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On April 06 2014 04:02 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:
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Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself Here is the most recent aligulac report.
TvZ 42/58, thats worse than I though, but thats from all levels and weekly cups, so its not too viable
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On April 06 2014 04:00 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:
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Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/TvZ since April 2: 12–30 (28.57%) really small sample
Yeah sample size is suspect there, but I do think that as the game goes on Zerg gets a small advantage in the muta/ling/bling vs. bio/mine matchup. Terran gets it back when they reach 3/3 but lose it again when zerg gets hive and 3/3+ultras. Overall I'd say Zerg is sliiightly favored at the moment
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On April 06 2014 04:03 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:02 Darkhorse wrote:On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:
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only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself Here is the most recent aligulac report. TvZ 42/58, thats worse than I though, but thats from all levels and weekly cups, so its not too viable
yeah that's the qualm I have about it. you get matchups like jjakji slaughtering tons of people in go4sc2 and there are a couple of korean zergs that play in weekly cups too and pick up lots of wins
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gg Heart, you are dead....
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On April 06 2014 04:03 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:03 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 04:02 Darkhorse wrote:On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:
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Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself Here is the most recent aligulac report. TvZ 42/58, thats worse than I though, but thats from all levels and weekly cups, so its not too viable yeah that's the qualm I have about it. you get matchups like jjakji slaughtering tons of people in go4sc2 and there are a couple of korean zergs that play in weekly cups too and pick up lots of wins
Yeah Solar and Revival come to mind as zergs who farm the weekly cups pretty hard.
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On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill.
Well, maps are definitely part of balance. Unless you have a map like the first version of Daedulus where the results were very skewed. But when you have most maps with one race winning 55%+ in a matchup, you can either say balance is a problem or the map. As long as the same maps are being played in most big tournaments, map balance is part of the balance.
Anytime you use stats, it simplifies things. But when you don't, then everything because subjective. I am sure you have zergs that could argue that BL/infestor was never a problem. Just that the maps were too small to abuse the immobility. Or pre-nerf 1-1-1, 11-11 was never an issue but the maps were just too small.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
So Puck vs Hyun, best possible scenario for Puck.
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noooo bye heart 
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damn well I guess it's up to puck now.
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The hyunstoppable roach king strikes again!
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Poll: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 2?★★★- Good game (2) 50% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 50% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 2? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 3?★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2) 50% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 25% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 3? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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That sadly went as expected. Now lets see if puCK can do it again
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I feel bad for Heart though, he's better than this results says
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Hyun's win wasn't surprising but it is sad to see yet another T go down ;(
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On April 06 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:
damn well I guess it's up to puck now.
How mad would you be if all of DH's predictions come true?
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Love the burrowed roach run by. But the real fight was won by the great deflection of all the harrasment tries  Go Hyun!
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HyuN better make me self quote. Go kill.
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On April 06 2014 04:07 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 04:06 Shellshock wrote:
damn well I guess it's up to puck now. How mad would you be if all of DH's predictions come true?
about 1/8 as mad as startale fans about gstl
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NASL sound guy strikes again
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Hey puCK he is gonna build roaches. You should be ready for that shit.
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