finished his countdown series with a gold.
On July 29 2014 20:23 Heartland wrote: Ace match 2014 season. SKT ace revealed. Bisu runs up from the audience! Proceeds to proxy-Zealot Flash who starts crying and then explodes in the booth
Fireworks explode, people around the globe cease their wars and gaze up at the sky, people stop writing dumb shit on the Internet and extraterrestrials who have been monitoring humanity for centuries decide to finally take up first contact
Global wars ceasing and E.T.s making contact are much more likely than people not writing dumb shit on the internet.
On July 29 2014 20:13 Storm-Giant wrote: Jin Air down? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Why the hate? Between sOs and Maru it's hard not to enjoy their play.
Meh, they pretty much are a 2 man team and benefit quite a lot from this season format. In previous season they would have way worse record.
Also, I hate Maru since he defeated Rain in that cursed OSL finals
Rain's style is completely boring, even if solid. Also when he was hyped he wasn't able to deliver side by side GSL/OSL championships. And after that he denied Parting WCS Asia championship. At least Parting finished his countdown series with a gold.
On July 29 2014 20:23 Heartland wrote: Ace match 2014 season. SKT ace revealed. Bisu runs up from the audience! Proceeds to proxy-Zealot Flash who starts crying and then explodes in the booth
Fireworks explode, people around the globe cease their wars and gaze up at the sky, people stop writing dumb shit on the Internet and extraterrestrials who have been monitoring humanity for centuries decide to finally take up first contact
Global wars ceasing and E.T.s making contact are much more likely than people not writing dumb shit on the internet.
Then get DQ'd due to kespa rules with Bisu not being used at all during year. KT still wins.
On July 29 2014 20:23 Heartland wrote: Ace match 2014 season. SKT ace revealed. Bisu runs up from the audience! Proceeds to proxy-Zealot Flash who starts crying and then explodes in the booth
Fireworks explode, people around the globe cease their wars and gaze up at the sky, people stop writing dumb shit on the Internet and extraterrestrials who have been monitoring humanity for centuries decide to finally take up first contact
Global wars ceasing and E.T.s making contact are much more likely than people not writing dumb shit on the internet.
Then get DQ'd due to kespa rules with Bisu not being used at all during year. KT still wins.
On July 29 2014 20:13 Storm-Giant wrote: Jin Air down? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Why the hate? Between sOs and Maru it's hard not to enjoy their play.
Meh, they pretty much are a 2 man team and benefit quite a lot from this season format. In previous season they would have way worse record.
Also, I hate Maru since he defeated Rain in that cursed OSL finals
Are you a robot? They was probably the most emotionally charged finals ever. When maru won his team started crying, his mom started crying, his grandparents started crying. Maru picked up his little sister and gave her a big hug. Right in the feels.
To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
On July 29 2014 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote: To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
KT didn't have luck. Matchups mostly favoured Jin Air
On July 29 2014 20:13 Storm-Giant wrote: Jin Air down? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Why the hate? Between sOs and Maru it's hard not to enjoy their play.
Meh, they pretty much are a 2 man team and benefit quite a lot from this season format. In previous season they would have way worse record.
Also, I hate Maru since he defeated Rain in that cursed OSL finals
Are you a robot? They was probably the most emotionally charged finals ever. When maru won his team started crying, his mom started crying, his grandparents started crying. Maru picked up his little sister and gave her a big hug. Right in the feels.
I'm such a terrible person for being a fan of a player, right? ~_~
On July 29 2014 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote: To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
On July 29 2014 20:13 Storm-Giant wrote: Jin Air down? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D
Why the hate? Between sOs and Maru it's hard not to enjoy their play.
Meh, they pretty much are a 2 man team and benefit quite a lot from this season format. In previous season they would have way worse record.
Also, I hate Maru since he defeated Rain in that cursed OSL finals
Are you a robot? They was probably the most emotionally charged finals ever. When maru won his team started crying, his mom started crying, his grandparents started crying. Maru picked up his little sister and gave her a big hug. Right in the feels.
And then he leaves PRIME and plays against them soon after huehuehue.
