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group A, europe can hold I think. :p
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Was really hoping hOpe or Zanster could make it today, but alas, it wasn't to be. 
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On May 04 2014 01:56 RBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 01:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 04 2014 01:21 RBreaker wrote:On May 04 2014 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 04 2014 00:33 RBreaker wrote:On May 04 2014 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Yet another tournament where Koreans got shafted because opponents refused to play on NA. The rulebook states that if "both players cannot agree" it will default to EU, meaning that any European who wants an advantage needs only to not agree to play NA and they can get it. As a result some of our players forfeited due to not wanting to waste their time, they were receiving 25+ lag spikes a minute as a result of having to play on EU. They were apparently not the only ones, I have heard that a bunch of Korean players trying to qualify encountered EU-based players who refused to move to a fairer server for their match. This is why that decision should not be in the hands of players, since they will always take the option which gives them the most advantage (which is fine). I cant really say that Im sorry for that happening. Since our first season last year we´ve had this rule and we´ve always pointed out that this is a european tournament and this season we went even further. The invitees are all living in Europe for simplicity and the only reason for having open qualifiers for every player around the world is to reach out for players that might want to try their luck even though it is bad latency. Theres been some players who currently live in EU but are visiting Korea or NA and wanted to see if they could qualify so they could play groups when they got home. If it is a European tournament then don't have open qualifiers. Simple as that really. Put residency requirements in place. NA barely has any tournaments anymore, EU is pretty much the only place Koreans have to go outside of WCS, since there are no open tournaments in Korea. EU tournaments should either adapt to that changing landscape and understand that they are a more important part of the international scene than they used to be, or just region-lock and not waste peoples time. We´re not forcing any players to participate.. Last qualifier had two koreans advancing and the current one still have a few remaining. Cant really see the issue here. Doesn't matter. If you are having open qualifiers then you should be ensuring both for the viewers and competitors that the best possible match environment is being used. It is extremely common knowledge that the EU-KR connection is terrible and that NA is the best possible middle ground for both sides with minimal latency. If you refuse to do this then you essentially stack the deck against one player and provide a sub-par experience for viewers who are watching players incapable of playing to their full potential. You can say "Oh they don't have to play in it" all you please but the reality is there are ZERO online Korean events for them to play in and the NA tournament scene has effectively collapsed. EU is one of the only places these players can play and EU events need to realise that and adapt accordingly, rather than deliberately handicapping players for no good reason. Either region-lock or be equitable, don't have this protectionist half-way house that only serves to frustrate players and viewers by handicapping one of them with 400+ ping and frequent lag spikes, resulting in sub-par games. What you say is true, but we still dont want to limit the qualifiers to be EU residents only, what if theres some players just outside of the borders who wants in? Should we kick them out? Let them play? Its not our fault there isnt enough online tournaments but we´re trying the best we can to provide good games. The rules clearly states what server is to be played if 2 players cant agree, if this bothers some, maybe they shouldnt have signed up? I havent heard too many complaints regarding this since many of the participants knows about this rule. If korean players want to play in our tournament even though having bad latency, I feel that we should allow them to participate. Its not like we´re going to change this rule after two successful tournaments.
You don't seem to be getting the point.
but we´re trying the best we can to provide good games.
No, you aren't. If you were, you would be ensuring that KR vs EU games are played on NA.
Its not like we´re going to change this rule after two successful tournaments.
This is stubborn and makes no sense. You don't seem to have a justification for the rule to even exist, other than "this is how we've always done it". The way you've always done it is bad.
I havent heard too many complaints regarding this
Turns out it is hard to complain if you can't speak English. Consider this a complaint from Axiom. It is extremely hard for you to justify the existence of that rule. Fairness should be your absolute priority.
Potential solutions
1) Regionlock the tournament to EU residents
2) Ensure that KR vs EU games are played on NA, like the vast majority of tournaments.
