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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 20 2014 12:20 GMT
#741
On July 20 2014 21:17 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:16 juvenal wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:14 Musicus wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:10 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:08 Musicus wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:05 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:03 Musicus wrote:
Recall is so stupid, he can do this and risks nothing...

Zero risk? If his army got fungalled it would have instantly been over...


You can recall a fungaled army.

Fungal the MSc when it's away from the army. Pull it with a viper. Snipe it. Pretty much nothing in competitive SC2 has zero risk.


You have recall when Corruptors or Vipers are still a long way off. Should be a lategame upgrade or something, any cost or downside at all would be good.

shouldn't even be an upgrade, just unlocked with fleet beacon


Or just give it to the Mothership only, not the MSC, then Protoss has a reason to make them again.


The mothership is slow as hell though. That kinda defeats the purpose of recall.
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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 12:22:50
July 20 2014 12:21 GMT
#742
On July 20 2014 21:14 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:11 Xinzoe wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:10 Thrillz wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:09 Xinzoe wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:08 Musicus wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:05 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:03 Musicus wrote:
Recall is so stupid, he can do this and risks nothing...

Zero risk? If his army got fungalled it would have instantly been over...


You can recall a fungaled army.


recall is necessary since protoss units are slow


Stalkers are slow?


not as fast as zerglings?


So not as fast as zerglings (one of the fastest in the game) means it's slow and recall is necessary?


let me rephrase. The majority of protoss ground units are slow. If they get caught by a superior zerg army its dead regardless if u have good forcefields. The only exception is blink stalkers but that gets negated by fungal. But I do agree that recall needs some cost

Edit: an example would be MC vs Sacsri game 5. First soul train gets rekt and there is no chance of escape without recall
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 20 2014 12:22 GMT
#743
On July 20 2014 21:17 Heartland wrote:
Recall was given to the MSC so that Protoss can pressure and not risk just totally dying. I think there might be some issues with it, but it is pretty necessary. Also, the downside to it is that you want to cast the other spells (usually time warps, in some instances you need to retreat and to photon overcharge) and you use up the mana.


That downside goes for pretty much EVERY spellcaster no? All three spells are pretty useful so it's a pretty good problem to have looooooooool.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 12:25:54
July 20 2014 12:22 GMT
#744
I, for one, wouldn't mind her solocasting PL until Moonglade comes back.

At which point I wouldn't mind Moonglade solocasting it. Or Moonglade and her teaming up. Or just her. I see lots of options.
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kc2siq
Profile Joined April 2012
United States319 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#745
Is there a official thread or feedback mechanism to complain in about a cast?

I know LR threads aren't really the place but I really don't like how they've been going about it with the translator and all.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#746
On July 20 2014 21:17 Heartland wrote:
Recall was given to the MSC so that Protoss can pressure and not risk just totally dying. I think there might be some issues with it, but it is pretty necessary. Also, the downside to it is that you want to cast the other spells (usually time warps, in some instances you need to retreat and to photon overcharge) and you use up the mana.


Yeah I thought about that, but you can still use time warp and recall or recall and photonovercharge, I always said it should cost 200 energy, so you really have to decide when to use it. Make it more exclusive. Once you transform it to a Mothership it costs 100 energy again maybe?

They could make the early and mid game MSC/Recall more fair while giving an incentive to make the real Mothership. Anyway that's the last of it on this topic.

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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#747
On July 20 2014 21:22 pure.Wasted wrote:
I, for one, wouldn't mind her solocasting PL in Moonglade's absence.

At which point I wouldn't mind Moonglade solocasting it. Or Moonglade and her teaming up. Or just her. I see lots of options.


As long as it splits Wolf and Brendan I will co-sign
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#748
On July 20 2014 21:22 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:17 Heartland wrote:
Recall was given to the MSC so that Protoss can pressure and not risk just totally dying. I think there might be some issues with it, but it is pretty necessary. Also, the downside to it is that you want to cast the other spells (usually time warps, in some instances you need to retreat and to photon overcharge) and you use up the mana.


That downside goes for pretty much EVERY spellcaster no? All three spells are pretty useful so it's a pretty good problem to have looooooooool.


