GSL S2 Code S - Dark is at ~ 1.76 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 45.5 % of the time Dark wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.21 %. ~ 54.5 % of the time Dark loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.55 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TAiLS is at ~ 0.31 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 29.71 % of the time TAiLS wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.83 %. ~ 70.29 % of the time TAiLS loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.09 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bbyong is at ~ 6.19 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 55.32 % of the time Bbyong wins and their chances go up to ~ 9.42 %. ~ 44.68 % of the time Bbyong loses and their chances go down to ~ 2.2 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Zest is at ~ 99.62 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 69.47 % of the time Zest wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.92 %. ~ 30.53 % of the time Zest loses and their chances go down to ~ 98.95 %.
On April 30 2014 17:21 Pandemona wrote: Wait im not a protoss supporter I like Maruuuuuuu and play Terran when i randomly ladder once every 3 months :D Thats about it
On April 30 2014 17:21 Pandemona wrote: Wait im not a protoss supporter I like Maruuuuuuu and play Terran when i randomly ladder once every 3 months :D Thats about it
On April 30 2014 17:19 Lorning wrote: Passion = alive Lorning = on a 4 day trip to switserland
So you know you posted this on your mobile device, why not post the whole thread?!?!
Mobile Data in UK cheapppp Then again maybe not if i think about it; £45 a month im paying for my new Samsung S5. 4G and 1GB of data a month. However Vodafone decided that the next 3 months are "free data plans" so i can uses whatever i want mobile data (UK Only) for next 3 months.
Also that £45 gives me free spotify premium (aka £10 a month Spotify) so i guess it balances out? As i was paying £10 a month for Spotify anyway
GSL S2 Code S - Dark is at ~ 1.76 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 45.5 % of the time Dark wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.21 %. ~ 54.5 % of the time Dark loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.55 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TAiLS is at ~ 0.31 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 29.71 % of the time TAiLS wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.83 %. ~ 70.29 % of the time TAiLS loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.09 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bbyong is at ~ 6.19 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 55.32 % of the time Bbyong wins and their chances go up to ~ 9.42 %. ~ 44.68 % of the time Bbyong loses and their chances go down to ~ 2.2 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Zest is at ~ 99.62 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 69.47 % of the time Zest wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.92 %. ~ 30.53 % of the time Zest loses and their chances go down to ~ 98.95 %.
On April 30 2014 17:21 Pandemona wrote: Wait im not a protoss supporter I like Maruuuuuuu and play Terran when i randomly ladder once every 3 months :D Thats about it
On April 30 2014 17:19 Lorning wrote: Passion = alive Lorning = on a 4 day trip to switserland
So you know you posted this on your mobile device, why not post the whole thread?!?!
On April 30 2014 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Where art thou Shelly? SHELLLLLYYY??!?! Where are thou Oh wow fancy new scoreboard from GOM ;o Blink all inDTs!!!!!!! vs Stargate....GL zest ;o
On April 30 2014 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Where art thou Shelly? SHELLLLLYYY??!?! Where are thou Oh wow fancy new scoreboard from GOM ;o Blink all inDTs!!!!!!! vs Stargate....GL zest ;o
Zest playstyle is focused around mass zealot, in WoL I played mass zealot supported by immortals and sentries that transitions into mass zealots with colo and archons that zest plays now all the time. I am so happy to see this kind of style destroying other protoss players because its so much fun to play in PvP. I still dont understand why players didnt realize already that he plays it so many times and go for the fast archon mass zealot compo that will delete this in the early stages of the mid game, 2-3 archons pretty much kill 10 zealots instantly.
On April 30 2014 18:26 Schelim wrote: Zest making Tails look like an American
Haha. Haha. So fhanny. Hey, did you hear the one about the American Terran who decimated the Korean Protoss today?
no, who did that?
Illusion, but feel free to call him Korean
nice job by him. but i think you'll understand that my comment wasn't 100% serious. and to be fair, Zest would've made JYP look just as bad as he made Tails look there.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
IM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF HAHAHAHAHA
well if you can't take a joke maybe you just shouldn't read LR threads. my comment was literally ten times tamer than a lot of stuff that gets thrown around in these threads.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
Because its so easy and we are presented with lots of good opportunities daily.
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
It goes both ways, that. I wouldn't call it nationalism anyway, more like patriotism or an ego complex. Fair enough, there's no reason to take it too far in an LR thread, but there's also no reason to react in a poor way just because someone cracks a joke about a korean "playing like an american".
Though I guess you could just as well say "playing like a foreigner."
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
It goes both ways, that. I wouldn't call it nationalism anyway, more like patriotism or an ego complex. Fair enough, there's no reason to take it too far in an LR thread, but there's also no reason to react in a poor way just because someone cracks a joke about a korean "playing like an american".
Though I guess you could just as well say "playing like a foreigner."
you know, i actually wanted to say that at first but then i remembered ToD and Bunny slapping down Koreans at DH last weekend.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
It goes both ways, that. I wouldn't call it nationalism anyway, more like patriotism or an ego complex. Fair enough, there's no reason to take it too far in an LR thread, but there's also no reason to react in a poor way just because someone cracks a joke about a korean "playing like an american".
Though I guess you could just as well say "playing like a foreigner."
Yes, we can all unite by embracing our collective self-loathing of ourselves as sub-par gamers. In this regard I make no difference between Americans and Europeans: we all suck.
