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On May 05 2014 04:42 NKexquisite wrote:
So, the only counter to swarm hosts is swarm hosts, right?
I would imagine bane drops on top of swarm hosts would work nicely. It would be a massive overlord sacrifice but it would work
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On May 05 2014 04:43 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:42 GumBa wrote:
Stephano has achieved more than Boxer ever will Now that's a bait that's just too big.
Some men just want to see the world burn.
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On May 05 2014 04:43 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:41 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It doesn't destroy the scene, its how it is in every big individual sport and its what drives them, not the opposite. Tiger MADE golf what it is. Nadal, Fed etc are the drivers of worldwide interest in tennis etc.
You need dominating players and personalities to grow a scene. The game itself will never bring the same level of interest because only players/hardcore fans will watch. Tiger didn't make golf what it is by being popular. neither did Nadal and Fed dominate tennis because of their fanbase. They did it by being the best. how can you not see the difference? Stephano is NOT the best. But he WAS. That's the point. Also they did do it by being popular, but they were popular by being the best. This isn't always true. For example Jimmy White in snooker was huge but was runner up 6 times and never won. Their popularity drove the growth of the game. That's the issue here. If you want to grow the scene and not just have the dregs of a scene followed by hardcore fans only you need these personalities. You need people who viewers only tune in to watch them. Its vital. It is the opposite of destroying the scene, it is what keeps it alive and grows it.
It blocks out opportunities for new blood, makes the game stale, and allows people who WERE dominant to keep playing in everything past their prime
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On May 05 2014 04:44 Makro wrote:
btw bracket of nations wars out
Yup, and Canada is FUCKED 
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On May 05 2014 04:41 Nauseam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:29 oogieogie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:23 Nauseam wrote:On May 05 2014 04:14 oogieogie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:10 Nauseam wrote:On May 05 2014 04:04 oogieogie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:04 Nauseam wrote:
This is just horrible to watch.
But I actually think it's a good thing Stephano is doing this in front of so many viewers and Blizzards eyes just to show just how horribly broken the design of zerg and the concept of free units is in a RTS. wait till we get a game where the zerg has a massive advantage, and then terran or protoss just turtles. LOL. What are you talking about? Protoss turtles all the time and terrans do from time to time as well. Neither P or T has any free units so P or T turtling will NEVER drag on for hours and hours. Such a stalemate situation can only happen with free units. Or do you actually believe that if Z has massive advantage against P and then the P players turtles as much as he can, the game will drag on for hours? Jeez. These zerg fanboys. ugh..its a stalemate in the zerg can only atk the protoss effectively with SH while the P cant move out either or they just turtled to where they could. Why doesn't the Z just end it? He is trying to, but is trading very cost efficient because he is vsing like tempest templar archon void rays with a bunch of cannons and shit. The zerg has a hard time breaking it, and cant really so they are forced to go SH. Sure. I can agree on that turtling on 3 base is just too good in SC2 but it is still possible to break a turtling P or T player whereas SH turtling is impossible to break once you reach that critical mass of SH and static defense. To be honest, P or T turtling is not even remote to swarm host turtling. Did you even watch the game last night? When did you ever see P or T turtle play make a game drag on for 2-3 hours? I can answer that for you: Never. yea it is possible to break them after using fucking swarm hosts/vipers to slowly wittle the fucking protoss down. What would happen if SH get nerfed and P goes skytoss? The zerg now has like no answer for it or to just trade super cost inefficient while he has a great economy. I am saying it would also be more popular where you could play the game, and if you start to get pretty behind then you go skytoss while turtling so zerg cant really end so you get back in the game. yes i watched the game where pet turtled in main while endless locust hit each other at the ramp. I do think stephano could have ended it with a muta switch at the end since he killed most of the spores or go BLs maybe. The thing is that could work or he could lose. Did you even read my first post? I know Z has to go SH against skytoss and that's why the race design is so stupid. That SH creates hour long stalemate type of games as well makes it even more dumb and boring. SH shouldn't get nerfed. They should be completely removed. And yes, P needs a redesign as well. Fact is though, P and T turtling doesn't create 2-3 hour long games.
zerg should not just lose to a race because they dont have a answer to what they have. The fact that they don't create long games doesnt matter.
