★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 2?
★★★- Good game (5)
100%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
67%
★★★- Good game (1)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
43%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
★★★- Good game (3)
60%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
40 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (13)
59%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
18%
★★★- Good game (4)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (36)
68%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (10)
19%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
6%
★★★- Good game (2)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
4%
53 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
50%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
40%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★★- Good game (4)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
38%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (5)
71%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Kind of hoping theBest is actually a badass now though just because it would be hilarious if the hopes of Terran somehow came to ride on his cheesy shoulders. Like, he just shows up and kills the group with amazing banshee control or something >,>
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
- Stats is at ~ 1.164 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 36.065 % of the time Stats wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.131 %. ~ 63.935 % of the time Stats loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.055 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TheBest is at ~ 0.393 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 34.552 % of the time TheBest wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.108 %. ~ 65.448 % of the time TheBest loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.015 %. ------------------------------------------------- - SuperNova is at ~ 6.331 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.600 % of the time SuperNova wins and their chances go up to ~ 9.924 %. ~ 38.400 % of the time SuperNova loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.567 %. ------------------------------------------------- - CoCa is at ~ 9.522 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 67.783 % of the time CoCa wins and their chances go up to ~ 13.755 %. ~ 32.217 % of the time CoCa loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.618 %.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
67%
★★★- Good game (1)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend SuperNova vs. CoCa Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 13:22 Die4Ever wrote: Ok a little late, but here is what WCS Predictor has to say about this group (before any of the games were played)
- Stats is at ~ 1.164 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 36.065 % of the time Stats wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.131 %. ~ 63.935 % of the time Stats loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.055 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TheBest is at ~ 0.393 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 34.552 % of the time TheBest wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.108 %. ~ 65.448 % of the time TheBest loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.015 %. ------------------------------------------------- - SuperNova is at ~ 6.331 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.600 % of the time SuperNova wins and their chances go up to ~ 9.924 %. ~ 38.400 % of the time SuperNova loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.567 %. ------------------------------------------------- - CoCa is at ~ 9.522 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 67.783 % of the time CoCa wins and their chances go up to ~ 13.755 %. ~ 32.217 % of the time CoCa loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.618 %.
On January 23 2014 13:27 stuchiu wrote: Fun fact about Suno's last Code S run, he got kncoked out in the ro32 group in a 3 man group consisting of him, sOs and Dear.
All we know for sure is Blizzcon champ and double WCS winner is protoss.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
43%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
★★★- Good game (3)
60%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
43%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
★★★- Good game (3)
60%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend TheBest vs. Stats Game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
40 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
40 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
40 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
On January 23 2014 14:43 mikumegurine wrote: you guys want Polt, Taeja, Bomber to return to GSL and get top 4 or something to prove terrans are good or something?
I don't think Taeja can get top 4. Dunno about Polt and Bomber.
Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
On January 23 2014 14:50 manniefresh wrote: shouldn't carriers force a transition back into bio?
Sigh.
You CAN'T transition back into Bio.
That requires a complete restructuring of your production. Good luck trying to swap back into Bio when you already have a ton of army supply tied up in a Mech army, and you haven't even started stim yet.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
6%
★★★- Good game (2)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
4%
53 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
6%
★★★- Good game (2)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
4%
53 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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He probably should have gotten mech armour against Carriers though. I think. I have no idea how high level mech vs. Carrier actually works, but that sounds reasonable.
On January 23 2014 14:50 manniefresh wrote: shouldn't carriers force a transition back into bio?
Sigh.
You CAN'T transition back into Bio.
That requires a complete restructuring of your production. Good luck trying to swap back into Bio when you already have a ton of army supply tied up in a Mech army, and you haven't even started stim yet.
Gotcha, makes mech even harder then. I guess widow mine viking is the answer though?
On January 23 2014 14:52 Popkiller wrote: Supernova could have actually given us a TvP win... but he goes mech...
