EPT[SPL] SKT T1 vs CJ Entus - Round 1 2014 - Page 24
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Hydra is 0-5. Guess, they have a litigation with sOs who will lose more, because it's ridiculous. And people still doubt Classic. Of course he's 3rd Protoss in SKT, but there is nothing bad in it. BrAvO played nice. I was like "Sora will definitely get it" after this 1 hp nexus but no. And roach ZvZ, nothing to say about it. EffOrt played 3 ZvZs, whole SPL got 3 ZvZs. Woongjin Stars 3-0 CJ Entus basically. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:03 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Hope, PartinG wasn't very disappointed about loss. Shit happens. Hydra is 0-5. Guess, they have a litigation with sOs who will lose more, because it's ridiculous. And people still doubt Classic. Of course he's 3rd Protoss in SKT, but there is nothing bad in it. BrAvO played nice. I was like "Sora will definitely get it" after this 1 hp nexus but no. And roach ZvZ, nothing to say about it. EffOrt played 3 ZvZs, whole SPL got 3 ZvZs. Woongjin Stars + STX SPL player n2 3-0 CJ Entus basically. Fixed that for you, do not thank :D | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:16 ArTiFaKs wrote: Sora isn't the CJ ace, herO is. Sora just seems inconsistent, and I duno what they are going to do about Hydra. I think with the results Terran's have been getting it's about time to go back to Bbyong. They need someone else besides herO/Sora to step up and start winning some games consistently. But losing to probably the easier teams early on really hurt them because they are having to win "must win" games against the stronger teams in the league. But it's just disappointing to see Hydra, who was supposed to be the other player besides herO/Sora to step up and take some games and he's been very, very bad. Like that cannon rush, he only sent 1 drone down and didn't respect it, and it ended up costing him the game because of it. He couldn't put on any pressure and was trying to catch up in economy the whole game, especially because of the early 3rd by classic, which Hydra couldn't do anything about because he was so far behind. Everybody is just so much inconsistent ... Back in BW days CJ had Savior , Much and Iris . After that Kwanro , Effort , Movie , Skyhigh and eventually Bbyong and Hydra a fucking monster line-ups . Both Effort and Hydra were ACE player material in BW . Now although their skills aren't inferior to other players they make the stupidest mistakes in game and lose do to them ... herO and Sora are okeish , herO is probably the ace , but he seems to be playing very risky vs strong opponents which costs him games . | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:16 ArTiFaKs wrote: Sora isn't the CJ ace, herO is. Sora just seems inconsistent If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:49 Zealously wrote: If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity | ||
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity hydra is a lot of things, mediocre is surely not one of them... | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity I judge Hydra by an amount of games twenty times larger than the amount of games he's played this season. He may not be redefining the term bonjwa, but he is not mediocre. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity Check the last PL season, he was the zerg player with the most wins. More than Soulkey, Jaedong, Roro and everyone else. I know PL stats aren't the one and only indicator for how great a player is, but having most wins is nothing to scoff at. CJ seems to be an underachieving team for a while now compared to what they seem to be capable of, like KT (except Flash) always overachieves compared to individual league performances. But I agree that their top players are definitely above mediocre. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:38 Neemi wrote: Check the last PL season, he was the zerg player with the most wins. More than Soulkey, Jaedong, Roro and everyone else. I know PL stats aren't the one and only indicator for how great a player is, but having most wins is nothing to scoff at. yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:45 opterown wrote: yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre I think "mediocre" is being grossly misused, though. I know people sometimes say that Flash "isn't good" but I mean I don't see anything to indicate that he's not. He's not astonishingly good but there are more modes than "bonjwa" and "bad". I suppose people sometimes have difficulty with nuances ^^ | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:12 Zealously wrote: I judge Hydra by an amount of games twenty times larger than the amount of games he's played this season. He may not be redefining the term bonjwa, but he is not mediocre. I just can't see where he did anything "impressive" in the recent past, iem i guess, but the "impressive" part was online for me and i really don't count online play^^ But yeah i agree with you that people are too fast with judging people from a few games, i just don't agree that this is the case with hydra | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 06:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: I just can't see where he did anything "impressive" in the recent past, iem i guess, but the "impressive" part was online for me and i really don't count online play^^ But yeah i agree with you that people are too fast with judging people from a few games, i just don't agree that this is the case with hydra Well, everyone has the right to an opinion even if the opinion is wrong ^_^ You don't think outperforming (winning more than) players like Soulkey (!), JD, Effort and Roro in last season's Proleague is impressive though? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 15 2014 06:56 Zealously wrote: Well, everyone has the right to an opinion even if the opinion is wrong ^_^ You don't think outperforming (winning more than) players like Soulkey (!), JD, Effort and Roro in last season's Proleague is impressive though? Hehe at least you trust him till the end, but i can't see how a life fan can protect hydra that much  Even Roro is better Oo :D That is over half a year ago, i don't see how that is relevant right now, and to be quite honest the winrate isn't that impressive, no ^^ | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:49 Zealously wrote: If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. I actually agree with you for once. Kt has had worse starts in pl than cj this season and still been able to win it all. On January 15 2014 05:45 opterown wrote: yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre But they are morons or antifans... | ||
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