On July 29 2014 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote: To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
being a KT fan from way back when the image of Flash carrying the team on his own was real, saying "KT lacks players past the first 3" doesn't really feel like a diss.
On July 29 2014 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote: To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
You do realize that they just played 3 of those in 3 days, right ? And that outside of the Allkill round (which actually favors the top heavy teams, not the deep rosters), KT won twice ?
Edit: deleted part of my comment because it wasn't relevant to the discussion (not trying to argue which team is more top heavy, just meaning to show that KT has a deeper/better lineup that you seem to think).
On July 29 2014 20:40 SC2Toastie wrote: To people saying Jin Air is a two-man team, sOs and Maru are very good, very very good. But do not ignore True (Ro4), Rogue (really fucking good), and their other players. Jin Air has the top dogs, KT had luck on their side in this Bo3. I think Jin Air had some bad luck and would be way, way better in a bo7 or bo9 than KT, because, frankly KT lacks players past their first 3.
You do realize that they just played 3 of those in 3 days, right ? And that outside of the Allkill round (which actually favors the top heavy teams, not the deep rosters), KT won twice ?
Edit: deleted because not relevant to the discussion.
I think he might to refer to a bo7 like in a 7 rounds of 7 Bo1 matches (on 7 days)
Anyway both team were close and as expected the sOs vs Flash game determined the final winner
Notably, every single match of the playoffs so far that I've LR'd, the team I was rooting for won. And every time I didn't LR, the team I was rooting for lost...
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i recommend silvana
On July 29 2014 02:58 silvana wrote: Goddammit it looks tough -.-
Flash please please~!!! I'll dye my hair red if KT wins.
Lol I can't write a coherent paragraph let alone do SC analysis. But if you want the players pictures surrounded by cute drawings then I can help
I think a pic of your new look will be enough
On July 29 2014 21:21 The_Templar wrote: Notably, every single match of the playoffs so far that I've LR'd, the team I was rooting for won. And every time I didn't LR, the team I was rooting for lost...
On July 29 2014 20:23 Heartland wrote: Ace match 2014 season. SKT ace revealed. Bisu runs up from the audience! Proceeds to proxy-Zealot Flash who starts crying and then explodes in the booth
Fireworks explode, people around the globe cease their wars and gaze up at the sky, people stop writing dumb shit on the Internet and extraterrestrials who have been monitoring humanity for centuries decide to finally take up first contact
I partly agree with BisuDagger. SKT vs KT is tied 3-3 and when they're deciding the aces, Bisu runs up from the audience! Unfortunately, KT picks Zest and Zest plays a normal game, destroying Bisu in the most one-sided game of the year.
On July 29 2014 21:53 The_Templar wrote: I partly agree with BisuDagger. SKT vs KT is tied 3-3 and when they're deciding the aces, Bisu runs up from the audience! Unfortunately, KT picks Zest and Zest plays a normal game, destroying Bisu in the most one-sided game of the year.
On July 29 2014 21:53 The_Templar wrote: I partly agree with BisuDagger. SKT vs KT is tied 3-3 and when they're deciding the aces, Bisu runs up from the audience! Unfortunately, KT picks Zest and Zest plays a normal game, destroying Bisu in the most one-sided game of the year.
So happy KT did it ! Now we just have to wait 10-ish days to get the best final. Can't wait !
I just hope the korean public will show up, lots of people at the venue, and an awesome show, awesome games, awesome ceremonies (oh how I'd like a FlaSh vs Parting game, ending in a FlaSh win and a ceremony) !!
On July 29 2014 21:53 The_Templar wrote: I partly agree with BisuDagger. SKT vs KT is tied 3-3 and when they're deciding the aces, Bisu runs up from the audience! Unfortunately, KT picks Zest and Zest plays a normal game, destroying Bisu in the most one-sided game of the year.
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Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
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Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
at least include soO, he's longer on KT/SKT than Action ^^
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Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
looking for a hardcore KT fan to be part of our finals preview. PM me
Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
looking for a hardcore KT fan to be part of our finals preview. PM me
Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
looking for a hardcore KT fan to be part of our finals preview. PM me
Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
Violet passed away... I don't find the joke there. Hoejja doesn't play.