I think it's telling that despite him clearly having strong bio TvP, he chose to go Mech when Code S was on the line... but whether that speaks to mech's strength or (Supernova's perception of) the state of late game TvP on huge maps I dont know.
Also, whyyyy! You better make it Supernova!!!!!!!!!!!
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Everyone saying he should have gone ghost/rines is an idiot. You can't just transition to bio. You have no upgrades, no stim, no combat shields, and no barracks.
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Stop Micro as demonstrated in that video doesn't really work in a late game situation like vs Carriers where Observers are almost guaranteed to be around. You'll lose all your widow Mines without really a chance for them to lock onto the Carriers.
But don't believe me, I want you to go test it yourself. Try using Widow Mines vs Carriers. Interceptors completely fuck with the Widow Mine AI. Widow Mines work fine vs Void Rays and Tempests but they are completely useless vs Carriers.
I don't blame people for not knowing this since Carriers aren't exactly common, but I've for whatever reason spent plenty of games in Mech Vs Protoss fighting Carriers. The only way to really beat them is Vikings and Thors in large numbers, Widow Mines don't work.
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Shooting at Interceptors is a complete waste.
But you can.
Stop Micro isn't target firing. There's a difference.
You can stop a widow mine from firing and have it reload it's auto-lock but you can't ever manually select what it locks on to.
Why does this matter vs Carriers? Because Interceptors are always around unless you knock them out and Widow Mines lock onto them constantly.
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
Awesome. Mama Carrier, I'm coming home!
Alright, looks like they will get some money from me. I can't not watch these games and this series. :D
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
Its a next level scouting strategy.
hmm so fly a carrier into a base with MSc then recall and the interceptors will scout the base, truly next level scouting!
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
On January 23 2014 14:57 Green_25 wrote: Supernova made the wrong stuff, needed ghosts and mines.
Not sure if you are trolling or not.....
Not trolling, cloak fucks protoss air up really hard. Mines are actually fast and can chase down carriers/tempests. It works decently
Forgot who he was playing against, but HTOMario, who always mechs in all matchups, used mines to fight Tempest/Carriers and it worked excellently. You just have to build a shitload of mines. Ghosts are good too because of EMP of course, and Cloak.
And whoever said Observers everywhere messes up mine shots? The mines won't shoot at them unless they are revealed. So that doesn't really make sense.
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
Awesome. Mama Carrier, I'm coming home!
Alright, looks like they will get some money from me. I can't not watch these games and this series. :D
On January 23 2014 14:57 Green_25 wrote: Supernova made the wrong stuff, needed ghosts and mines.
Not sure if you are trolling or not.....
Not trolling, cloak fucks protoss air up really hard. Mines are actually fast and can chase down carriers/tempests. It works decently
Forgot who he was playing against, but HTOMario, who always mechs in all matchups, used mines to fight Tempest/Carriers and it worked excellently. You just have to build a shitload of mines. Ghosts are good too because of EMP of course, and Cloak.
And whoever said Observers everywhere messes up mine shots? The mines won't shoot at them unless they are revealed. So that doesn't really make sense.
I believe he means that observers will reveal the mines and you can then target them with the carriers.
On January 23 2014 14:57 Green_25 wrote: Supernova made the wrong stuff, needed ghosts and mines.
Not sure if you are trolling or not.....
Not trolling, cloak fucks protoss air up really hard. Mines are actually fast and can chase down carriers/tempests. It works decently
Forgot who he was playing against, but HTOMario, who always mechs in all matchups, used mines to fight Tempest/Carriers and it worked excellently. You just have to build a shitload of mines. Ghosts are good too because of EMP of course, and Cloak.
And whoever said Observers everywhere messes up mine shots? The mines won't shoot at them unless they are revealed. So that doesn't really make sense.
yup should be him. he just massed widow mines, run them in and boom goes interceptors/carrier/tempest
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
You can save money and emulate the games yourself by building 3 stargate carrier and amoving over a computer opponent.
Those were some really bad games, Supernova had no answer and got totally rolled by the carriers both times.