On April 30 2014 18:29 Heartland wrote: So much American defensiveness today :/
the condescending asshole thing europeans do gets old
You really need to learn how to take a joke. This is a standard thing in LR threads, dude.
It's all in good fun.
See, that's why I wonder why people on here try and make drama happen when TotalBiscuit comments in one of these. LR threads are giant digital bull sessions.
TB is pretty good at creating drama himself
No Drama, just good publicity :D He is like one of those women from the reality shows. Get their boobies out on TV insta fame. To keep that fame you have to sexy time a lot of big high profile celebs or go on massive parties and orgies. TB does it by popping into LR threads and making juicy comments that makes us all tingly and then a riot breaks out :D
Winner = Axiom and TB xD
TB is literally a Kardashian
ROFLLLLLL WTB his sex tape....
What the hell. You took it too far :s
Well if TB is Kim K....have you seen the Kim K sex tape...dang that shit was good ;o
On April 30 2014 18:43 noneforall wrote: Can anyone tell me what are those tapes all players wearing on their shirts?
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
It goes both ways, that. I wouldn't call it nationalism anyway, more like patriotism or an ego complex. Fair enough, there's no reason to take it too far in an LR thread, but there's also no reason to react in a poor way just because someone cracks a joke about a korean "playing like an american".
Though I guess you could just as well say "playing like a foreigner."
Yes, we can all unite by embracing our collective self-loathing of ourselves as sub-par gamers. In this regard I make no difference between Americans and Europeans: we all suck.
Hear hear! We should all bow down to the Korean master race.
On April 30 2014 18:38 Heartland wrote: I actually do think that there is a thing where Europeans are jerks to Americans and take every chance to take pot shots at them. Maybe it's some kind of weird European nationalism or something. So I think people should take that into consideration.
It goes both ways, that. I wouldn't call it nationalism anyway, more like patriotism or an ego complex. Fair enough, there's no reason to take it too far in an LR thread, but there's also no reason to react in a poor way just because someone cracks a joke about a korean "playing like an american".
Though I guess you could just as well say "playing like a foreigner."
Yes, we can all unite by embracing our collective self-loathing of ourselves as sub-par gamers. In this regard I make no difference between Americans and Europeans: we all suck.
Hear hear! We should all bow down to the Korean master race.
If you queue up a SCV with minerals in its claw (it's a claw right?) to make a building or whatever, after the building is complete does it lose what it was carrying?
On April 30 2014 18:47 Pandemona wrote: If you queue up a SCV with minerals in its claw (it's a claw right?) to make a building or whatever, after the building is complete does it lose what it was carrying?
If a DT chills in the corner of the map all game, did it ever really exist?
On April 30 2014 18:47 Pandemona wrote: If you queue up a SCV with minerals in its claw (it's a claw right?) to make a building or whatever, after the building is complete does it lose what it was carrying?
If a DT chills in the corner of the map all game, did it ever really exist?
LOL Oh god, it's getting to technical for me now ;o
On April 30 2014 18:47 Pandemona wrote: If you queue up a SCV with minerals in its claw (it's a claw right?) to make a building or whatever, after the building is complete does it lose what it was carrying?
On April 30 2014 18:47 Pandemona wrote: If you queue up a SCV with minerals in its claw (it's a claw right?) to make a building or whatever, after the building is complete does it lose what it was carrying?
BByong doing what he could to clean up creap, had his army split for some moments and then he got massacred when Dark collected his army. Feels like standard ZvT now.
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
Well Bio-Terrans dont have many options to deal with them if Zergs does not run them into Marauders or Thors. Tanks are not used cause of Mutas and Mines just aint what they used to be. Terrans require a very high marine count to fight the Mutas and when there are almost as many Banelings as Marines it does not really matter how well you split.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
Better live with broken wrists than die of boredom.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
Yeah but Mech is terrible until your like 150/160 supply. The roach timings you can hit vs Mech is a joke. Early mech dies to Muta if you don't scout it or roach timings. If you can get to 150/160 supply on semi even footings you can do well, other than that Mech is just not worth it.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
Better live with broken wrists than die of boredom.
Yes, I very much prefer to watch bio too (in fact, I think bio vs zerg is the most entertaining thing to watch starcraft wise), but it shouldn't come at the expense of the player's health. Also, I think mech would me much more entertaining if there were no swarm hosts.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
Better live with broken wrists than die of boredom.
Yes, I very much prefer to watch bio too (in fact, I think bio vs zerg is the most entertaining thing to watch starcraft wise), but it shouldn't come at the expense of the player's health. Also, I think mech would me much more entertaining if there were no swarm hosts.
You're right. But don't worry, people can play bio without automatically having wrist problems. (:
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
If everyone played mech like Flash (on occasion) plays mech TvZ - the very aggressive style with pre-200 attacks and constant move outs - I would not mind seeing mech way more often than now.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
If everyone played mech like Flash (on occasion) plays mech TvZ - the very aggressive style with pre-200 attacks and constant move outs - I would not mind seeing mech way more often than now.
Unfortunately this is only viable against certain Zerg answers (on top of being very hard to execute).
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
If everyone played mech like Flash (on occasion) plays mech TvZ - the very aggressive style with pre-200 attacks and constant move outs - I would not mind seeing mech way more often than now.
That game vs DRG in Proleague was fantastic for sure
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
If everyone played mech like Flash (on occasion) plays mech TvZ - the very aggressive style with pre-200 attacks and constant move outs - I would not mind seeing mech way more often than now.
