[SPL] Prime vs. SKT R2 - Page 2

ETisME

12521 Posts

February 28 2014 16:59 GMT

#21

i am realllllllly surprised they field out state, i thought he would be sitting bench for a while.
hoping he will do well, always awesome to see foreigners in PL. (stephano games were amazing, roach hydra against a Terran, in PL. whoa)

iamho

United States3347 Posts

February 28 2014 17:07 GMT

#22

SKT 3-0 or 3-1 easy

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

March 01 2014 09:37 GMT

#23

As the one who likes Classic a lot I am very worried becasue he was the 1st korean to lose to a foreigner in Proleague (Classic vs ThorZaIN).

The funny thing is that it was TvT and now it is PvP.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12327 Posts

March 01 2014 09:50 GMT

#24

On March 01 2014 01:59 ETisME wrote:
i am realllllllly surprised they field out state, i thought he would be sitting bench for a while.
hoping he will do well, always awesome to see foreigners in PL. (stephano games were amazing, roach hydra against a Terran, in PL. whoa)

Choya is more surprising than State... I'm not sure what's going on in Prime, it looks like they've taken to heart the criticism about sending the same 4 players for a whole GSTL, and now they're going for diversity.

ClueClueClue

Sweden1203 Posts

March 01 2014 10:02 GMT

#25

On March 01 2014 18:50 Nebuchad wrote:

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To be fair, Choya is a pretty decent player. I'm not too sure about his late game mechanics, but he's really good at executing timing pushes and all-ins, with all the micro and deceptiveness that requires. In the GSTL all star matches last year he beat a Hyvaa who had just been in code S ro16 - with an all-in on Yeonsu, yes, but the map is still in the pool so wth.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

March 01 2014 10:12 GMT

#26

On March 01 2014 18:50 Nebuchad wrote:

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choya is/was top 30 GM so he has a small chance of taking it out, especially with some funky cheese.

with regard to sending the same people again for GSTL, the criticism is dumb since patience is the exception and not the rule - you've seen how bad people like terror play, and imagine how bad the others were such that they got booted off the team and terror remained...

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

March 01 2014 11:36 GMT

#27

On March 01 2014 19:12 opterown wrote:

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Then why you do not like Gerrard?

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

March 01 2014 11:40 GMT

#28

On March 01 2014 18:37 DiMano wrote:
As the one who likes Classic a lot I am very worried becasue he was the 1st korean to lose to a foreigner in Proleague (Classic vs ThorZaIN).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAMzZmsi8vs
The funny thing is that it was TvT and now it is PvP.

He was the first korean since around 2004 to lose to a foreigner in Proleague if we talking about the entire Proleague history :O

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

March 01 2014 11:42 GMT

#29

he's not that good at managing the players/having a good coaching regime afaik, prime is (or at least was) ladder all day every day. gerrard isn't that good at keeping the motivation or a inhouse-games up, which lead to prime's inconsistent form and some players having to take up a bigger management role (like Classic or AnNyeong). whereas the stuff about the new recruits and stuff is understandable, prime had no cash to recruit anyone worth anything so yea. although i've also heard gerrard is pretty mean when he boots b-teamers lol.

hopefully the new kespa membership + sponsorships help more with that, kassia shows some promise, although i find kal still very disappointing considering his first week. also, i'm optimistic about choya and cezzane bringing their experience too, although choya is more a player now.

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

March 01 2014 11:55 GMT

#30

On March 01 2014 20:42 opterown wrote:
he's not that good at managing the players/having a good coaching regime afaik, prime is (or at least was) ladder all day every day. gerrard isn't that good at keeping the motivation or a inhouse-games up, which lead to prime's inconsistent form and some players having to take up a bigger management role (like classic or AnNyeong)

the stuff about the new recruits and stuff is understandable, prime had no cash to recruit anyone worth anything so yea. hopefully the new kespa membership + sponsorships help more with that, kassia shows some promise, although i find kal still very disappointing considering his first week. also, i'm optimistic about choya and cezzane bringing their experience too, although choya is more a player now.