I hope TheBest MKP's it up and lifts to the Gold. Although with the ZvT overlord scouting it might not work as well...still though, he's cheesy enough to do it.
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Stop Micro as demonstrated in that video doesn't really work in a late game situation like vs Carriers where Observers are almost guaranteed to be around. You'll lose all your widow Mines without really a chance for them to lock onto the Carriers.
But don't believe me, I want you to go test it yourself. Try using Widow Mines vs Carriers. Interceptors completely fuck with the Widow Mine AI. Widow Mines work fine vs Void Rays and Tempests but they are completely useless vs Carriers.
I don't blame people for not knowing this since Carriers aren't exactly common, but I've for whatever reason spent plenty of games in Mech Vs Protoss fighting Carriers. The only way to really beat them is Vikings and Thors in large numbers, Widow Mines don't work.
Maybe that was a bad video to show but you can choose which target the widow mines will hit as they are burrowing/right when they burrow. If you do it correctly they will hit the carrier and not the interceptors. If you just burrow them and not target then yes might hit interceptors. Also if it is late game and you engage with widow mines, thors, and vikings the widow mines have lower priority while unborrowed meaning they need to do a lot of micro to kill the widow mines since they are small and numerous in which case your thors and vikings have more time to do damage or focus on thors and vikings and take a lot of damage from widow mines. I guess this this shows a little more of what I am talking about but not all of the micro.
Can any higher level players give any insight as to Supernova's mech strategy against protoss? Is this something that could possibly work in HotS if it was refined?
On January 23 2014 15:11 Korson wrote: Can any higher level players give any insight as to Supernova's mech strategy against protoss? Is this something that could possibly work in HotS if it was refined?
If it wouldn't work supernova would not have played it i guess
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supernova separated his vikings from thors and lost 10+ with only one carrier down I think then he didn't have enough against the next carrier attack proceeding to lose in the 2nd carrier game lol
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On January 23 2014 15:30 Seeker wrote: TheBest will retire. But before he does that, he's going name switch to TheWorst, win a GSL, and then shut all the haters up.
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On January 23 2014 15:30 Seeker wrote: TheBest will retire. But before he does that, he's going name switch to TheWorst, win a GSL, and then shut all the haters up.
*Remind him that Flash, Innovation and nearly every other Terran is Code B too.* (12)
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wow supernova really grew up , oh wait.....didnt he have plastic surgery back in the day ??? anyway lookin good my terran brother....FUCK THIS ZERG UP !!! >:D
On January 23 2014 14:51 y0su wrote: wtf you keep your interceptors even though they missed the recall??
Carrier whine. That one is new to me.
HaHa ^^ And if u had to lose all the interceptors that would be like 1000 minerals going away. + rebuild time. Not fair considering u they cannot be controlled.
Coca actually handled that so well considering how bad his army was before the fight. I know when I walk out with a mech army like that I feel like I can't be stopped
Seriously, when Coca held off that big attack he had the game in the bag if he just went either swarmhost or muta. Instead he went hydralisks vs tanks :/
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I don't understand why Coca made so many hydras. You only need enough to kill the banshees. If there's 3-4 banshees you need at most 10 hydras. He just kept remaking hydras vs a mostly hellbat/tank composition. It didn't make much sense. The vipers were fantastic though, but he couldn't keep his far-flung bases mining long enough to justify that much gas sunk into vipers.
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On January 23 2014 16:03 Qwerty85 wrote: Coca should just try to do some roach drops or nydus or something along those lines. Supernova is currently much better than him in a macro game.
I think he rather tries to macro then go for drops or nydus...
As much as I love CoCa, I don't think he's ready for Code S yet. Even if he does win against SuNo here, he's going to have to do some serious/massive training if he expects to survive in Code S.
On January 23 2014 16:05 Seeker wrote: As much as I love CoCa, I don't think he's ready for Code S yet. Even if he does win against SuNo here, he's going to have to do some serious/massive training if he expects to survive in Code S.