That game vs DRG in Proleague was fantastic for sure
I remember one game on King Sejong Station against DRG and one on Outboxer (also against DRG?). They were glorious.
On April 30 2014 19:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I still wonder if that roach attack at 160 supply was worth it. He lost so many for like 4 tanks and a thor.
And now he's 6 bases vs 3 with a Swarm host contain, so the answer is fairly obvious.
On April 30 2014 18:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On April 30 2014 18:55 Jono7272 wrote: Zergs seem to be crushing Terrans in macro games recently by just building a silly amount of banelings..
It's smart. All the terrans that can split against so many banelings have broken wrists already
Haha, the wrist breaker strat, smart indeed.
New cruel meta. Eventually all Terrans will play mech.
I really hope Terrans will start playing more mech. It is so worrying when you see someone like MMA micro and split in several locations at once. What will happen to his wrist, and what problems could a lifetime of such wrist movements lead to later in life?
I salute these brave men sacrificing their wrists. I'm not sure my E-Sports passion could be maintained with mech in every TvZ
If everyone played mech like Flash (on occasion) plays mech TvZ - the very aggressive style with pre-200 attacks and constant move outs - I would not mind seeing mech way more often than now.
That game vs DRG in Proleague was fantastic for sure
I remember one game on King Sejong Station against DRG and one on Outboxer (also against DRG?). They were glorious.
Flash was meching Sniper on Outboxer. Sick positioning by Dark, amazing ZvT.
I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
On April 30 2014 19:16 liberate71 wrote: I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
Well the Raven is kind of a science vessel, the problem is that you can run out of range of HSM. Irridate will always kill the unit^^ Though it would be pretty strong with smart-cast
On April 30 2014 19:16 liberate71 wrote: I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
On April 30 2014 19:16 liberate71 wrote: I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
Well the Raven is kind of a science vessel
Please never write this again.
I said "kind of" I know it isnt and there is quite a difference
On April 30 2014 19:16 liberate71 wrote: I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
Well the Raven is kind of a science vessel
Please never write this again.
I said "kind of" I know it isnt and there is quite a difference
On April 30 2014 19:20 Varroth wrote: Uhh i havnt ever seen this guy ''Bbyong'' play and everyone was hyping him up well is this how good he normally is?
When you have so few terrans left, everyone of them is a hero.
On April 30 2014 19:16 liberate71 wrote: I wish they'd bring back Science Vessels so that these situations weren't just frustrating for the Terran, it actually requires some sneaky drops/runbys/movement from both sides.
Well the Raven is kind of a science vessel
Please never write this again.
I said "kind of" I know it isnt and there is quite a difference
On April 30 2014 19:31 liberate71 wrote: I had a guy 3-hatch-before-pool me on this map last night, but his 2nd and 3rd hatches were in the mains of the other bases...
Wolf casts everything these days. You won't find an English stream in Korea without Wolf in it.
code S used to be tastosis only though, no?
Wolf was casting 3/4 with either Tasteless or Artosis last season, except for the finals. Tbh, Tasteless was ill a bit last season and Artosis was at SSC. I guess, Tasteless is still jetlagged and sleeping.
Wolf casts everything these days. You won't find an English stream in Korea without Wolf in it.
code S used to be tastosis only though, no?
Wolf was casting 3/4 with either Tasteless or Artosis last season, except for the finals. Tbh, Tasteless was ill a bit last season and Artosis was at SSC. I guess, Tasteless is still jetlagged and sleeping.
3/4s of the code S cast was done by wolf?
code S lost half its value q_q to me anyway
unless we get like back to 100% tastosis in the future again. tastosis was exclusive to code S which was one of the reasons I would tune in regardless of what was going on if I ever hapened to be in a position to watch it
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
Sarcasm?
Indeed
Okey. Wasn't sure since I dont see how i could possibly of known there was a hide twitch chat since i've never even tried to =P making me feel like sarcasm didnt fit in here
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
Sarcasm?
Indeed
Okey. Wasn't sure since I dont see how i could possibly of known there was a hide twitch chat since i've never even tried to =P making me feel like sarcasm didnt fit in here
SoS, Life or Maru could shut down Zest. Don't know if they will but in my opinion those are the ones that has the greatest chances to take a series off of Zest. Maybe if herO gets back in the groove he can take him down =) Always enjoy watching herO when he's on fire ^_^
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT, except for DRG but he's with him in Ro32 :D
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
With all the complaining about twitch I don't know how more people aren't aware you can watch any twitch stream via VLC...
^^^ All the instructions there. Not really hard to set up . Maybe I'll make a blog post about it tomorrow. Through VLC you can change the aspect ratio... stream rarely lags... you can adjust brightness, hue, sharpness, etc. always have used it to watch SC2. .
No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it...
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
With all the complaining about twitch I don't know how more people aren't aware you can watch any twitch stream via VLC...
^^^ All the instructions there. Not really hard to set up . Maybe I'll make a blog post about it tomorrow. Through VLC you can change the aspect ratio... stream rarely lags... you can adjust brightness, hue, sharpness, etc. always have used it to watch SC2. .
No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it...
Doesnt matter, all the sane people have noscript/adblock/ghostery installed
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
With all the complaining about twitch I don't know how more people aren't aware you can watch any twitch stream via VLC...
