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On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable.
He played Inno in that group of death but they both said that Life wasn't on his game that day. Inno 2-0'd him but they were decent games.
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On April 06 2014 03:53 Darkhorse wrote:Poll: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 1?★★★- Good game (4) 80% ★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Hyun vs Heart Game 1? (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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On April 06 2014 03:55 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable. life got destoryed vs inno
I think that is a little bit of an over exaggeration.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month?
Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill.
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On April 06 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. what we did learn is that Maru's bio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maru's bio mech Seriously Maru, the hell was that?
I blame Fantasy for that shit.
But mech is definitely better than bio. After watching ForGG's stream I basically switched to mech from bio today.
5 TvZs 4 wins 1 loss with mech. Way better than my usual 50% win rate against zerg.
There is just so much more harrasment potential in the early game with helion-banshee and all you need to worry about is having engi bay and/or armory for thors at 9 min for a muta counter attack...
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United States97276 Posts
Aligulac does win rate graphs each month but TvP is really skewed by jjakji's 88% win rate against foreign toss imo
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On April 06 2014 03:55 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable. He played Inno in that group of death but they both said that Life wasn't on his game that day. Inno 2-0'd him but they were decent games.
Ohh yeah I actually watched those games. Very back and forth. Game 2 ended on Life's patented "go broodlords with very little ground support and lose everything" haha. In the previous GSL Inno was knocked out by Symbol 3-2 in the ro8
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I go reaper expand almost every game but I never build two on this map. It's pretty bad.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:57 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:55 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. what we did learn is that Maru's bio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maru's bio mech Seriously Maru, the hell was that? I blame Fantasy for that shit. But mech is definitely better than bio. After watching ForGG's stream I basically switched to mech from bio today. 5 TvZs 4 wins 1 loss with mech. Way better than my usual 50% win rate against zerg. There is just so much more harrasment potential in the early game with helion-banshee and all you need to worry about is having engi bay and/or armory for thors at 9 min for a muta counter attack...
I can't win against bio mine anymore, but I always win ZvMech cause of Soulkey.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:57 Shellshock wrote:
Aligulac does win rate graphs each month but TvP is really skewed by jjakji's 88% win rate against foreign toss imo
Still waiting for the ForGGeddon 2.0: the jjakjeddon
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United States97276 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:58 Darkhorse wrote:
I go reaper expand almost every game but I never build two on this map. It's pretty bad.
sometimes you build 5 and die to an oracle
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On April 06 2014 03:59 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:58 Darkhorse wrote:
I go reaper expand almost every game but I never build two on this map. It's pretty bad. sometimes you build 5 and die to an oracle
Shellshock pls  that's only in 2v2
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On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill.
Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself
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On April 06 2014 03:57 Shellshock wrote:
Aligulac does win rate graphs each month but TvP is really skewed by jjakji's 88% win rate against foreign toss imo
The last I can see is January though. They are slacking.
Nvm found it
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On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself
http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/
TvZ since April 2: 12–30 (28.57%) really small sample
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On April 06 2014 03:58 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:55 Darkhorse wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable. He played Inno in that group of death but they both said that Life wasn't on his game that day. Inno 2-0'd him but they were decent games. Ohh yeah I actually watched those games. Very back and forth. Game 2 ended on Life's patented "go broodlords with very little ground support and lose everything" haha. In the previous GSL Inno was knocked out by Symbol 3-2 in the ro8
that was wol, lol
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 06 2014 04:01 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:55 Darkhorse wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable. He played Inno in that group of death but they both said that Life wasn't on his game that day. Inno 2-0'd him but they were decent games. Ohh yeah I actually watched those games. Very back and forth. Game 2 ended on Life's patented "go broodlords with very little ground support and lose everything" haha. In the previous GSL Inno was knocked out by Symbol 3-2 in the ro8 that was wol, lol
Symbol was the engagement god back then
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United States23455 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:59 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:56 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:53 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. And now Innovation is playing Mech because Bio is so much worse Eh, I have no real opinion on current TvZ because you don't really see it at the highest level. Terrans are all dead in Code S to Blink so how I won't judge it. Where did that guy go that made these winrate charts per month? Oh I don't actually take those into account when thinking about balance. There are some serious problems with using that as an argument as it simplifies styles, maps and skill. Of course its not really representative of total balance, but it would be a nice basis. I have a feeling that Zergs win way more ZvT than Terran do lately, but I'm too lazy too look up all results myself
Here is the most recent aligulac report.
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That blind tank production might be Heart's saving grace.
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United States23455 Posts
On April 06 2014 04:01 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 03:58 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:55 Darkhorse wrote:On April 06 2014 03:54 Yorkie wrote:On April 06 2014 03:51 stuchiu wrote:On April 06 2014 03:49 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:48 Shellshock wrote:On April 06 2014 03:47 NovaMB wrote:On April 06 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Also that was a terrible fight for Heart. Every fight on creep is terrible, especially since Widow Mines are garbage now only hole in the brood lord analogy since even zvz had brood lords Yeah, kind of unfortunate. I wish the old Widow Mines were back. TvZ was 50% back then As far as I remember, only DRG, Curious and Soulkey could ever beat Innovation in a macro game though. iirc Life was one of the best Zergs at microing vs mines, although I don't remember if he played Inno. Inno's TvZ godly-ness was also a little exaggerated imo, he was incredible, but not unbeatable. He played Inno in that group of death but they both said that Life wasn't on his game that day. Inno 2-0'd him but they were decent games. Ohh yeah I actually watched those games. Very back and forth. Game 2 ended on Life's patented "go broodlords with very little ground support and lose everything" haha. In the previous GSL Inno was knocked out by Symbol 3-2 in the ro8 that was wol, lol
He didn't make any assertion based on the WoL result no need to be a dick about it.
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