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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 21:47:04
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6581
Terran does have plenty of ways to open effectively to set them up well for a blink stalker defense. The problem is if it's actually oracles they're kinda dead. If it's DTs they're kinda dead. if it's heavy eco or tech based play they're pretty far behind unless they can work wonders with a counter attack. The way that top terrans play it right now is the best way, they just still can't muster a decent winrate against it TT. W/e I'm a zerg player so lulz at your struggles other races
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6582
On March 16 2014 06:45 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:45 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:43 Faruko wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:40 Buchan wrote:
PvP finals, no thanks. Protoss killing SC2 as usual, hopefully it gets a redesign in LoTV.

I wonder if you said the same thing when Terran and Zergs won everything...

Probably not! The Protoss hate is more than the T and Z hate ever was. It's literally every time a Protoss wins now.

Nah I think it is pretty even with the Broodlord infestor hate. You just think it's more because you like protoss.

No, it was never this bad.

I disagree but to each his own.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6583
On March 16 2014 06:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:43 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:38 shockaslim wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:35 fezvez wrote:
Well, Blink all-in is really a build I don't understand.

I don't want to make whine balance. I just don't know what I should do against it.

sensor tower.


Not sure if trolling or serious.


I just sigh at people that keep suggesting it.

It's always non-terran players that don't seem to understand how expensive Sensor Towers are.


TY used CC first to get that sensor tower. Which was the most important point.


Sure that works on occasion but you run into a different problem, you're using a very unsafe build in order to counter blindly only one of the potential all ins Protoss can throw at you.

It isn't a solution that can be adopted for standard play.


I know, I'm basically just adopting Parting's WoL mentality. If you can't beat BL/Infestor then just gamble nexus first every game into Soul Train.

Basically if there is no real good answer, its better to gamble than to play into your opponents hand.


Well the even simpler alternative then is to just adopt the Terran WoL mentality and just 2 rax every game.

i would if they didn't have that "nice" msc.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6584
On March 16 2014 06:45 Frex wrote:
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On March 16 2014 06:42 Sakkreth wrote:
So much whining, grow up. PvP is awesome.


This year we have had 7 protoss and 1 terran in Premier tournament finals.

It makes me mad.

Also, would you tell the people of Ukraine to grow up because they are whining at their goverment?

Now that's not fair -- one is a systemic problem that the population as a whole has hated for years now and are voicing their opinions to change the system, the other is the Ukraine gov't.

imo
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6585
On March 16 2014 06:43 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:40 Buchan wrote:
PvP finals, no thanks. Protoss killing SC2 as usual, hopefully it gets a redesign in LoTV.

I wonder if you said the same thing when Terran and Zergs won everything...

terran is at least not a complete mess designwise (most people love TvT), and zerg doesn't revolve around the idea to use one of 15-30 different gambles to win, so both of them at least have some merit designwise.
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6586
On March 16 2014 06:45 Frex wrote:
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On March 16 2014 06:42 Sakkreth wrote:
So much whining, grow up. PvP is awesome.


This year we have had 7 protoss and 1 terran in Premier tournament finals.

It makes me mad.

Also, would you tell the people of Ukraine to grow up because they are whining at their goverment?


Not gonna answer, try to figure out urself how stupid that was.
WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 15 2014 21:46 GMT
#6587
On March 16 2014 06:45 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:43 Faruko wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:40 Buchan wrote:
PvP finals, no thanks. Protoss killing SC2 as usual, hopefully it gets a redesign in LoTV.

I wonder if you said the same thing when Terran and Zergs won everything...

Probably not! The Protoss hate is more than the T and Z hate ever was. It's literally every time a Protoss wins now.

Nah I think it is pretty even with the Broodlord infestor hate. You just think it's more because you like protoss.

I hated BL-infestor way way more than the current state of the game. But then again, I really don't like Zerg ;D
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6588
On March 16 2014 06:45 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Well i'll be tuning in to the finals tomorrow love me some PvP between sOs and herO. Can't wait!

And once again, I think TimeWarp should be made an upgrade at the Twilight Council. It's so strong early on and would nerf blink without messing with the blink micro of the cooldown. Because there is no other unit besides Phoenix that give Protoss the mobility of keeping up with medivacs and zerg stuff. But I could handle whatever at this point because I hate seeing games that end like that as well TimeWarp as an upgrade hope people will chant this to DK lol

This is actually awesome suggestion. Although I would say it should be on cyber core, but whatever...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6589
On March 16 2014 06:46 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
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On March 16 2014 06:43 TheDwf wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:42 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
Taeja should have had scvs repairing bunker in main but he still would have lost that bunker (albeit more cost effectively). Tanks + sensor tower is better vs blink I guess but obviously if the game goes longer the tradeoff is that medivacs would be much more useful.

You can't get Tanks with a 3 rax bio opening.


Possible to make only marines out of barracks then use gas for tanks ?

No, with 3 rax it's better to get a second lab for more Marauders. Only 1-1-1 openings defend with Tanks.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6590
On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past.

Yes. Hardcore Protoss players may feel otherwise, but the hate vs Terran and Zerg was just as bad. Hell even a TL admin was bitching about Zerg on twitter at the time of BL/Infestor.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6591
On March 16 2014 06:45 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:45 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:43 Faruko wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:40 Buchan wrote:
PvP finals, no thanks. Protoss killing SC2 as usual, hopefully it gets a redesign in LoTV.