Might just be his ZvT though. If it is he won't have a problem in code S xD
On January 23 2014 16:03 Qwerty85 wrote: Coca should just try to do some roach drops or nydus or something along those lines. Supernova is currently much better than him in a macro game.
I think he rather tries to macro then go for drops or nydus...
Didn't some zerg kill a meching terran on this map by nydus roach play in Code A? But I guess a lot is on the line so he probably wouldn't risk going for something like that.
On January 23 2014 16:05 Seeker wrote: As much as I love CoCa, I don't think he's ready for Code S yet. Even if he does win against SuNo here, he's going to have to do some serious/massive training if he expects to survive in Code S.
He's making the games a lot closer than they should be due to his excellent engagements, but he's severely lacking in terms of decision making/unit comps.
On January 23 2014 16:03 Qwerty85 wrote: Coca should just try to do some roach drops or nydus or something along those lines. Supernova is currently much better than him in a macro game.
I think he rather tries to macro then go for drops or nydus...
Didn't some zerg kill a meching terran on this map by nydus roach play in Code A? But I guess a lot is on the line so he probably wouldn't risk going for something like that.
yeah, he is against the wall and nydus/drops can both be denied with good scouting. Maybe nydus the front and attack because of the map, but not an inbase nydus imo, that would be stupid.
On January 23 2014 16:03 Qwerty85 wrote: Coca should just try to do some roach drops or nydus or something along those lines. Supernova is currently much better than him in a macro game.
I think he rather tries to macro then go for drops or nydus...
Didn't some zerg kill a meching terran on this map by nydus roach play in Code A? But I guess a lot is on the line so he probably wouldn't risk going for something like that.
yeah, he is against the wall and nydus/drops can both be denied with good scouting. Maybe nydus the front and attack because of the map, but not an inbase nydus imo, that would be stupid.
Yeah it wasn't an in base nydus, it was nydus behind those bushes at the third to get the roaches faster to the opponent's side of the map.
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OK Coca, somewhere you must have realized that you had no upgrades right? And then you didn't build the evochambers because you were embaressed about it, right?
Kinda sad because Coca is actually really good and he just did not respond appropriately to SuNo's awesome mech. Hope he gets some more playing time in proleague soon
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On January 23 2014 16:18 SniXSniPe wrote: lol Supernova will proceed to get destroyed in the first round of Code S
Depends on how many protoss will he have in his group.
In WCS KR S2 he beat Parting, Squirtle, Trap, barely lost to Rain and First (3-2). He can stand his ground against them.
Yeah but now he apparently plays mech. Mech can work against zerg and terrans if he gets a terran in his group but I don't think it will work against protoss players.
I think you really need to be way above protoss in skill to make it work.
On January 23 2014 16:18 SniXSniPe wrote: lol Supernova will proceed to get destroyed in the first round of Code S
Depends on how many protoss will he have in his group.
In WCS KR S2 he beat Parting, Squirtle, Trap, barely lost to Rain and First (3-2). He can stand his ground against them.
Yeah but now he apparently plays mech. Mech can work against zerg and terrans if he gets a terran in his group but I don't think it will work against protoss players.
I think you really need to be way above protoss in skill to make it work.
On January 23 2014 16:18 SniXSniPe wrote: lol Supernova will proceed to get destroyed in the first round of Code S
Depends on how many protoss will he have in his group.
In WCS KR S2 he beat Parting, Squirtle, Trap, barely lost to Rain and First (3-2). He can stand his ground against them.
Yeah but now he apparently plays mech. Mech can work against zerg and terrans if he gets a terran in his group but I don't think it will work against protoss players.
I think you really need to be way above protoss in skill to make it work.
On January 23 2014 16:18 SniXSniPe wrote: lol Supernova will proceed to get destroyed in the first round of Code S
Depends on how many protoss will he have in his group.
In WCS KR S2 he beat Parting, Squirtle, Trap, barely lost to Rain and First (3-2). He can stand his ground against them.
Yeah but now he apparently plays mech. Mech can work against zerg and terrans if he gets a terran in his group but I don't think it will work against protoss players.