Soo and Rain play as much as Flash + Stats. Fantasy has played as much as Action. ParalyzE remains on the team too. Then Classic and Soulkey are as much BW as Baby.
On other note - it's interesting that in the finals are two teams the essentially ignored whole race. SKT's Terran lineup is nearly nonexistent while KT's Zergs don't exist.
On the other hand Jin Air and CJ are more or less evenly split, having at least one Code S level player of each race.
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Those exist?
Starting to think otherwise
This is why KT magicians was their best name. Because as soon as you call them out they disappear.
Le sigh SKT fans... no one's posting pictures of or talking about our long since retired players when hyping for this PL finals . Bisu, Best and Fantasy... all retired . Only Sun is left from your BW days...
KT on the other hand... Flash, Stats, Action, Hoejja, and Violet (and Wooki I suppose) are still in the game from BW holding strong season after season for the team. <3. The team of true passion and the best Korean Telecom without a doubt.
Violet passed away... I don't find the joke there. Hoejja doesn't play.
Soo and Rain play as much as Flash + Stats. Fantasy has played as much as Action. ParalyzE remains on the team too. Then Classic and Soulkey are as much BW as Baby.
Leave it to a KT fan to be wrong and insensitive.
I'd like it if you can hold it in until the finals LR thread we don't want be be talking about violet's death or insensitivity towards it in this thread or anywhere else.
being wrong is one thing but just randomly calling him insensitive is another thing altogether, violet is still with us in spirit, you know like tassadar, cause he plays protoss.
Oh SKT fan, unable to see that saying Violet is still with the team is far from insensitive (actually a tribute to him/he is there in spirit is a sign of respect/love) and that saying Fantasy is retired is pretty standard trash talk/is a joke. .
The reason Fantasy playing as much as Action is sad is because Action was never considered an elite member of his team . How the mighty of SKT has fallen.
I didn't include Baby on the legacy KT list for a reason... I'm merely trash talking the SKT legacy in response to Bisu pictures/ace match going up and reminding fans that KT will be this season's winners. That is all SKT fan!
PS. Hoejja is still on the team... coaching us to victory, KT playoff zerg style. See you in the finale!
I had to miss these matches because of sleep. For some reason, my dreams last night involved checking the scores in the morning only to see Jin Air win 4-2 or 4-3. I'm glad those dreams did not come true.
I knew it. KT has a good team, while Jin Air is relying a lot on sOs and Maru. As I wanted they paid for not letting Maru play early on. I'm sure a lead would've helped them psychologically
On July 30 2014 00:10 IntoTheheart wrote: Another year, another SKTKT.
Last two proleagues it was CJ > Samsung and STX > Woongjin.
huh when did that happen?
hybrid league!
whats that? *HORRID FLASHBACKS WOOSHING*
OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I've been trying to pitch the return of hybrid proleague lately. bo3 BW bo3 WoL bo3 HoTS would be the greatest ESPORTing event of all time.
no.
I know I know. I have it thought out. BW and WoL assign a half point for winning the bo3. That way HoTS bo3 is always needed. And then the ace is played in Vanilla SC.
On July 30 2014 00:10 IntoTheheart wrote: Another year, another SKTKT.
Last two proleagues it was CJ > Samsung and STX > Woongjin.
huh when did that happen?
hybrid league!
whats that? *HORRID FLASHBACKS WOOSHING*
OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I've been trying to pitch the return of hybrid proleague lately. bo3 BW bo3 WoL bo3 HoTS would be the greatest ESPORTing event of all time.
no.
I know I know. I have it thought out. BW and WoL assign a half point for winning the bo3. That way HoTS bo3 is always needed. And then the ace is played in Vanilla SC.
Tries so hard to make Bisu actually relevant in the scene again
On July 30 2014 02:06 Shellshock wrote: Cure lost to hitman and sOs lost to Flash? wtf Jin Air
Flash is one of the top performing players in PL. I don't understand why people are surprised. He's also in the GSL. Cure on the other hand was sniped by hitman. Something KT is great at preparing for.
