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On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:24 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:19 cheekymonkey wrote:On May 05 2014 04:18 jaebigdong wrote:
let me get this right....
jaedong, who's best matchup is ZvZ, is losing to a retired foreigner who's worst matchup is ZvZ and just plays in his spare time?
yep koreans have a stephano complex this is well-known No "complex," Stephano just does none of the stupid foreigner shit that every single foreigner besides him does. He actually scouts his opponent, always. He pressures while macroing. While macroing! He doesn't impatiently all-in. Basically, Stephano is a Korean. Anyway that's how I feel watching him play vs. foreigners, they are a class apart. Watching Patraeus beating him yesterday was sort of like watching him beat Life or somebody? You knew Stephano was going to find a way because he is playing the game on a different level, one most foreigners seem unable to reach. Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout.
When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:41 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:40 Lorning wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 GumBa wrote:
This thread took a turn Just wait until they start arguing who the best foreigner is Nothing to argue, Nerchio knows.
Finally someone who has seen the light
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So, the only counter to swarm hosts is swarm hosts, right?
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JD, please eliminate Stephano!
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On May 05 2014 04:41 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:40 Lorning wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 GumBa wrote:
This thread took a turn Just wait until they start arguing who the best foreigner is O god..Lorning hold me
INoVation will somehow count as a foreigner cause he is part of a foreign team.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Stephano has achieved more than Boxer ever will
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On May 05 2014 04:41 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It doesn't destroy the scene, its how it is in every big individual sport and its what drives them, not the opposite. Tiger MADE golf what it is. Nadal, Fed etc are the drivers of worldwide interest in tennis etc.
You need dominating players and personalities to grow a scene. The game itself will never bring the same level of interest because only players/hardcore fans will watch. Tiger didn't make golf what it is by being popular. neither did Nadal and Fed dominate tennis because of their fanbase. They did it by being the best. how can you not see the difference? Stephano is NOT the best.
He was the best (foreign player). Him beating pros while studying fulltime just reiterates this.
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I think AxelToss will die from throat cancer before the end of the tournament :D
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On May 05 2014 04:42 NKexquisite wrote:
So, the only counter to swarm hosts is swarm hosts, right?
I used to think ultras countered SHs. LOL me.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:42 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:41 GumBa wrote:On May 05 2014 04:40 Lorning wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 GumBa wrote:
This thread took a turn Just wait until they start arguing who the best foreigner is O god..Lorning hold me INoVation will somehow count as a foreigner cause he is part of a foreign team.
Thats about the time. I start whoopin some ass
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On May 05 2014 04:42 GumBa wrote:
Stephano has achieved more than Boxer ever will
Now that's a bait that's just too big.
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On May 05 2014 04:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:41 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It doesn't destroy the scene, its how it is in every big individual sport and its what drives them, not the opposite. Tiger MADE golf what it is. Nadal, Fed etc are the drivers of worldwide interest in tennis etc.
You need dominating players and personalities to grow a scene. The game itself will never bring the same level of interest because only players/hardcore fans will watch. Tiger didn't make golf what it is by being popular. neither did Nadal and Fed dominate tennis because of their fanbase. They did it by being the best. how can you not see the difference? Stephano is NOT the best. He was the best (foreign player). Him beating pros while studying fulltime just reiterates this.
I doubt he is studying fulltime lol
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Afghanistan1636 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:41 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
It doesn't destroy the scene, its how it is in every big individual sport and its what drives them, not the opposite. Tiger MADE golf what it is. Nadal, Fed etc are the drivers of worldwide interest in tennis etc.
You need dominating players and personalities to grow a scene. The game itself will never bring the same level of interest because only players/hardcore fans will watch. Tiger didn't make golf what it is by being popular. neither did Nadal and Fed dominate tennis because of their fanbase. They did it by being the best. how can you not see the difference? Stephano is NOT the best.
But he WAS. That's the point.
Also they did do it by being popular, but they were popular by being the best. This isn't always true. For example Jimmy White in snooker was huge but was runner up 6 times and never won.