I think you really need to be way above protoss in skill to make it work.
On January 23 2014 14:54 aZealot wrote: WTF! I left for a run after Stats vs The Best and come back to Carriers? And lots of Carriers?
What happened? Good game, guys?
You missed 2 carrier games!
I missed more than half of them too actually T-T I had to go out so I wanted to watch on my mobile, but I realized I was restricited to low speed (I think it's <128Kbps) by my mobile provider for today. From then I have kept struggling to catch some wifi, or watch with the "mobile" quality (in which u basically can't see anything and that was still way too heavy for my speed restriction anyway). + Show Spoiler +
My provider puts a limit for data download not only per month but also per 3 days. After 7GB, I get restricted until the end of the month, after 1GB over 3 days, I get restricted during the next day. 2 hours of GSL is about 500MB, maybe a bit more.
On January 23 2014 14:54 aZealot wrote: WTF! I left for a run after Stats vs The Best and come back to Carriers? And lots of Carriers?
What happened? Good game, guys?
You missed 2 carrier games!
I missed more than half of them too actually T-T I had to go out so I wanted to watch on my mobile, but I realized I was restricited to low speed (<128Kbps) by my mobile provider for today. From then I have kept struggling to catch some wifi, or watch with the "mobile" quality (in which u basically can't see anything). + Show Spoiler +
My provider puts a limit for data download not only per month but also per 3 days. After 7GB, I get restricted until the end of the month, after 1GB over 3 days, I get restricted during the next day. 2 hours of GSL is about 500MB, maybe a bit more.
On January 23 2014 14:54 aZealot wrote: WTF! I left for a run after Stats vs The Best and come back to Carriers? And lots of Carriers?
What happened? Good game, guys?
You missed 2 carrier games!
I missed more than half of them too actually T-T I had to go out so I wanted to watch on my mobile, but I realized I was restricited to low speed (<128Kbps) by my mobile provider for today. From then I have kept struggling to catch some wifi, or watch with the "mobile" quality (in which u basically can't see anything). + Show Spoiler +
My provider puts a limit for data download not only per month but also per 3 days. After 7GB, I get restricted until the end of the month, after 1GB over 3 days, I get restricted during the next day. 2 hours of GSL is about 500MB, maybe a bit more.
Wow that sucks.
I really wanted to kill my mobile provider. The 3 days restriction they set isn't written in any of the basic documentation they provide. I figured it out 2 months ago, now I use some data monitoring tool to check. I can deal with the one month limit easily but this f*** 3 days limit is annoying.
On January 23 2014 14:56 Loccstana wrote: So vikings lose to carriers, voidrays, phoenix, tempest, basically every single Protoss airunit?
Vikings are good vs tempests (even if they have a smaller range, it's still a decent one and their speed allows them to not be kited too easily by the tempests). Also, from Liquipedia about vikings : "They can be used to deter Protoss air units, as Vikings out-range Void Rays and Phoenixes. On an equal supply basis, Vikings will be able to take out Void Rays and without micro will go relatively even against Phoenixes and Carriers."
Basically on equal supply/money/upgrade basis, vikings will be slightly > or at least = to toss air units.
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
Its a next level scouting strategy.
I wonder what happens if by chance they actually meet some group of terran units during their way back home ?
On January 23 2014 14:59 aZealot wrote: FUCK! I don't have a GSL sub, either. It might be time to purchase one just so I can watch the vods of "Carrier has arrived".
Man, it did my Protoss heart good to see carriers owning it up for the win. :D
best part was when he recalled the carriers and the interceptors traveled half the map to get back to the carriers rofl
Awesome. Mama Carrier, I'm coming home!
Alright, looks like they will get some money from me. I can't not watch these games and this series. :D
On January 23 2014 17:16 Shellshock wrote: Damn sounds like I missed some sick games. Was hoping Coca would get through but I like Supernova as well so I guess that's ok
Stats vs SuNo was the best unconventional best of 3 of 2014 so far
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Shooting at Interceptors is a complete waste.
But you can.
