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cpower
228 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:11 YyapSsap wrote: When something goes wrong in TvP.. its game ending for Terran. except Parting and Zest are top 3 protoss in the world and mma is not even top 5 terran in the world. He is just bad against toss in general. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:11 BlackCompany wrote: Dunno, i dont think so. Zest played solid/safe, Parting played kind of whacky Playing solid/safe or whacky can be super PvT or bad. It just depends on the player's level. It doesn't have to be innovative or even entertaining, just effective. Regardless I doubt you or I have the understanding to judge just how good at PvT these guys are. | ||
Waxangel
United States33714 Posts
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dddoushio
81 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:14 Glorfindel! wrote: Also loving the double moral in having so many people constantly claiming: "If all Terrans around the world would return to Korea then we would have even balance in Code S" MMA returns home and gets destroyed - now the same people are saying "Ohh my God, MMA so bad, what on earth did you expect?" I think MMA today displayed that the best Terrans are actually in Code S and Jjakji, Bomber, MMA and others play in EU/NA for a reason. Polt and Taeja on another level though. I don't think there's anyone out there seriously thinking that players like MVP and Bomber and Jjakji are playing in other regions out of choice and not because they can't compete in korea anymore that would be a pretty stupid thing to believe | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:14 Glorfindel! wrote: Also loving the double moral in having so many people constantly claiming: "If all Terrans around the world would return to Korea then we would have even balance in Code S" MMA returns home and gets destroyed - now the same people are saying "Ohh my God, MMA so bad, what on earth did you expect?" I think MMA today displayed that the best Terrans are actually in Code S and Jjakji, Bomber, MMA and others play in EU/NA for a reason. Polt and Taeja on another level though. Jjakji had a deep Code S run before switching and Bomber is well, Bomber | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:14 Glorfindel! wrote: Also loving the double moral in having so many people constantly claiming: "If all Terrans around the world would return to Korea then we would have even balance in Code S" MMA returns home and gets destroyed - now the same people are saying "Ohh my God, MMA so bad, what on earth did you expect?" I think MMA today displayed that the best Terrans are actually in Code S and Jjakji, Bomber, MMA and others play in EU/NA for a reason. Polt and Taeja on another level though. Yeah I always considered that a dumb argument. KR region is still the strongest by far and the best terrans, zergs and protoss play in that region. Taeja could compete if he wasn't so depressed all the time.+ medical problems with his wrists Others, not sure, most likely not. Maybe Bomber on a good day but one just doesn't rely on Bomber to carry the race. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:14 Glorfindel! wrote: Also loving the double moral in having so many people constantly claiming: "If all Terrans around the world would return to Korea then we would have even balance in Code S" MMA returns home and gets destroyed - now the same people are saying "Ohh my God, MMA so bad, what on earth did you expect?" I think MMA today displayed that the best Terrans are actually in Code S and Jjakji, Bomber, MMA and others play in EU/NA for a reason. Polt and Taeja on another level though. Yeah lets pretend he went 0-2 0-2. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:12 dddoushio wrote: what are you talking about its fair protoss shouldn't have to put in any effort Thinking Protoss players on Zest and Parting's level don't put in any effort is both ignorant and offensive | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
Nah, actually it was 0-2, 1-2 vs the players playing in Korea, my misstake. | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:20 Glorfindel! wrote: Nah, actually it was 0-2, 1-2 vs the players playing in Korea, my misstake. Christ - theres so much extremist mentality. It's like it has to be black and white. You don't think MMA could do to someone like Dark, what he did to Revival? Just because Code S has 32 slots, doesn't mean there are only 32 Code S quality players in the world at one time. Some people have better matchups and get shit luck in matchups, some people have good days and bad days. I think its just excessively cynical to be a WCS KR elitist and slam everyone else. I'd like to think there are say... 50 Code S players in the world at one time. Rather than assuming there are only 32 (or some people think there are only 16, but the other 16 are just flukey inclusions to the Ro32) | ||
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dddoushio