^^^ All the instructions there. Not really hard to set up . Maybe I'll make a blog post about it tomorrow. Through VLC you can change the aspect ratio... stream rarely lags... you can adjust brightness, hue, sharpness, etc. always have used it to watch SC2. .
No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it...
Doesnt matter, all the sane people have noscript/adblock/ghostery installed
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
On April 30 2014 20:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
Maru looks rather disappointing atm, i am not sure if he even makes the ro16 :/ Well sOs is scary, i give you that^^
Well, Maru has 2 Protosses in his group, so he should advance.
Jaedong's ZvT is not particularly good though (see: 4-0 polt,bomber, rekt by innovation, bomber again this year)
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
Maru's TvZ isn't "bad," and he definitely has his chances in a bo3 against many of them, if only because of his superb 11/11, but I wouldn't bet on him against the likes of Solar, DRG, Rogue, Soulkey, ByuL or soO, and apparently Dark, and the rest is still dangerous.
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
On April 30 2014 20:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
Maru looks rather disappointing atm, i am not sure if he even makes the ro16 :/ Well sOs is scary, i give you that^^
Well, Maru has 2 Protosses in his group, so he should advance.
Jaedong's ZvT is not particularly good though (see: 4-0 polt,bomber, rekt by innovation, bomber again this year)
I don't say that JD's ZvT is unreal, but his game sense is probably the best on the scene. And when you play Maru, you have to expect everything from this kid.
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
Maru's TvZ isn't "bad," and he definitely has his chances in a bo3 against many of them, if only because of his superb 11/11, but I wouldn't bet on him against the likes of Solar, DRG, Rogue, Soulkey, ByuL or soO, and apparently Dark, and the rest is still dangerous.
DRG will again lose in Ro16 to Protosses, Rogue and Byul won't make out from groups, SKT Zergs will crash Maru and Solar is weirdest kid in the planet. Or Byul will make out from groups and Solar won't, but Byul isn't particularly impressive in ZvT.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
With all the complaining about twitch I don't know how more people aren't aware you can watch any twitch stream via VLC...
^^^ All the instructions there. Not really hard to set up . Maybe I'll make a blog post about it tomorrow. Through VLC you can change the aspect ratio... stream rarely lags... you can adjust brightness, hue, sharpness, etc. always have used it to watch SC2. .
No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it...
Doesnt matter, all the sane people have noscript/adblock/ghostery installed
Still laggless (or considerably less lag/choppiness) + video editing options
On April 30 2014 20:02 Shuffleblade wrote: SoS, Life or Maru could shut down Zest. Don't know if they will but in my opinion those are the ones that has the greatest chances to take a series off of Zest. Maybe if herO gets back in the groove he can take him down =) Always enjoy watching herO when he's on fire ^_^
Life with his current ZvP form, no. sOs could, but it would be very coin flippy. Maru I'd actually favor.
On April 30 2014 19:54 Varroth wrote: Can you watch this anywhere besides Twitch.tv? I can't take the stupidity in the chat
There's this groundbreaking button that twitch just released that allows you to hide chat. They literally just released it, so I'm sure that's why you've never heard of it.
With all the complaining about twitch I don't know how more people aren't aware you can watch any twitch stream via VLC...
^^^ All the instructions there. Not really hard to set up . Maybe I'll make a blog post about it tomorrow. Through VLC you can change the aspect ratio... stream rarely lags... you can adjust brightness, hue, sharpness, etc. always have used it to watch SC2. .
No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it...
Doesnt matter, all the sane people have noscript/adblock/ghostery installed
Still laggless (or considerably less lag/choppiness) + video editing options
Ups, didnt mean it like this :D. Meant this sentence "No commercials though so... i know someone's gonna be mad about it... "
On April 30 2014 20:18 Frex wrote: Ugh, these spawning positions never seem to favor terran.
None of any spawns on the current maps seem to
It just sometimes feel as a terran that you might as well gg if you end up cross positions on Alterzim Stronghold. It feels so hopeless when you decide to attack.
On April 30 2014 20:02 Shuffleblade wrote: SoS, Life or Maru could shut down Zest. Don't know if they will but in my opinion those are the ones that has the greatest chances to take a series off of Zest. Maybe if herO gets back in the groove he can take him down =) Always enjoy watching herO when he's on fire ^_^
Life with his current ZvP form, no. sOs could, but it would be very coin flippy. Maru I'd actually favor.
I think Rain could also do it if he has a good day. Maru was not looking good for the last matches, I believe he has like a 30% winrate over the last ten matches. :/
On April 30 2014 20:02 Shuffleblade wrote: SoS, Life or Maru could shut down Zest. Don't know if they will but in my opinion those are the ones that has the greatest chances to take a series off of Zest. Maybe if herO gets back in the groove he can take him down =) Always enjoy watching herO when he's on fire ^_^
Life with his current ZvP form, no. sOs could, but it would be very coin flippy. Maru I'd actually favor.
On April 30 2014 20:02 Shuffleblade wrote: SoS, Life or Maru could shut down Zest. Don't know if they will but in my opinion those are the ones that has the greatest chances to take a series off of Zest. Maybe if herO gets back in the groove he can take him down =) Always enjoy watching herO when he's on fire ^_^
Life with his current ZvP form, no. sOs could, but it would be very coin flippy. Maru I'd actually favor.
I think Rain could also do it if he has a good day. Maru was not looking good for the last matches, I believe he has like a 30% winrate over the last ten matches. :/
Maru might've just been resting for a bit before GSL, he was the only one to beat Zest last season. I think in addition to those players, Supernova could possibly do it.
