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On July 22 2014 20:29 Megapenthes wrote:
Well that was strange. I missed the early game, how did effort end up so ahead?
On another note why did Soulkey throw by going ultras when he seemed to make things even by killing Effort's 4th and 3rd?
SK went for an early roach push that cost him a lot of gaz, then effort was always ahead in army and a upgrades (not massivly ahead but still)
Then the harass was good but he lost a lot of army do achieve it, dunno what woud have happened if he had made roach instead of ultras, he may just have had not enough roach to win a straight up fight.
Moreover the harrass was also meant to free food to make ultras so it was part of his switch strategy...
edit : grammar
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:32 Undead1993 wrote:
uh oh herO is 10:5 against Rain
But Rain is less of a chokey player in games that matter
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On July 22 2014 20:32 sharkie wrote:
CJ already has caused a massive upset. Winning now would be already more than any fan expected!
well, you know there are also those real fans who always believe in their team, even if it looks hopeless
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I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Lorning wrote:But Rain is less of a chokey player in games that matter
Hmm, I've seen Rain chocke a couple of times actually, but he's looking good now.
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately?
Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future.  Hopefully he can deliver here.
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On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose
They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season.
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Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season.
They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL
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Italy12246 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
It's fine as long as you dont start a Hearthstone youtube channel and stream
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL
Mediocre? : P
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On July 22 2014 20:34 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately? Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here.
Speaking of players that SKT dropped. Does anyone know if Sorry is on the SKT roster or not?
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On July 22 2014 20:29 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable. Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality. Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is. So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing. Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years? If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. everything can win. 11/11/11 rax in the base of your enemy can win. And your TvP Wol stats are most likley based on the fact that people were just: "what the fuck... mech?" and then they died. It's viable as a standard (pro) strat when you can reliably win with it on highest level consistently against a practiced opponent.
If you say that, then the only thing that can be concluded is that there was no definitive answer whether it was viable or not. If you use that explanation for why it may have won in the past, then you could also use the explanation that people just haven't learned mech well enough yet. Which is definitely possible as not only happened in the TvT and TvZ incidents but with any style that emerges in any match-up.
Of course, we'll all have our own personal perspectives of why things are as they are, and I guess our definitions of viable are a bit different, so I'll agree to disagree. I don't think a strategy with a really low chance of winning counts as viable, but anything close to 50%, just to clarify. Or if a pro like Bbyong uses it a few times in a short time span and thus believes to some extent it has a good enough chance of winning.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Amgerd reckful went live ;o
Hurry up pro league xd
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
for a team with 7 code S players kinda. Getting beaten by CJ in a bo3 (and thank the all kill round) would be awful.
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On July 22 2014 20:36 prabhbhambra13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:34 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:32 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 20:30 Heartland wrote:On July 22 2014 20:29 purakushi wrote:On July 22 2014 20:28 sashkata wrote:
Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final. This. Only bad thing is, other than Fantasy who never gets to play, SKT is all Protoss and Zerg. =\ There's Bravo! They let gold slip out of their hands when they released Journey. Or Sacsri Has Journey done anything lately? Not really, but I'm optimistic for the future. Hopefully he can deliver here. Speaking of players that SKT dropped. Does anyone know if Sorry is on the SKT roster or not?
Apparently no reliable source could be found on that matter.
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Let's go CJ, I BELIEVE!!!!!!
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
They should be winning every PL round with this lineup
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On July 22 2014 20:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:36 Lorning wrote:On July 22 2014 20:34 Bowzar wrote:On July 22 2014 20:33 Calthrash wrote:
I wonder how many players will get fired from SKT if they lose They will just buy herO and CJ wont even make the playoffs next season. They also pick up Maru, sOs, TY and RorO. And then they'll still be mediocre in PL Mediocre? : P
Gotta judge by PRIME standards.
(Sorry Lorning, this was too tempting.)
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Bisutopia19276 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:35 Heartland wrote:
Meanwhile Bisu streams BW
#worsethantasteless
#nopassion
You are banned from the church of Bisu.
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