81 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:23 liberate71 wrote: Christ - theres so much extremist mentality. It's like it has to be black and white. You don't think MMA could do to someone like Dark, what he did to Revival? Just because Code S has 32 slots, doesn't mean there are only 32 Code S quality players in the world at one time. Some people have better matchups and get shit luck in matchups, some people have good days and bad days. I think its just excessively cynical to be a WCS KR elitist and slam everyone else. I'd like to think there are say... 50 Code S players in the world at one time. Rather than assuming there are only 32 (or some people think there are only 16, but the other 16 are just flukey inclusions to the Ro32) the code S players that didn't make it to code S are in code A though | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27479 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:17 dddoushio wrote: I don't think there's anyone out there seriously thinking that players like MVP and Bomber and Jjakji are playing in other regions out of choice and not because they can't compete in korea anymore that would be a pretty stupid thing to believe Define 'can't compete' because they clearly can on a good day. The strength in depth in Korea is monstrous though, it would be incredibly hard to stick around in Code S consistently. Outside of Innovation and Maru jjakji has from memory the deepest run in Code S in recent times so how is he not competitive? It's all well and good fighting for honour and against the very best but sometimes you have to look at your earning potential elsewhere I guess. I wish that from WCS' inception the prize pool was much larger in Kr to reflect the higher average level and prestige of the region, a trick was missed there for sure. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:28 dddoushio wrote: the code S players that didn't make it to code S are in code A though So what youre saying is TY and Flash aren't Code S quality Terrans? Despite them proving time and time again that they can beat anyone in the world? | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
 I'm sure they both do a lot better in a group with T/Z | ||
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dddoushio
81 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:31 liberate71 wrote: So what youre saying is TY and Flash aren't Code S quality Terrans? Despite them proving time and time again that they can beat anyone in the world? TY and Flash are also in korea | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
So are Choya, Terror, Departure and Swagger Edit: oh wait, I was having a conversation with someone else and you proceeded to drag me into your conversation which is of a similar nature but aimed at something different. Never mind. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:39 liberate71 wrote: So are Choya, Terror, Departure and Swagger Hey not a bad word about TerrOr if you want me to stay calm. You dont shit talk the Prime ace. Edit: On a serious note - I think you and me are on the same page about many people being Code S level. What I meant to say earlier was that the same persons claiming Flash and TY being scrubs and not represntive Terrans many times points towards Europe and MMA/MVP, etc. claiming those to be the forgotten heroes. When they then get smacked, they say "but what did you expect, they are not Code S-players". It becomes an infitive loop to explain why there are so few Terrans in code S. I agree with you that many players have the caliber to play in code S. However, I dont think MMA is one of them going through a qualifier. But Tajea, Polt, TY and Flash are for sure. But it was really fun seing MMA vs the best of the best today. I dont think he put himself to any shame. He had a solid day, but that was not enough. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:23 liberate71 wrote: Christ - theres so much extremist mentality. It's like it has to be black and white. You don't think MMA could do to someone like Dark, what he did to Revival? Just because Code S has 32 slots, doesn't mean there are only 32 Code S quality players in the world at one time. Some people have better matchups and get shit luck in matchups, some people have good days and bad days. I think its just excessively cynical to be a WCS KR elitist and slam everyone else. I'd like to think there are say... 50 Code S players in the world at one time. Rather than assuming there are only 32 (or some people think there are only 16, but the other 16 are just flukey inclusions to the Ro32) Yeah it is extremely cynical and stupid to go black and white on everything, the world is rarely that simple and more often then not its in shades grey. But the same could be said for the idiots that pertain Code S would have an even race distribution if all the successful Korean terrans returned. What today revealed to us is exactly that possibility, yeah you can have a bunch of terrans get their best MUs and make it back into Code S or they can end up like MMA playing their worst MU and bomb back down to Code B. I've got a lot more to say but its probably best if I end it here. Edit: And damn, I really wanted MMA to make it trough but his chances where really slim from the get go. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On April 24 2014 22:45 Destructicon wrote: Yeah it is extremely cynical and stupid to go black and white on everything, the world is rarely that simple and more often then not its in shades grey. But the same could be said for the idiots that pertain Code S would have an even race distribution if all the successful Korean terrans returned. What today revealed to us is exactly that possibility, yeah you can have a bunch of terrans get their best MUs and make it back into Code S or they can end up like MMA playing their worst MU and bomb back down to Code B. I've got a lot more to say but its probably best if I end it here. Edit: And damn, I really wanted MMA to make it trough but his chances where really slim from the get go. Yeah this quite sums it up for me aswell. And as I said above, MMA atleast did not bring any shame to his name. He did not get HerO vs TY-destroyed-level. | ||
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