Lost the MSC so no possibility to keep Terran at home. And decided to go Charge and four more gates mass gateway-army rather than colossus or templars.
On April 30 2014 20:31 Tobblish wrote: I don't get what Tails game plan is in this game.
I think his game plan was to do a blink fake-out and do a variant on the 3-base, mass gateway, Blink Stalker+Sentry army that smashes the Terran counterpush. Only his variant was based on Charge and mass zealot instead. But he lost his MSC so he couldn't hold the Terran back in his base and so he just went over the map and fucking killed him.
On April 30 2014 20:31 Tobblish wrote: I don't get what Tails game plan is in this game.
I think his game plan was to do a blink fake-out and do a variant on the 3-base, mass gateway, Blink Stalker+Sentry army that smashes the Terran counterpush. Only his variant was based on Charge and mass zealot instead. But he lost his MSC so he couldn't hold the Terran back in his base and so he just went over the map and fucking killed him.
On April 30 2014 20:31 Tobblish wrote: I don't get what Tails game plan is in this game.
I think his game plan was to do a blink fake-out and do a variant on the 3-base, mass gateway, Blink Stalker+Sentry army that smashes the Terran counterpush. Only his variant was based on Charge and mass zealot instead. But he lost his MSC so he couldn't hold the Terran back in his base and so he just went over the map and fucking killed him.
He just looked lost, never even remade the MSC :s
I have a feeling he is under orders from Rain to lose
On April 30 2014 20:44 Tobblish wrote: I thought that Tails was going to kick some serious ass after the first set but wtf happened in the last two?
Wasn't playing on Alterzim cross for a start
I dunno, he just seemed to tilt really hardcore, not rebuilding his mothership cores in sets 2 and 3 (not to mention losing them in the first place) when his gameplans seemed so reliant on them etc
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
No way Maru wins this season with his TvZ.
If he doesn't hit Soulkey or other SKT Zerg, i don't see a problem. Let's be honest, Maru's TvZ can be bad against guys like Jaedong who has incredible game sense but against Life last season, Maru threw everything by himself. Other Zergs doesn't have as beastly ZvT.
On April 30 2014 20:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 20:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Jokes aside, what is this song? :D
On April 30 2014 19:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 30 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: So who is going to stop Zest this season? I don't see anyone who is likely to do it
Anyone in top-16.
Mhm no, if anything i could see him lose to a terran, but there aren't really that many in code s^^
Either Maru or sOs will win this season. Or if Zest gets eliminated by JinAir duo, someone from SKT T1 who isn't PartinG will win :D
Maru looks rather disappointing atm, i am not sure if he even makes the ro16 :/ Well sOs is scary, i give you that^^
Well, Maru has 2 Protosses in his group, so he should advance.
Jaedong's ZvT is not particularly good though (see: 4-0 polt,bomber, rekt by innovation, bomber again this year)
It was bad then it got EXTREMLY good a short while before blizzcon and stayed extremely good for a short while after (3-0 Mvp 3-1 Maru) at Blizzcon
After reading that balance report update thread, it makes sense in what blizzard said in TvZ. If Zerg can get to mid late game their economy just carriers them so far that they are miles ahead. Aka a 19minute mark he is sat with 1.5k min bank and like nearly 1k gas, its impossible to beat that as a Terran, impossible unless your mech and turtle your way through it.
The casters need to realize hitting a thor with banes isn't an accident. Zerg are doing it all the time now since all that matters is nothing can oppose their mutas. It's a quick way to get rid of a threat, and they can easily afford it in the late game.
After reading that balance report update thread, it makes sense in what blizzard said in TvZ. If Zerg can get to mid late game their economy just carriers them so far that they are miles ahead. Aka a 19minute mark he is sat with 1.5k min bank and like nearly 1k gas, its impossible to beat that as a Terran, impossible unless your mech and turtle your way through it.
well you need to trade effeciently, otherwise you die.bbyong did the opposite of trading effecient, losing that first huge chunk of army was pretty game breaking. if toss doesn't trade effeciently against zerg you can also say it's broken which it isn't
On April 30 2014 21:19 AaronChance wrote: The casters need to realize hitting a thor with banes isn't an accident. Zerg are doing it all the time now since all that matters is nothing can oppose their mutas. It's a quick way to get rid of a threat, and they can easily afford it in the late game.
I am not sure about that. Banelings do something like 20 damage to non biological. And thors have 400hp... You would need 20 banes for 1 thor and that is not cost efficient at all. If there is only 1 thor you can easily magic box it if there is no marines backing him up.. It was just a matter of having a huge bank, great remax potential so he didn't probably care.
Very poor decisions by Bbyong running away, losing like 4 full medivacs for next to nothing. If he'd just split and fought, he would have traded for a good chunk of Dark's army. As it was, Dark didn't even have to spend his banelings and just got a 50 supply lead for free, which snowballed all the way to the end.
On April 30 2014 21:19 AaronChance wrote: The casters need to realize hitting a thor with banes isn't an accident. Zerg are doing it all the time now since all that matters is nothing can oppose their mutas. It's a quick way to get rid of a threat, and they can easily afford it in the late game.
I am not sure about that. Banelings do something like 20 damage to non biological. And thors have 400hp... You would need 20 banes for 1 thor and that is not cost efficient at all. If there is only 1 thor you can easily magic box it if there is no marines backing him up.. It was just a matter of having a huge bank, great remax potential so he didn't probably care.
