The Ultras are an OK choice, but you need infestors with them so you cannot get kited and +1 or +2 melee. And obviously, you need to have the same army supply to begin with...

Heartland

Sweden24603 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#569

On July 22 2014 20:27 Scarecrow wrote:
Just kept throwing away units for non-crippling damage vs Effort who had a bank and was constantly maxing. The ultra transition was ugly too, especially in that choke

But isn't it in an attempt to get ahead in bank and in larva for max-outs? I feel that the ultras lost him the game, but hydra/roach/infestor could probably have won

wl4d

France103 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#570

Wow... effort being great only when no one believes in him... Love that guy

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#571

On July 22 2014 20:27 Pandemona wrote:

Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt

Excellent Game (11)

65%

Good Game (2)

12%

Meh Game (2)

12%

Bad Game (2)

12%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game

Circumstance

United States11403 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#572

Elimination or continuation - one team's Proleague season ends in one more map.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12461 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#573

On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

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On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on.

If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.

Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.

Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.

This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc.

In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this.

I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable.

Believe if you want to believe. The day the mech:bio ratio isn't 500:1 anymore in high level Korean TvP, the conversations about the viability of mech can start. Until that's it's pure faith from people who want to believe vs the trial of reality.

Well when such an occurrence as the sudden burst of mech in TvT in MLG Anaheim (after people consider it not to be viable simply because it isn't played much) has happened, I can believe in anything. Or in 2012 with mech finally being used in TvZ after being absent in GSL since virtually 2010. To me the amount of times a style is used isn't directly connected to how viable it is.

So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing.

Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years?

If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game in GSL and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable. Again, that's like the people saying back in TvT and TvZ that mech isn't viable, because it's used so infrequently. There's such a thing as players not figuring something out until later.

I'm okay with you saying that it's not impossible for mech to work. I'm not okay with Exarl saying "hey, we have to assume mech works, otherwise Bbyong wouldn't use it." That's what Dwf was answering to, and so maybe he didn't use the most precise phrasing he could have, but he's on the right side on this.

sashkata

Bulgaria3241 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#574

Happy we get an ace match, but now SKT has to win. We need telecom wars final.

cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#575

On July 22 2014 20:28 WigglingSquid wrote:

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Fantasy to roll in with a mad new Terran strat.

I would LOVE it^^

Gwavajuice

France1810 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#576

Woot! Really tense game with a happy ending!

(the lack of manner during these 3 days is hilarious btw)

Lorning

Belgica34432 Posts

July 22 2014 11:28 GMT

#577

On July 22 2014 20:28 Muffloe wrote:
Rain vs Gumiho! Please!!

If he sends out GuMi, Park becomes my favorite coach, over Ryu Won

TheDwf

France19747 Posts

July 22 2014 11:29 GMT

#578

Hmm... Rain vs herO as ace?

robson1

3632 Posts

July 22 2014 11:29 GMT

#579

On July 22 2014 20:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 22 2014 20:21 robson1 wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:17 TheDwf wrote:

On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:

On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:

If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP.

Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours.

Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.

So 4 years of pros randomly throwing it in and getting punished for it don't convince you.... alrighty then. Keep believing.

Getting punished for what? Air/HT in HotS? For 4 years?

If you're talking about WoL, Terran won in TvP with mech more often than lost. I found every single game and wrote the score down. The point is not popularity or if it's better than bio or not. If it can win, then that's what I consider to be viable.

everything can win. 11/11/11 rax in the base of your enemy can win. And your TvP Wol stats are most likley based on the fact that people were just: "what the fuck... mech?" and then they died. It's viable as a standard (pro) strat when you can reliably win with it on highest level consistently against a practiced opponent.