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On May 05 2014 04:44 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:43 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:
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Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years. This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history. Thanks for contributing. You just trying to boost your post count or what? Thread full of shitposts.
Interesting that you call me a shitposter. I hope to one day match your posting quality.
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On May 05 2014 04:44 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:43 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:
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Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years. This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history. Thanks for contributing. You just trying to boost your post count or what? Thread full of shitposts.
Thats funny coming from you
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I wish NaNi still played SC2, so we could see faniwas vs all these Stephano fanboys
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On May 05 2014 04:44 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:43 Ctesias wrote:On May 05 2014 04:42 GumBa wrote:
Stephano has achieved more than Boxer ever will Now that's a bait that's just too big. I want to cause the end times
I almost fell for that. But then I took a deep breath.
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On May 05 2014 04:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:42 NKexquisite wrote:
So, the only counter to swarm hosts is swarm hosts, right? I would imagine bane drops on top of swarm hosts would work nicely. It would be a massive overlord sacrifice but it would work
That would need a complete lack of fungals and spore crawlers.
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On May 05 2014 04:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:42 NKexquisite wrote:
So, the only counter to swarm hosts is swarm hosts, right? I would imagine bane drops on top of swarm hosts would work nicely. It would be a massive overlord sacrifice but it would work
The problem, at least as i see it, is that you need your own swarmhosts to hold back the locust waves, and then you don't have any supply to make banelings. Because if you free up supply to do that, the locusts push far and do too much damage.
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On May 05 2014 04:45 Lorning wrote:
I wish NaNi still played SC2, so we could see faniwas vs all these Stephano fanboys
Imagine the amount of pages this LR would get...
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On May 05 2014 04:43 Lorning wrote:
Jaedong please save us
Tonight I'm your sheep
SEE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU
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On May 05 2014 04:45 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:44 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:43 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:
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Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years. This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history. Thanks for contributing. You just trying to boost your post count or what? Thread full of shitposts. Interesting that you call me a shitposter. I hope to one day match your posting quality.
well obviously it's hard to cast and post at the same time so your post quality will have to suffer a bit. taking that into consideration, you're doing pretty well imo. also your casting has improved significantly since you got that magnificent tan.
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On May 05 2014 04:46 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:45 Lorning wrote:
I wish NaNi still played SC2, so we could see faniwas vs all these Stephano fanboys Imagine the amount of pages this LR would get...
And the viewer count would go up so it could only be good for everyone involved.
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On May 05 2014 04:46 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:45 Lorning wrote:
I wish NaNi still played SC2, so we could see faniwas vs all these Stephano fanboys Imagine the amount of pages this LR would get...
1/4th of the posts complaining about Swarm Host, 1/4th of the posts talking about how Swarm Hosts are killing SC2, 1/2nd of the posts being Stephano vs NaNiwa.
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On May 05 2014 04:46 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:45 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:44 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:43 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:
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No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years. This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history. Thanks for contributing. You just trying to boost your post count or what? Thread full of shitposts. Interesting that you call me a shitposter. I hope to one day match your posting quality. well obviously it's hard to cast and post at the same time so your post quality will have to suffer a bit. taking that into consideration, you're doing pretty well imo. also your casting has improved significantly since you got that magnificent tan.
I'm glad someone at least recognizes my multi tasking.
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Naniwa is still the more accomplished foreigner
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On May 05 2014 04:47 GumBa wrote:
Naniwa is still the more accomplished foreigner
Stop the madness! This thread doesn't deserve such a cruel death.
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On May 05 2014 04:47 GumBa wrote:
Naniwa is still the more accomplished foreigner
You're such a master baiter
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