Lings deal 7/8 damage/hit as well, Mutas deal 8-10 usually. It's mostly just an amove because well, with such a massive lead that's pretty fine
On April 30 2014 21:19 AaronChance wrote: The casters need to realize hitting a thor with banes isn't an accident. Zerg are doing it all the time now since all that matters is nothing can oppose their mutas. It's a quick way to get rid of a threat, and they can easily afford it in the late game.
I am not sure about that. Banelings do something like 20 damage to non biological. And thors have 400hp... You would need 20 banes for 1 thor and that is not cost efficient at all. If there is only 1 thor you can easily magic box it if there is no marines backing him up.. It was just a matter of having a huge bank, great remax potential so he didn't probably care.
Zerg don't need to be cost efficient in that situation though. They just need to keep their mutas alive. Also magic box takes time and apm when the mutas could be killing something else. I've noticed pro zergs doing it more and more in the late game recently. A little too much for them all to be accidents.
I really don't like mech - think it's boring most of the times - but seeing how ridiculously bad bio-mine still is I guess terrans are obligated to turtle into a big mech push. The flashy (and balanced!) wol-like TvZ with lots of drop play, multipronged attacks, situations where successful micro could produce a miracle (like happy's marines) is almost extinct
On April 30 2014 21:29 juvenal wrote: I really don't like mech - think it's boring most of the times - but seeing how ridiculously bad bio-mine still is I guess terrans are obligated to turtle into a big mech push. The flashy (and balanced!) wol-like TvZ with lots of drop play, multipronged attacks, situations where successful micro could produce a miracle (like happy's marines) is almost extinct
i actually like high-level mech vs swarmhost games as long as they don't take 3 hours.
I really like how committed Dark is to protecting his economy, he will rather pull his mutas back and clean up harassment than risk losing his lead by counter attacking for little gain.
Also, Dark is one the best players I've seen when it comes to being aggressive with his hosts, he knows exactly when and where to push and when to fall back. Watching 15 hosts off creep with no support spawn 2 waves and then die will ever cease to aggravate me.
After reading that balance report update thread, it makes sense in what blizzard said in TvZ. If Zerg can get to mid late game their economy just carriers them so far that they are miles ahead. Aka a 19minute mark he is sat with 1.5k min bank and like nearly 1k gas, its impossible to beat that as a Terran, impossible unless your mech and turtle your way through it.
But why is that the case now when nothing has changed in TvZ for a while? I.E, how has the MU become imbalanced?
On April 30 2014 21:42 Supter wrote: So, I started watching SCII again after a one year long pause, and I've seen many players go mech against zergs.
I still haven't seen it win.
Is mech usually good against zerg and I have only seen defeat because of bad luck, or is it really terrible ?
Nothing wins consistently against pro zergs right now. Terran can take off single games, but a series is seriously hard unless the zerg makes some big errors.
On April 30 2014 21:44 Varroth wrote: Is there anything to watch now? Before WCS Challenger?
Has vs MVP - Acer v Millenium
Has v MVP just finished, he's replaying Bomber v Has now (no surprises who won that)
say that to my face motherfucker
Well, if Mvp vs Has just finished and was played live and Bomber vs Has was played before that in a KOTH, there are no surprises, regardless who the players are.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
There aren't too many lower tier players in GSL so I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you mean someone like MVP Tails who got knocked out by BByong yesterday? I don't think Tails is necessarily "lower tier." He's just more of a Proleague type player due to his penchant for best of 1 games. BByong might be a little bit better, but he's not on a radically different level. Or maybe you mean that someone like Dark (who knocked out BByong) is a mediocre Zerg? I don't know much about him, but he wouldn't be in the GSL and on a major team if he were some scrub.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
What is wrong? Terrans getting tons of wins in SPL and then choking in Code A? It's not problem of balance, it's problem of Flash, TY, Fantasy and company who can't advance because they played bad. Can you say that SuperNova is better player than they? No. But he's in Code S for 9th time in a row.
Mvp has wrist issues, same with TaeJa, MMA and Bomber know that they won't perform in Code S, because of it they play in other regions, aLive failed because he played bad last and this season, Polt is still wrecking competition, jjakji and ForGG are still competent and InNoVation is still alive as well. + Terrans whine because in GomTvT and other times of Terran and Zerg domination - never there were as many top Protosses as right now. And still Terrans always whined that Protoss op, that deathball wrecks and stuff. Nothing changed about it, only skill of top Tosses grew up a lot. And this Code S will be won by Zerg anyway, you'll see.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
What is wrong? Terrans getting tons of wins in SPL and then choking in Code A? It's not problem of balance, it's problem of Flash, TY, Fantasy and company who can't advance because they played bad. Can you say that SuperNova is better player than they? No. But he's in Code S for 9th time in a row.
Mvp has wrist issues, same with TaeJa, MMA and Bomber know that they won't perform in Code S, because of it they play in other regions, aLive failed because he played bad last and this season, Polt is still wrecking competition, jjakji and ForGG are still competent and InNoVation is still alive as well. + Terrans whine because in GomTvT and other times of Terran and Zerg domination - never there were as many top Protosses as right now. And still Terrans always whined that Protoss op, that deathball wrecks and stuff. Nothing changed about it, only skill of top Tosses grew up a lot. And this Code S will be won by Zerg anyway, you'll see.
