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[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 111

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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
February 16 2014 16:41 GMT
#2201
On February 17 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:30 VictorX wrote:
Khaelaris analysis wasn't very good. Let me add that the real reason Jaedong took that fight was because he forced such a high phoenix count from Protoss. In that fight he barely had any mutalisks left, and had switched fully into corruptors. Phoenix get pooped on by corruptors in a straight up fight. In conjunction with the sick fungal that weakened all those phoenix, and the brood lords keeping the archons away from splashing the corruptors, he was able to wipe all the air and force a retreat.

Yeah, but Jaedong did have ~10 mutalisks, meaning effectively he was 20 army supply behind.
But I think Patience lost that fight because he didn't try to kite the corrupters/mutalisks which meant they had a lot more damage done to them, even without the fungals



Guys the real reason is this. Jaedong was behind in supply and should NOT have won that engagement head on. The crucial factor was that the corrupters and mutalisks were nowhere to be seen at the beginning of the fight. The fungals held Phoenix's off doing damage while NO damage was being dealt by them. If jaedongs air army had been in the fight during this time, all those Phoenix's would have had enough damage output to wipe him out. After fungal weakened them all severely, jaedongs air was then able to just come out on top.

It was all to that little delay. If you build up those two armies and mash them together at the same time, with the same fungals, Zerg would have lost. That's why it was hard to comprehend how Jaedong came out on top, because looking at it supply wise, he should not have.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 16 2014 16:41 GMT
#2202
Inno <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 16:41 GMT
#2203
Go INnoVation

(T)Polt vs (P)Rain
(Z)Jaedong vs (T)INnoVation

This is world finals material
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
February 16 2014 16:41 GMT
#2204
On February 17 2014 01:40 bo1b wrote:
I love how they're bringing up aligulac

jjakji is now #1 on it

http://www.aligulac.com/players/29-jjakji/

dat curve !
RIP MKP
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2205
On February 17 2014 01:41 Lorning wrote:
Go INnoVation

(T)Polt vs (P)Rain
(Z)Jaedong vs (T)INnoVation

This is world finals material

Definetly HerO would ruin it
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2206
GO HERO!!!!!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 16:43:19
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2207
Thank you, JD, you made my day. I recalled BW days and cried.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2208
god can they stop assuming balance from one tournament? Dat sample size.
Amove for Aiur
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2209
I cant imagine the legions of terrans screaming at Ret right now lol.
"Right on" - Morrow
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2210
On February 17 2014 01:40 Abominous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:40 bo1b wrote:
I love how they're bringing up aligulac

Didn't WCS Europe (ESL) use Aligulac as a prediction tool before?

They did.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2211
Ret: "Terran has been having a tough time in proleague."
What terrans in prolegue?
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 16:43:49
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2212
Really loving ret's casting/analysis/whatever you call all this. Didn't think he'd be that great, but he is =D!

Way more well-spoken than I'd thought.
It appears I have been chosen.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2213
Wow, Jaedong match upped the views to 60k+ match ends and drops to 49k+
The Tyrants commands an audience.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2214
On February 17 2014 01:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
GO INNO!!!!

FTFY
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
February 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#2215
Man either way I am happy for the semi finals and finals. All of these players I like watching So hard to pick who I want to see win. I would be happy with Innovation,hero,JD,polt, or Rain winning.


But go Terrans!!!!!!!!!!!! we got our King back!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#2216
On February 17 2014 01:40 Abominous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:40 bo1b wrote:
I love how they're bringing up aligulac

Didn't WCS Europe (ESL) use Aligulac as a prediction tool before?

No idea, its 3:45 am right now, I don't normally stay up this late and watch wcs eu but I have the next 3 days off so I can get away with it this time :D
Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
February 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#2217
On February 17 2014 01:41 droppanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
On February 17 2014 01:30 VictorX wrote:
Khaelaris analysis wasn't very good. Let me add that the real reason Jaedong took that fight was because he forced such a high phoenix count from Protoss. In that fight he barely had any mutalisks left, and had switched fully into corruptors. Phoenix get pooped on by corruptors in a straight up fight. In conjunction with the sick fungal that weakened all those phoenix, and the brood lords keeping the archons away from splashing the corruptors, he was able to wipe all the air and force a retreat.

Yeah, but Jaedong did have ~10 mutalisks, meaning effectively he was 20 army supply behind.
But I think Patience lost that fight because he didn't try to kite the corrupters/mutalisks which meant they had a lot more damage done to them, even without the fungals



Guys the real reason is this. Jaedong was behind in supply and should NOT have won that engagement head on. The crucial factor was that the corrupters and mutalisks were nowhere to be seen at the beginning of the fight. The fungals held Phoenix's off doing damage while NO damage was being dealt by them. If jaedongs air army had been in the fight during this time, all those Phoenix's would have had enough damage output to wipe him out. After fungal weakened them all severely, jaedongs air was then able to just come out on top.

It was all to that little delay. If you build up those two armies and mash them together at the same time, with the same fungals, Zerg would have lost. That's why it was hard to comprehend how Jaedong came out on top, because looking at it supply wise, he should not have.


Jaedong was behind on drones all game; I think that the army supply difference wasn't that big.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#2218
Inno so handsome
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#2219
Alterzim and Daedalus point veto'd. Not Yeonsu? O.o
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#2220
On February 17 2014 01:42 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 01:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
GO INNO!!!!

FTFY

He's beyond being fixed
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
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