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esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
January 14 2014 12:41 GMT
#541
would've been perfect if zest lost, cause action would lose too and i'd get a shitload of fpl points from flash - ty - flash - kt combo :D
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 14 2014 12:42 GMT
#542
On January 14 2014 21:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:37 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:36 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:35 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:34 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:32 TaShadan wrote:
rape.... now its official Kespa teams > former esf... except CJ maybe


So you're telling me if you happened upon a day when Maru was playing you would say former esf > Kespa teams?


It's the teams dude, not the players.

maru's success is clearly not a product of kespa


he's been stronger in jin air than prime so far, isn't he like 6-0? jin air is obviously a better atmosphere for him, he's being paid well and he can focus completely on the game now.


He won an OSL on Prime. Can't say that about Jin Air.


there haven't been any individual leagues since he joined, are you being serious?


Not particularly. I'm just being blunt and saying winning 6* games in PL doesn't mean he's stronger than he's ever been in Prime.


But PL is the most important tournament in the world, just ask the Power Rank guys.

(wait, are you the power rank guy?)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 14 2014 12:42 GMT
#543
On January 14 2014 21:38 Tchado wrote:
This IM performance is a blasphemy against Nestea and MVP !!!!!!! burn the heretics that bring sacrilege to the name of IM ! crucify the coach !


I dunno, with the team losing LG sponsor and their 2 LoL teams not doing well, they must be under huge financial stress. That is probably why they couldn't keep First, Yoda, LosirA who were their mainstay in team leagues along with Yongwha.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
January 14 2014 12:43 GMT
#544
On January 14 2014 21:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:38 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:37 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:36 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:35 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:34 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:32 TaShadan wrote:
rape.... now its official Kespa teams > former esf... except CJ maybe


So you're telling me if you happened upon a day when Maru was playing you would say former esf > Kespa teams?


It's the teams dude, not the players.

maru's success is clearly not a product of kespa


he's been stronger in jin air than prime so far, isn't he like 6-0? jin air is obviously a better atmosphere for him, he's being paid well and he can focus completely on the game now.


He won an OSL on Prime. Can't say that about Jin Air.


there haven't been any individual leagues since he joined, are you being serious?


Not particularly. I'm just being blunt and saying winning 6* games in PL doesn't mean he's stronger than he's ever been in Prime.


But PL is the most important tournament in the world, just ask the Power Rank guys.

(wait, are you the power rank guy?)

Well it kinda is when there is no other tournament going on, lol.
I mean - TY didn't qualify for Code A. Would anyone argue with him deserving the spot on January power rank?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 14 2014 12:44 GMT
#545
On January 14 2014 21:41 mechengineer123 wrote:
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On January 14 2014 21:37 tritonice wrote:
Hero WAY too greedy in the third game. Do you think he forgot his archives? Tough loss, but congrats to Rolster. GGWP.

It wasn't too greedy, he just managed to forget his templar archives. It's mindboggling how these "top protoss" forget things like this over and over again. If he had a couple of ht or archons he woulda just won the game with this silly strat.


Alright, now before we jump to silly conclusions. Misclicks happen to everybody. For all you know he clicked to make it with a probe and then misclicked the probe somewhere else, cancelling the process of building it

It shouldn't happen but it does. And not just to protoss players.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 14 2014 12:45 GMT
#546
On January 14 2014 21:41 esdf wrote:
would've been perfect if zest lost, cause action would lose too and i'd get a shitload of fpl points from flash - ty - flash - kt combo :D

same here, but because I would get 2 anti-team points instead of 5 and Squirtle would win.
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jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 14 2014 12:46 GMT
#547
On January 14 2014 21:41 mechengineer123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:37 tritonice wrote:
Hero WAY too greedy in the third game. Do you think he forgot his archives? Tough loss, but congrats to Rolster. GGWP.

It wasn't too greedy, he just managed to forget his templar archives. It's mindboggling how these "top protoss" forget things like this over and over again. If he had a couple of ht or archons he woulda just won the game with this silly strat.


He didn't forget the templar; he just couldn't tech up because of Flash knocking on his door in every step. With your reasoning, you can also say that Hero forgot to hit the upgrades but that's also not the case. Flash's map presence in that game was amazing, killing off every single hidden pylons that Hero can use to counter attack Flash.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
January 14 2014 12:47 GMT
#548
On January 14 2014 21:43 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:42 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:38 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:37 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:36 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:35 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:34 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:32 TaShadan wrote:
rape.... now its official Kespa teams > former esf... except CJ maybe


So you're telling me if you happened upon a day when Maru was playing you would say former esf > Kespa teams?


It's the teams dude, not the players.

maru's success is clearly not a product of kespa


he's been stronger in jin air than prime so far, isn't he like 6-0? jin air is obviously a better atmosphere for him, he's being paid well and he can focus completely on the game now.


He won an OSL on Prime. Can't say that about Jin Air.


there haven't been any individual leagues since he joined, are you being serious?


Not particularly. I'm just being blunt and saying winning 6* games in PL doesn't mean he's stronger than he's ever been in Prime.


But PL is the most important tournament in the world, just ask the Power Rank guys.

(wait, are you the power rank guy?)

Well it kinda is when there is no other tournament going on, lol.
I mean - TY didn't qualify for Code A. Would anyone argue with him deserving the spot on January power rank?