Stop Micro isn't target firing. There's a difference.
You can stop a widow mine from firing and have it reload it's auto-lock but you can't ever manually select what it locks on to.
Why does this matter vs Carriers? Because Interceptors are always around unless you knock them out and Widow Mines lock onto them constantly.
Makes sense. Now if you use mines defensively around your base, the carriers get engaged before interceptors are out, and vikings can do the rest. Overall I think mines + vikings would be very decent (but mines must be far enough from yourself or the friendly fire will hurt).
I can't watch but from what i read i always wondered if sometime players don't donate units or "throw" a game because they think they can afford it and still win in order to make the game more entertainable (but sometime they just lose because it was too risky). Boxer said that even in loss, he would try some awesome thing so the game could be remembered for his play than for the guy that actually won.
It may be not exactly this. Been a while since i read Crazy as me.
Watched the carrier game VODs (fortunately they are free if you live in Korea). Damn that was satisfying. Interceptors shot looks pretty cool. You so rarely see it!
On January 24 2014 06:15 Ben- wrote: can anybody else not change the quality of the vods? im stuck trying to watch on source and it lags/stutters even though it loads fine
I seem to be able to occasionally, but generally not. It's awful, I spend about 1/3 of my total viewing just buffering.
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Shooting at Interceptors is a complete waste.
But you can.
Stop Micro isn't target firing. There's a difference.
You can stop a widow mine from firing and have it reload it's auto-lock but you can't ever manually select what it locks on to.
Why does this matter vs Carriers? Because Interceptors are always around unless you knock them out and Widow Mines lock onto them constantly.
If your right click the target while burrowing it will target that unit... unless this was patched out? On multiple occasions I've accidentally done it and had the widow mines mass overkill the same unit. They won't overkill unless manually targeting the enemy, either.
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Shooting at Interceptors is a complete waste.
But you can.
Stop Micro isn't target firing. There's a difference.
You can stop a widow mine from firing and have it reload it's auto-lock but you can't ever manually select what it locks on to.
Why does this matter vs Carriers? Because Interceptors are always around unless you knock them out and Widow Mines lock onto them constantly.
If your right click the target while burrowing it will target that unit... unless this was patched out? On multiple occasions I've accidentally done it and had the widow mines mass overkill the same unit. They won't overkill unless manually targeting the enemy, either.
You can indeed manually target fire with widow mines.
On January 29 2014 18:56 Gamlet wrote: i know place with free gsl vods for watch and download/Can goms or twitch close it?
they can and they should close it
If its twitch video downloader/ they can close too?
If this software allows to freely download videos behind a paywall, Gom can certainly asks from Twitch that they fix their shit so that their VODs aren't rippable as easily.
On January 29 2014 18:56 Gamlet wrote: i know place with free gsl vods for watch and download/Can goms or twitch close it?
they can and they should close it
If its twitch video downloader/ they can close too?
If this software allows to freely download videos behind a paywall, Gom can certainly asks from Twitch that they fix their shit so that their VODs aren't rippable as easily.
Dunno why but i thought twitch downloader was part of twitch... Surprise it isn't.
On January 23 2014 14:54 Inty wrote: Supernova really needed widow mines. They do so well against carriers since they are cheap and fast to build and do a lot of splash since carriers stack up so much.
Only problem is that you can't target fire with Widow Mines.
Shooting at Interceptors is a complete waste.
But you can.
Stop Micro isn't target firing. There's a difference.
You can stop a widow mine from firing and have it reload it's auto-lock but you can't ever manually select what it locks on to.
Why does this matter vs Carriers? Because Interceptors are always around unless you knock them out and Widow Mines lock onto them constantly.
If your right click the target while burrowing it will target that unit... unless this was patched out? On multiple occasions I've accidentally done it and had the widow mines mass overkill the same unit. They won't overkill unless manually targeting the enemy, either.
You can indeed manually target fire with widow mines.
You can and you should. When playing the quick 2 WM drop against P its like the most important 2 clicks you will make the whole early game.