I wonder if you said the same thing when Terran and Zergs won everything...

Probably not! The Protoss hate is more than the T and Z hate ever was. It's literally every time a Protoss wins now.

Nah I think it is pretty even with the Broodlord infestor hate. You just think it's more because you like protoss.

No, it was never this bad.


BL/Inf was REALLY bad, you've got starry eyes for the now.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Grimnir
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany10 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6592
On March 16 2014 06:40 imrusty269 wrote:
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On March 16 2014 06:38 Grimnir wrote:
gods, damn. yea, why not research blink and win this shit? so frustrating...

not even 10 bunkers would've won taeja this game! at least i hope herO will win this and destroy sOs aka "wonderful blink research" into gg.

What makes herO different from sOS?


its just a case of sympathy. i like him more. he seems to be a funny guy. but over all: please, no more PvP Finals -__-
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6593
On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past.

It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6594
On March 16 2014 06:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:43 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:38 shockaslim wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:35 fezvez wrote:
Well, Blink all-in is really a build I don't understand.

I don't want to make whine balance. I just don't know what I should do against it.

sensor tower.


Not sure if trolling or serious.


I just sigh at people that keep suggesting it.

It's always non-terran players that don't seem to understand how expensive Sensor Towers are.


TY used CC first to get that sensor tower. Which was the most important point.


Sure that works on occasion but you run into a different problem, you're using a very unsafe build in order to counter blindly only one of the potential all ins Protoss can throw at you.

It isn't a solution that can be adopted for standard play.


I know, I'm basically just adopting Parting's WoL mentality. If you can't beat BL/Infestor then just gamble nexus first every game into Soul Train.

Basically if there is no real good answer, its better to gamble than to play into your opponents hand.


Well the even simpler alternative then is to just adopt the Terran WoL mentality and just 2 rax every game.


The gamble for CC first is higher than 2 rax cause MsC exists.
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6595
Grats SoS, he played very well to get into the finals. So did CJ_HerO for that matter.
Unfortunately I will not be tuning in tomorrow to watch the finals
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 15 2014 21:47 GMT
#6596
On March 16 2014 06:45 Frex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:42 Sakkreth wrote:
So much whining, grow up. PvP is awesome.


This year we have had 7 protoss and 1 terran in Premier tournament finals.

It makes me mad.

Also, would you tell the people of Ukraine to grow up because they are whining at their goverment?

Oh my god he's actually comparing PvP finals to Ukrainian Crisis this is amazing.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 21:48 GMT
#6597
On March 16 2014 06:47 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past.

Yes. Hardcore Protoss players may feel otherwise, but the hate vs Terran and Zerg was just as bad. Hell even a TL admin was bitching about Zerg on twitter at the time of BL/Infestor.

I don't think it was as bad against terran, but it lasted longer. It was just kinda "marines imba". I think it was just as bad for zerg.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 15 2014 21:48 GMT
#6598
On March 16 2014 06:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:43 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:38 shockaslim wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:35 fezvez wrote:
Well, Blink all-in is really a build I don't understand.

I don't want to make whine balance. I just don't know what I should do against it.

sensor tower.


Not sure if trolling or serious.


I just sigh at people that keep suggesting it.

It's always non-terran players that don't seem to understand how expensive Sensor Towers are.


TY used CC first to get that sensor tower. Which was the most important point.


Sure that works on occasion but you run into a different problem, you're using a very unsafe build in order to counter blindly only one of the potential all ins Protoss can throw at you.

It isn't a solution that can be adopted for standard play.


I know, I'm basically just adopting Parting's WoL mentality. If you can't beat BL/Infestor then just gamble nexus first every game into Soul Train.

Basically if there is no real good answer, its better to gamble than to play into your opponents hand.


Well the even simpler alternative then is to just adopt the Terran WoL mentality and just 2 rax every game.

Doesn't even work with the MSC. ;/
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
March 15 2014 21:48 GMT
#6599
On March 16 2014 06:44 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:42 BlackCompany wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:41 bo1b wrote:
If I think about it, life throwing 3 games is what's most sad about this tournament.


He played that bad vs Taeja? thats really unfortunate..

They were good games, but he basically put a clinic on how to play zvt for the first couple stages of the game (not as good as drg ofc) and then suicided banelings/performed run byes doomed to fail/chose ridiculous strategies/all of the above. A little disapointing, as it should have been a 3:0


Sucks :/ but you cant be spot on every tournament. i didnt see a lot of game stoday, almost only Life vs Taeja and a small glimpse of other games here and there, but to me the games today werent good.
Yesterday was amazing, today was meh, hopefully the finals will be amazing again
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 21:49:09
March 15 2014 21:48 GMT
#6600
On March 16 2014 06:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:43 Faruko wrote:
On March 16 2014 06:40 Buchan wrote:
PvP finals, no thanks. Protoss killing SC2 as usual, hopefully it gets a redesign in LoTV.

I wonder if you said the same thing when Terran and Zergs won everything...

Probably not! The Protoss hate is more than the T and Z hate ever was. It's literally every time a Protoss wins now.
I don't care about race. The way the game is decided seems awful. For a neutral spectator, it's just too boring.

The contrast with some games played yesterday is just too big.
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