Ty is sick good, he just got protossed. He should be on every PR.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 12:47:43
January 14 2014 12:47 GMT
#549
On January 14 2014 21:39 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:39 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:38 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:37 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:35 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:34 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:32 TaShadan wrote:
rape.... now its official Kespa teams > former esf... except CJ maybe


So you're telling me if you happened upon a day when Maru was playing you would say former esf > Kespa teams?


It's the teams dude, not the players.

maru's success is clearly not a product of kespa


he's been stronger in jin air than prime so far, isn't he like 6-0? jin air is obviously a better atmosphere for him, he's being paid well and he can focus completely on the game now.

you can't say that at all lol, maru could have easily got the same 6-0 with prime


does it not stand to reason that being in a situation where you're being paid well and don't have to worry about the stress of financial issues will yield better practice and results?

no, maru clearly doesn't give fucks

see huk, he was payed better on EG and didn't have to worry about money... lol dodgin bad reasoning yo


EG doesn't work anything like jin air, coach park said it himself. a western player becoming complacent is not nearly the same situation as this.


There are all kinds of strange players out there. Stardust did much better on a foreign team than a Kespa team. Violet did much better solo than he ever did on MVP. Soulkey has been playing fairly lackluster since he joined SKT. Innovation has played exactly the same when he went from Soul to teamless to Acer. Jaedong was terrible on T8 but over the course of 8 months became one of the best Zerg players on EG.

Being on a good team is of course always a positive thing, but who is to say that was the reason Maru went 6-0 in PL as the main reason. No one disputes the fact that Kespa teams are specialized in PL and are by far the best in that tournament. But sometimes it's more complicated than that. Was Maru bad before he joined Jin Air? No, he got an OSL, three semi-finals in his last WCS event. But compare that to Soulkey. Both did well in WCS, both won tournaments last year, but Soulkey hasn't done nearly as well as you expect a former ACE player would, but you don't see people blaming his team for his mediocre results.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 14 2014 12:48 GMT
#550
On January 14 2014 21:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:38 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:37 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:36 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:35 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:34 opterown wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 Dodgin wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:32 TaShadan wrote:
rape.... now its official Kespa teams > former esf... except CJ maybe


So you're telling me if you happened upon a day when Maru was playing you would say former esf > Kespa teams?


It's the teams dude, not the players.

maru's success is clearly not a product of kespa


he's been stronger in jin air than prime so far, isn't he like 6-0? jin air is obviously a better atmosphere for him, he's being paid well and he can focus completely on the game now.


He won an OSL on Prime. Can't say that about Jin Air.


there haven't been any individual leagues since he joined, are you being serious?


Not particularly. I'm just being blunt and saying winning 6* games in PL doesn't mean he's stronger than he's ever been in Prime.


But PL is the most important tournament in the world, just ask the Power Rank guys.

(wait, are you the power rank guy?)


Thats monk, he abandoned PL for hearthstone. ESGN > PL
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25468 Posts
January 14 2014 12:49 GMT
#551
On January 14 2014 21:46 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 21:41 mechengineer123 wrote:
On January 14 2014 21:37 tritonice wrote:
Hero WAY too greedy in the third game. Do you think he forgot his archives? Tough loss, but congrats to Rolster. GGWP.

It wasn't too greedy, he just managed to forget his templar archives. It's mindboggling how these "top protoss" forget things like this over and over again. If he had a couple of ht or archons he woulda just won the game with this silly strat.


He didn't forget the templar; he just couldn't tech up because of Flash knocking on his door in every step. With your reasoning, you can also say that Hero forgot to hit the upgrades but that's also not the case. Flash's map presence in that game was amazing, killing off every single hidden pylons that Hero can use to counter attack Flash.

He clearly forgot it. I think HerO cut upgrades that he might have planned due to Flash's pressure, no Protoss goes into that stage of the game without a plan for some splash. His Robo looked reactive so I don't think he was trying to sneak out Collosus tech when he could.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 14 2014 12:49 GMT
#552
Nearly TY's entire SC2 career has been kicking the shit out of PL to lose in Code B
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
January 14 2014 12:51 GMT
#553
Most esf players just want to join foreign teams / WCS EU/NA nowadays so these former esf teams end up with mostly 2nd tier players, no wonder they get trashed.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25468 Posts
January 14 2014 12:55 GMT
#554
Yeah damn those ESF boys joining foreign teams for the cash, like Dear Innovation and Jaedong
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 13:01:12
January 14 2014 13:01 GMT
#555
On January 14 2014 21:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
Yeah damn those ESF boys joining foreign teams for the cash, like Dear Innovation and Jaedong


well those were almost teamless
Zest fanboy.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 14 2014 13:01 GMT
#556
I look forward to those VODs :D
TY so good.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44134 Posts
January 14 2014 13:04 GMT
#557
oh yeah the FPL point yum-yum :D


i'm already on the 105 spot .. keep it going KT at this rate i might FPL :D
this is a quote
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
January 14 2014 13:04 GMT
#558
On January 14 2014 21:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
Yeah damn those ESF boys joining foreign teams for the cash, like Dear Innovation and Jaedong


I meant Yoda, First, Losira, Jjakji, Bomber etc but I appreciate your sarcasm.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 13:05:27
January 14 2014 13:05 GMT
#559
Omg, what went wrong? By looking at sheer roster strength I was convinced that we'd take this, and then this happens. I am disheartened, because it feels like we clearly didn't play to our full potential
But KT deserves all respect of course, gg guise
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
January 14 2014 13:16 GMT
#560
Why proleague not important? Is it because there is no individual championship?

But we should rate a player, based on performance, the player he is against. Not because he is not in individual tournament.
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