On July 30 2014 02:06 Shellshock wrote: Cure lost to hitman and sOs lost to Flash? wtf Jin Air
Flash is one of the top performing players in PL. I don't understand why people are surprised. He's also in the GSL. Cure on the other hand was sniped by hitman. Something KT is great at preparing for.
yes, Flash is a top performer in proleague. However, sOs has more wins than Flash, a better win % than Flash, and a historically better track record in the matchup than Flash. I would say it was an upset for Flash to beat sOs
6 of sOs' 13 losses also came in round 1 so he was probably close to if not the best performing player in proleague from rounds 2-4
On July 30 2014 02:06 Shellshock wrote: Cure lost to hitman and sOs lost to Flash? wtf Jin Air
Flash is one of the top performing players in PL. I don't understand why people are surprised. He's also in the GSL. Cure on the other hand was sniped by hitman. Something KT is great at preparing for.
On July 30 2014 02:06 Shellshock wrote: Cure lost to hitman and sOs lost to Flash? wtf Jin Air
Flash is one of the top performing players in PL. I don't understand why people are surprised. He's also in the GSL. Cure on the other hand was sniped by hitman. Something KT is great at preparing for.
On July 30 2014 02:06 Shellshock wrote: Cure lost to hitman and sOs lost to Flash? wtf Jin Air
Flash is one of the top performing players in PL. I don't understand why people are surprised. He's also in the GSL. Cure on the other hand was sniped by hitman. Something KT is great at preparing for.
I thought KT Zergs were bad at ZvT though D:
Dude, it's the playoffs
This ^. The KT Zergs train all year for this shit.
I missed the games earlier, but watched the VODs, ecstatic KT won 4-1. Flash over sOs was pretty awesome.
Really hoping for KT zergs to show up in force. Especially Action. Would be awesome if Mafiazerg can take out Soulkey or soO in a ZvZ, but extremely unlikely.
On July 30 2014 00:10 IntoTheheart wrote: Another year, another SKTKT.
Last two proleagues it was CJ > Samsung and STX > Woongjin.
huh when did that happen?
hybrid league!
whats that? *HORRID FLASHBACKS WOOSHING*
OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I've been trying to pitch the return of hybrid proleague lately. bo3 BW bo3 WoL bo3 HoTS would be the greatest ESPORTing event of all time.
no.
I know I know. I have it thought out. BW and WoL assign a half point for winning the bo3. That way HoTS bo3 is always needed. And then the ace is played in Vanilla SC.
Might as well throw in WC3:TFT, vanilla WC3, and WC2.
Wow, was really worried for KT today. They definitely had worse draws for todays line-up than on Sunday. SO glad that Flash managed to beat sOs. All around stellar performance from KT!
See you in the finals, SKT! Please look forward to being mauled by Zest again.
On July 29 2014 09:33 Darkhorse wrote: I'm here to BM KT fans. BM BM BM BM KT sux BM BM BM BM
I'm unimpressed.
You'll be impressed when Jin Air 4-0's KT tonight
*yawn*
You'll be yawning when… Jin Air… 4-0's… KT… tonight? This isn't going well.
Anyways I am super tired but it's ok because when I wake up Jin Air will have won.
I failed you Jin Air D:
Ooops! Accused the wrong guy (sorry Shellshock). All you pens and hammers look the same...
nah I'll own up. I predicted a 4-0 win too ^^ I thought Jin Air had some pretty favorable matchups but it looks like KT really brought their A game to the playoffs
On July 29 2014 00:12 Pandemona wrote: I could quite easily see a 3-0 start for Jin Air ;o Will we really not see Maru tomorrow ;o
No.
