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Stop whining. This lr is terrible.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 27 2014 00:52 GMT
#641
1 rax cc in TvP. How does everyone feel about this?
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Anlo
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden485 Posts
February 27 2014 00:52 GMT
#642
On February 27 2014 09:47 Fhiz wrote:
Control, value and tempo all have meanings outside of hearthstone o-o


I would say though that with weak(-ish) English speakers, mainly Rotterdam but also Bitter struggles a lot in sentences and finds himself not too rarely being forced to redo them on the fly/forgets what he was trying to say, when they get something stuck on the brain they tend to overuse it. So on point I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to Hearthstone they are using it.
Fhiz
Profile Joined October 2013
361 Posts
February 27 2014 00:52 GMT
#643
On February 27 2014 09:49 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:44 Squat wrote:
It's been like this for months now. He just plays ZvT in a way that makes no sense, I have no other way to explain it. It is kind of baffling.

Even Soulkey lost to this build from Bomber, almost twice. Just saying.


Korea must look West, towards TLO

A wise man who shoots at the bomb before it starts ticking.

Thats a really, really good way to put it.
girls generation make u feel da heat
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 27 2014 00:52 GMT
#644
On February 27 2014 09:51 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:49 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:47 Squat wrote:
Suppy not wanting to give JD advice makes me sad, he should totally help JD out. He plays the MU just wrong, and it's kind of incumbent on team mates to help each other put. Major is completely right. If he has better results but loses every ZvT, something is wrong.

I'd say ZvT is even zerg favoured right now.


To be honest it wasn't best JD's matchup in 2013 as well.
He was even consulting with Scarlett a lot about matchup and how to play it.
And Bomber enjoys this kind of game when he can just fight mutalingbane all day.

Which was probably a good idea. He should have kept working with her, then maybe both of them would be in the next round.

Sorry, still sour about Scarlett, so bummed. I feel like a dick now.


It's ok, i still feel bad about Nani and this pretty girl who has nickname of Scarlett.
Hope Katowice will give me a cure lol.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 27 2014 00:52 GMT
#645
On February 27 2014 09:50 foxmeep wrote:
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On February 27 2014 09:47 Darkhorse wrote:
Control hasn't been used by itself but "Map control" is common. Maybe HS just helped them drop the "map"


What's the context? They use "control" all the time referring to unit control.

Not like unit control referring to micro. He's talking about when they say "x player is controlling the game" as in controlling the pace, forcing units at certain times, drawing the opponents army to different locations. I, for one don't really think it's because of Hearthstone, but they have been saying it more often (not like they never did before)
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#646
On February 27 2014 09:51 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:51 Greendotz wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:46 stuchiu wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:44 Greendotz wrote:
Is it just me or are casters using a lot of HS terms now? Value, control, tempo, i don't recall these terms been used in SC2 in the past, maybe I'm just noticing it more because of HS.


I thought Value crossed over from dota 2. Tempo was something Artosis always used. Control is definitely HS though.


I guess, maybe I'm just noticing value a lot more now since that's pretty much the soundbite of HS, just find it a little weird when I hear Apollo say "he needs to extract some value out of these Hellions". I have no recollection of Artosis using tempo, but if you say so (I don't get the chance to watch much GSL).

Tempo is a classic, its used even in chess.


Tempo is used differently in Chess though.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#647
On February 27 2014 09:51 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:47 Squat wrote:
Suppy not wanting to give JD advice makes me sad, he should totally help JD out. He plays the MU just wrong, and it's kind of incumbent on team mates to help each other put. Major is completely right. If he has better results but loses every ZvT, something is wrong.

I'd say ZvT is even zerg favoured right now.

His ZvT is still higher rated than his ZvP

That is not very relevant to how he plays right now though, which is what matters. This trend has been ongoing since the the beginning of 2014. Right now, ZvT is clearly his worst MU, and he does not play it like ZvT is supposed to be played.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#648
On February 27 2014 09:52 stuchiu wrote:
1 rax cc in TvP. How does everyone feel about this?

Cross positions on Frost against a player who is worse than Bomber? Super Kame Guru allows this.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#649
On February 27 2014 09:52 stuchiu wrote:
1 rax cc in TvP. How does everyone feel about this?


I feel like it's underused on 4 player maps, it's hard to scout things anyway
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 00:54:31
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#650
On February 27 2014 09:52 stuchiu wrote:
1 rax cc in TvP. How does everyone feel about this?


I guess, it's ok on Frost.
Double expanding is a gamble even for Bomber but rax-cc is reasonable.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#651
I do think value is used more nowadays instead of 'cost efficient'
Neosteel Enthusiast
Anlo
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden485 Posts
February 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#652
Would be sick indeed to see Arthur live.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#653
Wtf, is Scarlett about to join Suppy's stream? Pls maek happen.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#654
On February 27 2014 09:48 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:46 TheDwf wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:44 Squat wrote:
It's been like this for months now. He just plays ZvT in a way that makes no sense, I have no other way to explain it. It is kind of baffling.

Even Soulkey lost to this build from Bomber, almost twice. Just saying.

Do you think it's a viable standard build or would it just get picked apart if every one was doing it?

I don't think it can be used as a standard since Zerg can probably use some timings to cripple/kill the Terran when he's going from 3 to 10 rax.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#655
On February 27 2014 09:50 The_Templar wrote:
WCS America: Premier

(P)Arthur vs (T)Bomber
0-0


Map: Frost


Arthur spawns in the top left
Bomber spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Gateway first vs Barracks first.
Arthur getting two assimilators.
Bomber constructing a CC on the low ground after his orbital command.
Cybernetics core for Arthur.

3:00
Marine chasing off a probe.
Bunker at Bomber's natural.
Arthur getting a probe in a random corner near the third of Bomber.

4:00
Arthur expanding.
Arthur poking with a stalker.
Twilight council in the corner of Arthur's main base.

5:00
Mothership core going into the main base of Bomber but is chased off by marines.
Arthur getting blink and three more gateways.
Stim for Bomber.

6:45 (P)Arthur 38 vs (T)Bomber 51
Bomber building more bunkers in his main and natural.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#656
On February 27 2014 09:53 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:51 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:47 Squat wrote:
Suppy not wanting to give JD advice makes me sad, he should totally help JD out. He plays the MU just wrong, and it's kind of incumbent on team mates to help each other put. Major is completely right. If he has better results but loses every ZvT, something is wrong.

I'd say ZvT is even zerg favoured right now.

His ZvT is still higher rated than his ZvP

That is not very relevant to how he plays right now though, which is what matters. This trend has been ongoing since the the beginning of 2014. Right now, ZvT is clearly his worst MU, and he does not play it like ZvT is supposed to be played.

To be honest I haven't seen a ton of Jaedong's ZvT recently, but he seemed to prioritize taking a fourth a little too early which was Bomber's point of focus. Should probably get a larger standing army first. IDK i don't play zerg.
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#657
Bomber doing less scouting then a bronze leaguer lol
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#658
On February 27 2014 09:52 stuchiu wrote:
1 rax cc in TvP. How does everyone feel about this?

I think this is somewhat silly considering he faces a worst and cheesy Protoss.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#659
Oh blink the breakfast of champions
Neosteel Enthusiast
Fhiz
Profile Joined October 2013
361 Posts
February 27 2014 00:55 GMT
#660
what exactly led bomber to believe that this was coming?
girls generation make u feel da heat
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