Maybe it is just easier as terran to choke and play bad? What about that. You simply say "terran players were bad at that day and the toss players are all superior mentally". You should ask yourself if exactly that is part of the problem, terran is harder to play and thus if you don't play on your 100% lvl you just lose relatively easy to the other races?! I get kinda angry when i read your post tbh and i am not even a terran player, i just think the current state of terran in comparison to zerg and protoss is kinda sad.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
How many terrans are that you are refering to? If you mean TY, Flash and Maru: there is a reason they got nicknames like "GOD". Because they even win when they have an inferior race. They found a way that only works for them, to work around the imbalance.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
What is wrong? Terrans getting tons of wins in SPL and then choking in Code A? It's not problem of balance, it's problem of Flash, TY, Fantasy and company who can't advance because they played bad. Can you say that SuperNova is better player than they? No. But he's in Code S for 9th time in a row.
Mvp has wrist issues, same with TaeJa, MMA and Bomber know that they won't perform in Code S, because of it they play in other regions, aLive failed because he played bad last and this season, Polt is still wrecking competition, jjakji and ForGG are still competent and InNoVation is still alive as well. + Terrans whine because in GomTvT and other times of Terran and Zerg domination - never there were as many top Protosses as right now. And still Terrans always whined that Protoss op, that deathball wrecks and stuff. Nothing changed about it, only skill of top Tosses grew up a lot. And this Code S will be won by Zerg anyway, you'll see.
Maybe it is just easier as terran to choke and play bad? What about that. You simply say "terran players were bad at that day and the toss players are all superior mentally". You should ask yourself if exactly that is part of the problem, terran is harder to play and thus if you don't play on your 100% lvl you just lose relatively easy to the other races?! I get kinda angry when i read your post tbh and i am not even a terran player, i just think the current state of terran in comparison to zerg and protoss is kinda sad.
that is absolutely what is the problem with the game. You have to constantly harass, pressure, trade, defend, micro and macro as terran. Can't lean back. It is similar with other races but not the same: In TvP you don't watch your army 1 sec, you can die to the power of storms. Or you don't split perfectly in TvZ, then banelings might just hit your army. And as terran there is always the problem: if you trade away your whole army, you are dead, cause you cannot remake enough units fast enough. While protoss can even warpin units faster in the TERRANS main then the terran can produce units in the main, because of warpin mechanic. Between winning and losing, there is a much smaller line as terran. I don't say Z or P are very imba to terran, but I do say thx to some mechanics, toss is way more forgiving. Like blocking out things with forcefields. Or you can deathball with one army group. Defense at home? 1-2 Chargelots and a templar is enough against a 4-Medivac-Doomdrop (see flash vs rain: Flash simultanously dropped out of 4 medivacs in the main of rain, 4 medivacs in the natural, did NO damage, lost everything. How? Feedback, Storm and while the chargelots go to work rain just needs to warp in some units, there is overcharge as well if needed.)
And also thx for stating that all the best terran players and the only one who were competitive over a long period of time, have now wrist issues, while that is not a common thing with other races. Could this be even a physical proof, that terran wins are hard work?
On May 02 2014 07:51 cheekymonkey wrote: Rollora, you call it a problem when that's in fact what makes Terran the most fun race to watch.
Cheekymonkey you are 100% right, this is so 100% true. Every matchup with a Terran involved is so much more fun to watch then PvZ or the mirrors. Yeah I even enjoy TvT more. Because of the complex mechanics and because of the multitasking and awesomeness required to pull of a win with terran (slightly exagerating ). I have to quoute you again:
On May 02 2014 07:51 cheekymonkey wrote: Rollora, you call it a problem when that's in fact what makes Terran the most fun race to watch.
but then again it IS a problem, if the race that is most enjoyable to watch is non-existent in some leagues anymore, therefore you can't watch it anymore. It's like over night every Tawny Roberts video on the web is being deleted
Can we please stop the Terran elitism a bit? Please guys, it's really infuriating to see this kind of comments spamming everywhere, and really, it doesn't solve anything, nor adds anything to what we should be discussing: who's our favourite player, who we think will win, current meta, how awesome Starcraft is, etc....you know, the good things.
On May 02 2014 08:32 silvana wrote: Can we please stop the Terran elitism a bit? Please guys, it's really infuriating to see this kind of comments spamming everywhere, and really, it doesn't solve anything, nor adds anything to what we should be discussing: who's our favourite player, who we think will win, current meta, how awesome Starcraft is, etc....you know, the good things.
I don't think its elitism. People care about the game, so they are giving their opinions and if we don't speak up now sc2 will continue to die out. if you ask any sc2 fan they will for the most part say their favorite matchups include a Terran in it, and with so few Terrans doing well; the game is getting boring fast
Not sure how much longer sc can go on like this tbh.
On May 02 2014 08:32 silvana wrote: Can we please stop the Terran elitism a bit? Please guys, it's really infuriating to see this kind of comments spamming everywhere, and really, it doesn't solve anything, nor adds anything to what we should be discussing: who's our favourite player, who we think will win, current meta, how awesome Starcraft is, etc....you know, the good things.
I don't think its elitism. People care about the game, so they are giving their opinions and if we don't speak up now sc2 will continue to die out. if you ask any sc2 fan they will for the most part say their favorite matchups include a Terran in it, and with so few Terrans doing well; the game is getting boring fast
Not sure how much longer sc can go on like this tbh.
