EPTWould that be an acceptable solution?
[ATC] yoeFW vs mouz, Playday 8, Season 3 - Page 8
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
Would that be an acceptable solution? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 04 2014 20:49 SpikeStarcraft wrote: what if they modified his contract and agreed to extend it for the duration of the ATC season, Vortix plays for mouz, mouz shares the winnings of the playoffs with vortix. Would that be an acceptable solution? So basically a joker? That would face some pretty strong opposition from the three other teams in the playoffs, and ATC has already abolished the joker rule. Also, do we have confirmation on what the playoff dates are, and what the format is? I know that it's a double elimination bracket, and that the top two teams go to Krefield for the Grand Finals. I also heard of Bo3 and that the loser from the Grand Finals has to start down 0-1 in maps. Is that the case? Will each match basically be 2-3 Bo9s instead of the one? That would be pretty cool | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 04 2014 16:35 Enstein wrote: Really unfortunate that Starbuck lost to CranK. Axiom would have been eliminated and we wouldn't have to deal with the constant whining from Crot4le and all this shit from TB. They already fucked up in Season 1 not being able to attend the playoffs. It is for the organisers to take a decision on this matter and definitely not up to them. Actually it absolutely is up to us and the other teams. The person it's definitely not up to is some random bitching in an LR thread with no grasp of the facts. I can also assure you that "fortune" had nothing to do with Starbuck losing. If half our team wasn't playing like dummies that day, it wouldn't have even got to that point. I would actually prefer Mousesports to be in the final 4, they are the weakest team and give us the best shot at the finals. I do however believe for the sake of the integrity of the tournament, that a team with only 3 legit players should not be in the finals, since mercenaries are not allowed and you can't just go releasing players from their contracts then still expecting them to play for you, that defeats the point of being a team. It's my personal opinion that they should forfeit their spot for another, complete team since they are no longer capable of competing, but the final decision is between the admins and the managers of the 4 teams in the playoffs. As for "fucking up". Anyone who knew a thing about that situation is well aware of the miscommunication that went on and our unwillingness to drop $6,000+ on flights as a result. | ||
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Enstein
Russian Federation134 Posts
Perhaps my post was a bit too emotional and I didn't make myself perfectly clear. But as you decided to express your opinion in this thread instead of discussing the issue directly with the organisers and the other teams, you should be ready to bear with the consequences  Now on a more serious note. I definitely agree with the fact that preserving the integrity of the tournament is a legitimate aim. Today it's one of the best and most entertaining team leagues with high prises and a fierce competition. However, is sanctioning Mouz for deciding to terminate a contract with a player a proportionate measure to be taken (both suitable and necessary to preserve the legitimacy)? As you pointed out, miscommunication and financial issues made you drop a well-earned playoff spot in Season 1. Financial issues may have made Mouz to release their best player. Do we have to take away 2000 dollars from them (guaranteed for the 4th place)? I believe that other solutions are possible such as an obligation for Mouz to have 4 player on real contracts (meaning that Mouz would have to effectively hire a new player or prolongate its contract with Vortix until the end of the playoffs). I agree that mercenaries should not be allowed.. although I think it should be the same rule for full-mercenary teams such as Bounty Hunters Axiom not taking a playoff spot was not the only thing that didn't work in Season 1. There was also the transfer of the Duran brothers to Mouz and the disband of Karont3. Would be a pitty to have one more scandal in Season 3. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 05 2014 19:43 nkr wrote: The only scandal would be mouz playing with a new player in playoffs, not them being removed. You have to decide: Either roster changes before the playoffs are ok or they aren't. If roster changes are ok, mouz can sign a new player. If the roster is not allowed to be changed, Vortix can stay. Letting roster changes effect the line up in one way (players leaving), but not in the other way (players joining) does not make sence. If you are against mercenaries, I don't really see, why actually signing a new player brings any problems. If everything else fails, Mouz has to pull a Karont3 and give Tidus Mino some playtime, since he was on Mouz since the beginning of the season. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:06 Xoronius wrote: You have to decide: Either roster changes before the playoffs are ok or they aren't. If roster changes are ok, mouz can sign a new player. If the roster is not allowed to be changed, Vortix can stay. Letting roster changes effect the line up in one way (players leaving), but not in the other way (players joining) does not make sence. If you are against mercenaries, I don't really see, why actually signing a new player brings any problems. If everything else fails, Mouz has to pull a Karont3 and give Tidus Mino some playtime, since he was on Mouz since the beginning of the season. I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 05 2014 20:06 Xoronius wrote: You have to decide: Either roster changes before the playoffs are ok or they aren't. If roster changes are ok, mouz can sign a new player. If the roster is not allowed to be changed, Vortix can stay. Letting roster changes effect the line up in one way (players leaving), but not in the other way (players joining) does not make sence. If you are against mercenaries, I don't really see, why actually signing a new player brings any problems. If everything else fails, Mouz has to pull a Karont3 and give Tidus Mino some playtime, since he was on Mouz since the beginning of the season. I believe according to the rules, a newly signed played is not immediately eligible to play for a bit (2 playweeks?). It's similar to Proleague, where new players are not immediately allowed to be fielded, and mYi had this issue when they couldn't play Balloon immediately. So roster changes are not allowed in such short notice. Vortix is already gone. He's already played his last match. MouzVortix no longer exists. Mouz will need to work something out with the tournament admins and the other 3 playoff teams. We'll see what happens. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
I can't tell, if you are serious either. Roster changes working in one way but not in the other is just flawed logic. New players (who actually get signed) coming into Teamleagues and playing is nothing new. And there is no mercenary problem with that at all. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
Although wouldn't surprise me if the mental gymnastics and logical leaps were made to make this happen. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 05 2014 22:58 nkr wrote: It is not "flawed logic", it's how every tournament ever has worked. You can't ADD players to a team but nothing stops you from removing them. Find any tournament ever where the rules are that you can't remove players from your team. Although wouldn't surprise me if the mental gymnastics and logical leaps were made to make this happen. Ofc. you can add players to a team during a tournament. MouzThorZaIN, LiquidSea, EGHuK all played in tournaments, which began before they joined their respective teams. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:35 Xoronius wrote: Ofc. you can add players to a team during a tournament. MouzThorZaIN, LiquidSea, EGHuK all played in tournaments, which began before they joined their respective teams. Do you even read what you respond to? Or do you deliberately misunderstand because you have no point? You can always remove a player whenever you want, but you can't add a player whenever you want. This is such a moment where you can't just go adding players. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On June 04 2014 20:25 nkr wrote: I guess they should use Dear as well to make sure they beat Liquid ;P Except they beat Mouz when they had Dear (week 1 HerO beat him twice) | ||
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