3) Create a Korean qualifier to ensure that the EU and KR players never actually have to meet until the tournament itself.
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On May 04 2014 01:56 RBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 01:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 04 2014 01:21 RBreaker wrote:On May 04 2014 01:16 TotalBiscuit wrote:On May 04 2014 00:33 RBreaker wrote:On May 04 2014 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Yet another tournament where Koreans got shafted because opponents refused to play on NA. The rulebook states that if "both players cannot agree" it will default to EU, meaning that any European who wants an advantage needs only to not agree to play NA and they can get it. As a result some of our players forfeited due to not wanting to waste their time, they were receiving 25+ lag spikes a minute as a result of having to play on EU. They were apparently not the only ones, I have heard that a bunch of Korean players trying to qualify encountered EU-based players who refused to move to a fairer server for their match. This is why that decision should not be in the hands of players, since they will always take the option which gives them the most advantage (which is fine). I cant really say that Im sorry for that happening. Since our first season last year we´ve had this rule and we´ve always pointed out that this is a european tournament and this season we went even further. The invitees are all living in Europe for simplicity and the only reason for having open qualifiers for every player around the world is to reach out for players that might want to try their luck even though it is bad latency. Theres been some players who currently live in EU but are visiting Korea or NA and wanted to see if they could qualify so they could play groups when they got home. If it is a European tournament then don't have open qualifiers. Simple as that really. Put residency requirements in place. NA barely has any tournaments anymore, EU is pretty much the only place Koreans have to go outside of WCS, since there are no open tournaments in Korea. EU tournaments should either adapt to that changing landscape and understand that they are a more important part of the international scene than they used to be, or just region-lock and not waste peoples time. We´re not forcing any players to participate.. Last qualifier had two koreans advancing and the current one still have a few remaining. Cant really see the issue here. Doesn't matter. If you are having open qualifiers then you should be ensuring both for the viewers and competitors that the best possible match environment is being used. It is extremely common knowledge that the EU-KR connection is terrible and that NA is the best possible middle ground for both sides with minimal latency. If you refuse to do this then you essentially stack the deck against one player and provide a sub-par experience for viewers who are watching players incapable of playing to their full potential. You can say "Oh they don't have to play in it" all you please but the reality is there are ZERO online Korean events for them to play in and the NA tournament scene has effectively collapsed. EU is one of the only places these players can play and EU events need to realise that and adapt accordingly, rather than deliberately handicapping players for no good reason. Either region-lock or be equitable, don't have this protectionist half-way house that only serves to frustrate players and viewers by handicapping one of them with 400+ ping and frequent lag spikes, resulting in sub-par games. What you say is true, but we still dont want to limit the qualifiers to be EU residents only, what if theres some players just outside of the borders who wants in? Should we kick them out? Let them play? Its not our fault there isnt enough online tournaments but we´re trying the best we can to provide good games. The rules clearly states what server is to be played if 2 players cant agree, if this bothers some, maybe they shouldnt have signed up? I havent heard too many complaints regarding this since many of the participants knows about this rule. If korean players want to play in our tournament even though having bad latency, I feel that we should allow them to participate. Its not like we´re going to change this rule after two successful tournaments.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
It's a real shame because the whole KR -> EU thing ruined the ZOTAC cup. If games are to be enjoyable and mean anything, then they have to be played on a level playing field.
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Great entertainment so far!  When does the playoffs begin?
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TL calendar says the playoffs start today at 16:00 GMT (+00:00) with 1 WB match and 2 LB matches.
The bracket has now been released and can be found at fragbite.se.
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On May 08 2014 18:50 Azhrak wrote:TL calendar says the playoffs start today at 16:00 GMT (+00:00) with 1 WB match and 2 LB matches. The bracket has now been released and can be found at fragbite.se.
Thanks! Wow, Snute vs Hyun again! Looks like a tough ride for Morrow in the loser bracket...
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