Their popularity drove the growth of the game. That's the issue here. If you want to grow the scene and not just have the dregs of a scene followed by hardcore fans only you need these personalities. You need people who viewers only tune in to watch them. Its vital. It is the opposite of destroying the scene, it is what keeps it alive and grows it.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Jaedong please save us
Tonight I'm your sheep
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United States23455 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:24 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:19 cheekymonkey wrote:
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yep
koreans have a stephano complex this is well-known No "complex," Stephano just does none of the stupid foreigner shit that every single foreigner besides him does. He actually scouts his opponent, always. He pressures while macroing. While macroing! He doesn't impatiently all-in. Basically, Stephano is a Korean. Anyway that's how I feel watching him play vs. foreigners, they are a class apart. Watching Patraeus beating him yesterday was sort of like watching him beat Life or somebody? You knew Stephano was going to find a way because he is playing the game on a different level, one most foreigners seem unable to reach. Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years.
This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history.
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On May 05 2014 04:43 RoranRock wrote:
I think AxelToss will die from throat cancer before the end of the tournament :D
That would not be funny! >:o
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On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:24 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:19 cheekymonkey wrote:
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yep
koreans have a stephano complex this is well-known No "complex," Stephano just does none of the stupid foreigner shit that every single foreigner besides him does. He actually scouts his opponent, always. He pressures while macroing. While macroing! He doesn't impatiently all-in. Basically, Stephano is a Korean. Anyway that's how I feel watching him play vs. foreigners, they are a class apart. Watching Patraeus beating him yesterday was sort of like watching him beat Life or somebody? You knew Stephano was going to find a way because he is playing the game on a different level, one most foreigners seem unable to reach. Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years.
LOL you are betraying your ignorance by proclaiming your knowledge. he didn't scout, he got caught off guard many times, and he would often do a strong build and if it didn't work he would struggle. Once he became better at adapting he was one of the best players of all time, but he still scouted less than most. He's like bomber in that respect
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On May 05 2014 04:43 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:42 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:39 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:37 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:35 Darkhorse wrote:On May 05 2014 04:34 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:32 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:31 pigmanbear wrote:On May 05 2014 04:26 Yorkie wrote:On May 05 2014 04:24 pigmanbear wrote:
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No "complex," Stephano just does none of the stupid foreigner shit that every single foreigner besides him does. He actually scouts his opponent, always. He pressures while macroing. While macroing! He doesn't impatiently all-in.
Basically, Stephano is a Korean. Anyway that's how I feel watching him play vs. foreigners, they are a class apart. Watching Patraeus beating him yesterday was sort of like watching him beat Life or somebody? You knew Stephano was going to find a way because he is playing the game on a different level, one most foreigners seem unable to reach. Stephano was literally famous for never scouting and just playing his own way... Stephano scouts to get the information he needs, like Korean progamers do. He doesn't vodoo scout like most foreigners. No literally he was famous for never drone scouting. Go back and listen to past interviews. He would not scout. At all. What does drone scouting have to do with anything? Do you even know what scouting is? Hint: It takes place after the 4:00 mark too. What the fuck is this sentence and why would you say it? Great argument. Anybody who thinks "doesn't drone scout" = "doesn't scout" probably has a poor definition of scouting. Great post. He didn't drone scout. Then he followed it up with not scouting. Then after that he would keep not scouting. He and others who watched him play and knew him personally (I remember an interview with Idra with him saying this) have said that he did not scout. When I see Stephano pressuring his opponent's natural and he smartly retreats and produces zerglings based on some very small information, that is scouting. He plays a safe style and is always probing his opponent with units. Don't try and teach me history, I have been watching SC2 constantly since the game came out. Stephano gets caught off-guard by gimmicks far less than most players, for years. This is a really stupid argument for everyone involved. But congrats on your supreme knowledge of game history.
Thanks for contributing. You just trying to boost your post count or what? Thread full of shitposts.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On May 05 2014 04:43 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 04:42 GumBa wrote:
Stephano has achieved more than Boxer ever will Now that's a bait that's just too big.
I want to cause the end times
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btw bracket of nations wars out
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EPT