So you think that Maru and Creator have become stars by themselves and all these team league wins (KSTL,.GSTL, IPTL) also came thx to MK, ByuN, Maru and Creator enthusiasm? StarTale has much worse results and the number of good players there can be compered to Prime Curious, Bomber, Squirtle + PartinG who came in ST already being good and Life who was crushing online when he was on ZeNEX. Also Prime has the same amount of team league wins as IM. Also people tend to forget that Polt also came from Prime + retired players Maka, HongUn, anypro have had good results. Compare to other eSF teams I can say that they are top 2 after IM. Maybe you can provide examples what Gerrard did wrong? I never saw any interview or some other thing where he was doing something wrong.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

March 01 2014 12:01 GMT

#31

yes i think maru, creator, mkp and stuff all became good players by themselves and not through any hidden bonjwa coaching by gerrard, when you see their streams/interviews it's always mass ladder all day every day. back in WoL prime were ladder heroes for a reason (byun, mkp, creator often had 4 of the top 5 ladder accounts) and maru had the top ladder account back in hots. it'd be hard to maintain that if they did anything apart from just ladder.

it's also not uncommon for gerrard to spend the day away from the training house and only visit now and them to make sure that the players are playing sc2 and not lol or whatever haha, and to manage the shop. and right now gerrard is in some ogn hearthstone thing haha. you never hear about the players saying that gerrard helped them with coaching or builds or whatever, unlike, say, FXO team. when prime prepares for important games all you hear is that they watch VODs, not that the coach helped them analyse or whatever.

prime has a huge feeder clan, which helped out with their early wol results since they had a pretty big player recruitment pool, which allowed them to get a few nice talents on board. that's a fairly important thing about prime i guess, they're pretty tight-knit and all good friends.

gerrard doesn't do things wrong per se, i just think he doesn't do as much as a good coach does or should. for me, it's just disappointing that he can't keep all his talent consistently at the top. new recruits and developing upcoming talent i can understand is hard when you have no funds, but that's a place where i think gerrard has done okay. while he didn't get new sponsors for a long time, i think primezzang did well for prime and it was really reliably managed.

then again i could be wrong, but this is my impression after following prime for many years.

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

March 01 2014 12:33 GMT

#32

On March 01 2014 21:01 opterown wrote:
yes i think maru, creator, mkp and stuff all became good players by themselves and not through any hidden bonjwa coaching by gerrard, when you see their streams/interviews it's always mass ladder all day every day. back in WoL prime were ladder heroes for a reason (byun, mkp, creator often had 4 of the top 5 ladder accounts) and maru had the top ladder account back in hots. it'd be hard to maintain that if they did anything apart from just ladder.

it's also not uncommon for gerrard to spend the day away from the training house and only visit now and them to make sure that the players are playing sc2 and not lol or whatever haha, and to manage the shop. and right now gerrard is in some ogn hearthstone thing haha. you never hear about the players saying that gerrard helped them with coaching or builds or whatever, unlike, say, FXO team. when prime prepares for important games all you hear is that they watch VODs, not that the coach helped them analyse or whatever.

prime has a huge feeder clan, which helped out with their early wol results since they had a pretty big player recruitment pool, which allowed them to get a few nice talents on board. that's a fairly important thing about prime i guess, they're pretty tight-knit and all good friends.

gerrard doesn't do things wrong per se, i just think he doesn't do as much as a good coach does or should. for me, it's just disappointing that he can't keep all his talent consistently at the top. new recruits and developing upcoming talent i can understand is hard when you have no funds, but that's a place where i think gerrard has done okay. while he didn't get new sponsors for a long time, i think primezzang did well for prime and it was really reliably managed.

then again i could be wrong, but this is my impression after following prime for many years.

I see what you mean but my reason that I respect him is because Gerrard saved the team, found a new house, found sponsors or something silimilar to this (I think we can call their online store a source of funding) and let his players to travel to take part in foreign events. Yeah now Prime has problems with traveling but Gerrard did a great job for Prime in regards of helping players to feel comfortable in this team and do not leave it to find a foreign team I think the main thing is that he created some atmosphere where Prime players can feel and play comfortable. He may seem bad at coaching but good at managing is what I mean. I can also be wrong that all these things were done by him but from the front side it seems like he is a manager and responsible for all this stuff. I respect him and IM coach the most in eSF teams for above reasons.