It doesn't matter if it goes for every spellcasters, it's not the point. If you lack a photon overcharge, a time warp or a recall in a critical situation you can lose a battle or a game. So choosing when to cast and what to cast is really important. That's a downside.
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#749
On July 20 2014 21:19 showstealer1829 wrote:
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On July 20 2014 21:18 Bowzar wrote:
"oh my god", "woooooow" and my favorite "is he crying? I think hes crying guize" who is she and why is she casting?


As has been said she's the translator and it's because mOOnGLaDe is still in Shenzhen

Oh ok, I thought she was a new caster and got really worried.
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
July 20 2014 12:23 GMT
#750
On July 20 2014 21:22 pure.Wasted wrote:
I, for one, wouldn't mind her solocasting PL in Moonglade's absence.

At which point I wouldn't mind Moonglade solocasting it. Or Moonglade and her teaming up. Or just her. I see lots of options.


I'm behind this idea.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 12:24:37
July 20 2014 12:24 GMT
#751
On July 20 2014 21:23 kc2siq wrote:
Is there a official thread or feedback mechanism to complain in about a cast?

I know LR threads aren't really the place but I really don't like how they've been going about it with the translator and all.


For whatever it's worth, I think she's in the process of getting a real mic. Her twitter suggested she'd asked for better vocals for the cast tonight once it became apparent she was going to be a fixture.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 20 2014 12:24 GMT
#752
sojung is actually the funniest on the broadcast today
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ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
July 20 2014 12:25 GMT
#753
still can't hear a single thing what she's saying...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#754
Please herO no messups
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
July 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#755
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Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
July 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#756
On July 20 2014 21:24 Lorning wrote:
sojung is actually the funniest on the broadcast today


So, if wolf can't even be the funny guy anymore (voluntarily or not), what's his purpose on this show???
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
July 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#757
On July 20 2014 21:21 Xinzoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:14 Thrillz wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:11 Xinzoe wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:10 Thrillz wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:09 Xinzoe wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:08 Musicus wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:05 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:03 Musicus wrote:
Recall is so stupid, he can do this and risks nothing...

Zero risk? If his army got fungalled it would have instantly been over...


You can recall a fungaled army.


recall is necessary since protoss units are slow


Stalkers are slow?


not as fast as zerglings?


So not as fast as zerglings (one of the fastest in the game) means it's slow and recall is necessary?


let me rephrase. The majority of protoss ground units are slow. If they get caught by a superior zerg army its dead regardless if u have good forcefields. The only exception is blink stalkers but that gets negated by fungal. But I do agree that recall needs some cost

Edit: an example would be MC vs Sacsri game 5. First soul train gets rekt and there is no chance of escape without recall

why is there a premise that if you came attacking you should have an option to just safely return home anyway?
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 20 2014 12:26 GMT
#758
On July 20 2014 21:23 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:22 Thrillz wrote:
On July 20 2014 21:17 Heartland wrote:
Recall was given to the MSC so that Protoss can pressure and not risk just totally dying. I think there might be some issues with it, but it is pretty necessary. Also, the downside to it is that you want to cast the other spells (usually time warps, in some instances you need to retreat and to photon overcharge) and you use up the mana.


That downside goes for pretty much EVERY spellcaster no? All three spells are pretty useful so it's a pretty good problem to have looooooooool.


It doesn't matter if it goes for every spellcasters, it's not the point. If you lack a photon overcharge, a time warp or a recall in a critical situation you can lose a battle or a game. So choosing when to cast and what to cast is really important. That's a downside.


So it's nothing special then, every unit has a downside. Of all the downsides I'd say this doesn't rank high. Plus a full energy MSC grants you 2 spells.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 20 2014 12:27 GMT
#759
On July 20 2014 21:26 Pino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 21:24 Lorning wrote:
sojung is actually the funniest on the broadcast today


So, if wolf can't even be the funny guy anymore (voluntarily or not), what's his purpose on this show???

I'd say bash Prime, but they're out already
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 20 2014 12:28 GMT
#760
On July 20 2014 21:24 Lorning wrote:
sojung is actually the funniest on the broadcast today


Word. They need to up her mic volume.
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