I've seen *few* threads where people discuss and give their opinions in a respectful way, without trying to make the other person feel miserable. Of course I'm all about people giving their opinions and discussing stuff. What I tried to say is that we should stop this "my race is better" attitude, and the "your achievements mean nothing because your race is OP" thing. (I'm wasting my time tho. Silly me.)
On the other hand, SC2 won't get any better with this sh*t flooding every single thread. It will only get worse. Tell me about one single person that feels better after reading all this. And the people who speak this way know it, but it seems they don't care about the game and just want to win a fight on the internet.
Meh, in the end, I ended up ranting just as everyone else -.-
On May 02 2014 08:32 silvana wrote: Can we please stop the Terran elitism a bit? Please guys, it's really infuriating to see this kind of comments spamming everywhere, and really, it doesn't solve anything, nor adds anything to what we should be discussing: who's our favourite player, who we think will win, current meta, how awesome Starcraft is, etc....you know, the good things.
I don't think its elitism. People care about the game, so they are giving their opinions and if we don't speak up now sc2 will continue to die out. if you ask any sc2 fan they will for the most part say their favorite matchups include a Terran in it, and with so few Terrans doing well; the game is getting boring fast
Not sure how much longer sc can go on like this tbh.
Terran Match-ups may be more entertaining are also entertaining just less so(not in a hugely major way) IMO.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
What is wrong? Terrans getting tons of wins in SPL and then choking in Code A? It's not problem of balance, it's problem of Flash, TY, Fantasy and company who can't advance because they played bad. Can you say that SuperNova is better player than they? No. But he's in Code S for 9th time in a row.
Mvp has wrist issues, same with TaeJa, MMA and Bomber know that they won't perform in Code S, because of it they play in other regions, aLive failed because he played bad last and this season, Polt is still wrecking competition, jjakji and ForGG are still competent and InNoVation is still alive as well. + Terrans whine because in GomTvT and other times of Terran and Zerg domination - never there were as many top Protosses as right now. And still Terrans always whined that Protoss op, that deathball wrecks and stuff. Nothing changed about it, only skill of top Tosses grew up a lot. And this Code S will be won by Zerg anyway, you'll see.
Are you seriously comparing top 3 Terran with foreigners ? And volatile and over-prepared Bo1 to Bo3 and Bo5 ? Assimilating global terrans underperformance with "bad luck" ?
If you want to evaluate top Terrans, compare them with the top of the other races. And in series, bo3, preferably bo5. You don't need a degree in theoretical Statistics to understand that.
What's the bo3/bo5 win ratio of the very top T (Maru, Innovation, BByong) against the very top Z (sOO, Life, Soulkey) since Zerg adapted to the WM nerf (late 2013, 2014) ? How many time did T take down the very top P (Zest, Parting, sOs) recently ? The win ratio is far below 45%. Only thing which makes it 45-50% ish is the fact that top 3-5 T is competing with top 15 Z/P.
On May 01 2014 08:07 cheekymonkey wrote: im getting sick of so few terrans in the gsl
wow u've been sick for almost 5 months bro. poor guy
Except this is pretty unprecedented, even at the most "unbalanced" instances with gomtvt and bl/infestor there were still variety of races in the finals, now we've had 18 finalists with only 2 terran and no tournament wins in 2014. I challenge you to find any period comparable.
You really want to connect balance with amount of races in finals? Like, seriously? If Terrans can't make it to GSL but happy to grind wins in Proleague or get money in foreign tournaments/leagues, it's not problem of balance.
In fact, it is. If there's only 3 to 5 Terrans in the world capable of earning wins/money vs lower tier Zerg/Protoss or even foreign tier Zerg/Protoss, there is something wrong.
What is wrong? Terrans getting tons of wins in SPL and then choking in Code A? It's not problem of balance, it's problem of Flash, TY, Fantasy and company who can't advance because they played bad. Can you say that SuperNova is better player than they? No. But he's in Code S for 9th time in a row.
Mvp has wrist issues, same with TaeJa, MMA and Bomber know that they won't perform in Code S, because of it they play in other regions, aLive failed because he played bad last and this season, Polt is still wrecking competition, jjakji and ForGG are still competent and InNoVation is still alive as well. + Terrans whine because in GomTvT and other times of Terran and Zerg domination - never there were as many top Protosses as right now. And still Terrans always whined that Protoss op, that deathball wrecks and stuff. Nothing changed about it, only skill of top Tosses grew up a lot. And this Code S will be won by Zerg anyway, you'll see.
Are you seriously comparing top 3 Terran with foreigners ? And volatile and over-prepared Bo1 to Bo3 and Bo5 ? Assimilating global terrans underperformance with "bad luck" ?
If you want to evaluate top Terrans, compare them with the top of the other races. And in series, bo3, preferably bo5. You don't need a degree in theoretical Statistics to understand that.
What's the bo3/bo5 win ratio of the very top T (Maru, Innovation, BByong) against the very top Z (sOO, Life, Soulkey) since Zerg adapted to the WM nerf (late 2013, 2014) ? How many time did T take down the very top P (Zest, Parting, sOs) recently ? The win ratio is far below 45%. Only thing which makes it 45-50% ish is the fact that top 3-5 T is competing with top 15 Z/P.
I won't rate Bbyong in top-3 terran even ahead of TaeJa with wrist issue, Bomber and Polt. And it's soO, not sOO.
Since WM nerf? Maru always was struggling against top-Zergs, InNoVation is like losing to everyone despite who is against him from tops.
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