• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:38
CEST 02:38
KST 09:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High11Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes189BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
Old rep packs of BW legends ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why can't Americans stop ea…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1831 users

[MLG] Anaheim 2014 Day 3 - Page 106

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 104 105 106 107 108 253 Next
Whining about Protoss or balance will be more harshly moderated from page 90 onwards.

Before making comments on race picking, refer to MLG's rules
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 22 2014 20:39 GMT
#2101
Come on Stardust keep it together
Neosteel Enthusiast
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 22 2014 20:39 GMT
#2102
On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering.


If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching.
Moderator
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 20:40:28
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2103
I think Trap's got this! IM hwaitinguu
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2104
I think Scarlett should attack with +2.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 20:40:25
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2105
SCARLETT PLEASE RACE SWITCH GAME 2. i missed it, plz make it happen again
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2106
On June 23 2014 05:38 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:38 Incognoto wrote:
Maybe scarlett is actually legitimately good? not sure


When in doubt, blame race rather than skill. Chances are that people who practise 40+ hours a week aren't really that good at the game.


This is a mirror though, which race to I blame?
maru lover forever
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2107
On June 23 2014 05:39 Mozdk wrote:
Scarlett is eating Korean Zergs for dinner.

Beat HyuN, Life, DRG and possibly RagnaroK.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2108
Probably because JD is a member of EG and he hasn't played in the KeSPA leagues in ages. Not only that, but DRG hasn't really been performing that well recently either so I don't get the fuss; whereas, Scarlett just continues to get decent results internationally. #Alliswell.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2109
On June 23 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:
"Switch to Protoss Ragnarok. Do it." - Scarlett in private chat right now. Guaranteed


one of us. one of us.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2110
On June 23 2014 05:40 Xinzoe wrote:
SCARLETT PLEASE RACE SWITCH GAME 2

WE ALREADY HAD THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVEN BETTER. RACE SWITCH MID GAME PLEASE SCARLETT
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2111
On June 23 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG


I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that.

I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss


As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game.


In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u


In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill.

Scarlett is good, no doubt about that. The issue is that most people of a race practice years with that race to reach the levels of progaming that are in. When a progamer can switch to another race without the years of experience in it (I assume Scarlett practices Protoss less than Zerg) and still performs at the level of someone who has used a race their whole life, there are a few things to think about such as: Is the race switcher just that much better than their opponent? Is the race easier to use than other races? (Scarlett herself said it, perhaps as a joke but the race is already under fire) Is there some other flaw in the game that makes it appear this way?

Obviously though, 1 game doesn't PROVE anything, but its definitely got peoples attention and could be a concern.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2112
On June 23 2014 05:40 Xinzoe wrote:
SCARLETT PLEASE RACE SWITCH GAME 2. i missed it, plz make it happen again

She's not going to, that was a 1 time thing. It wouldn't work again.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2113
Please just go kill him now Scarlett
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 22 2014 20:40 GMT
#2114
On June 23 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering.


If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching.

i have it opened on different tab, Trap has more supply and bases so i assume hes winning
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2115
end this
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2116
On June 23 2014 05:40 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:40 Xinzoe wrote:
SCARLETT PLEASE RACE SWITCH GAME 2. i missed it, plz make it happen again

She's not going to, that was a 1 time thing. It wouldn't work again.


Terran
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2117
Uh oh Stardust looks screwed.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2118
wow - great 3 roach attack. super successful
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2119
On June 23 2014 05:40 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:40 Xinzoe wrote:
SCARLETT PLEASE RACE SWITCH GAME 2. i missed it, plz make it happen again

She's not going to, that was a 1 time thing. It wouldn't work again.

The_Templar taunting Scarlett once again
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
June 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2120
On June 23 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering.


If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching.

I'm watching too, I have to support my boy Trap.
Prev 1 104 105 106 107 108 253 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 157
NeuroSwarm 127
RuFF_SC2 64
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 875
Shuttle 802
NaDa 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever986
capcasts310
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear2
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K399
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor170
Other Games
summit1g13410
FrodaN5270
JimRising 532
Maynarde140
KnowMe101
C9.Mang053
Mew2King38
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick777
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta39
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• HeavenSC 0
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21072
League of Legends
• Doublelift5104
Other Games
• imaqtpie937
• Shiphtur213
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
9h 22m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
10h 22m
Monday Night Weeklies
15h 22m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
1d 23h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.