P sOs vs T FlaSh - Out Boxer T Cure vs Z hitmaN - Frost Z TRUE vs P Stats - Overgrowth Z Rogue vs T TY - Merry Go Round P Avenge vs P Zest - King Sejong Station T Maru vs Z Action- Habitation Station
On July 30 2014 11:03 Genome852 wrote: Vod for game 6 (Action vs. Maru) links to wrong video? It looks like they never uploaded that video to the youtube channel. Q_Q
On July 30 2014 11:03 Genome852 wrote: Vod for game 6 (Action vs. Maru) links to wrong video? It looks like they never uploaded that video to the youtube channel. Q_Q
Shouldn't spoil it so i recommend watching from g1
On July 30 2014 11:03 Genome852 wrote: Vod for game 6 (Action vs. Maru) links to wrong video? It looks like they never uploaded that video to the youtube channel. Q_Q
Shouldn't spoil it so i recommend watching from g1
If they had 2 All Kill formats instead of 2 Proleague formats, Jin Air probably would've won. Don't know why they put Maru at the end and risk not having him playing when he's doing most of the heavy lifting. He was the only who got them into the deciding 3rd match.
On July 30 2014 12:10 RyLai wrote: If they had 2 All Kill formats instead of 2 Proleague formats, Jin Air probably would've won. Don't know why they put Maru at the end and risk not having him playing when he's doing most of the heavy lifting. He was the only who got them into the deciding 3rd match.
We don't know that. Maybe KT would've just fielded Zest whenever Maru come up to avoid that from happening again. Maybe it could've been worse. I thought SKT would've been much better in Pro-league format against CJ yet their best performance came from all-kill format with PartinG crushing both CJ aces Bbyong/herO.
On July 30 2014 12:10 RyLai wrote: If they had 2 All Kill formats instead of 2 Proleague formats, Jin Air probably would've won. Don't know why they put Maru at the end and risk not having him playing when he's doing most of the heavy lifting. He was the only who got them into the deciding 3rd match.
We don't know that. Maybe KT would've just fielded Zest whenever Maru come up to avoid that from happening again. Maybe it could've been worse. I thought SKT would've been much better in Pro-league format against CJ yet their best performance came from all-kill format with PartinG crushing both CJ aces Bbyong/HerO.
They had 2 top players, puting one in first match and the other in last match is not that stupid.
The real incredibly great move here is Flash asking to be put in game one to snipe wether sOs or Maru and give momentum to his team.
As I never followed BW, I've never been impressed by Flash (yes he did good things, but ugly ones as well) but yesterday I must admit I changed my mind about him...
On July 30 2014 12:10 RyLai wrote: If they had 2 All Kill formats instead of 2 Proleague formats, Jin Air probably would've won. Don't know why they put Maru at the end and risk not having him playing when he's doing most of the heavy lifting. He was the only who got them into the deciding 3rd match.
We don't know that. Maybe KT would've just fielded Zest whenever Maru come up to avoid that from happening again. Maybe it could've been worse. I thought SKT would've been much better in Pro-league format against CJ yet their best performance came from all-kill format with PartinG crushing both CJ aces Bbyong/HerO.
They had 2 top players, puting one in first match and the other in last match is not that stupid.
The real incredibly great move here is Flash asking to be put in game one to snipe wether sOs or Maru and give momentum to his team.
As I never followed BW, I've never been impressed by Flash (yes he did good things, but ugly ones as well) but yesterday I must admit I changed my mind about him...
Indeed,incredible nerves from flash dominating sos in such fashion. Things would have been different if it was the other way around. You could see the KT players stepping up with confidence after flash's win.
On July 30 2014 12:10 RyLai wrote: If they had 2 All Kill formats instead of 2 Proleague formats, Jin Air probably would've won. Don't know why they put Maru at the end and risk not having him playing when he's doing most of the heavy lifting. He was the only who got them into the deciding 3rd match.
We don't know that. Maybe KT would've just fielded Zest whenever Maru come up to avoid that from happening again. Maybe it could've been worse. I thought SKT would've been much better in Pro-league format against CJ yet their best performance came from all-kill format with PartinG crushing both CJ aces Bbyong/HerO.
They had 2 top players, puting one in first match and the other in last match is not that stupid.
The real incredibly great move here is Flash asking to be put in game one to snipe wether sOs or Maru and give momentum to his team.
As I never followed BW, I've never been impressed by Flash (yes he did good things, but ugly ones as well) but yesterday I must admit I changed my mind about him...
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