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Enstein
Russian Federation134 Posts
On December 14 2013 11:02 Aonir wrote: I can tell you he didnt decline the invitation. They didnt ask him. The initial idea of the tournament was to have the best players represent their countries. Without Hasu it's clear that this goal won't be achieved ((( Really mad about the organisers' choice. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On December 14 2013 17:07 Enstein wrote: The initial idea of the tournament was to have the best players represent their countries. Without Hasu it's clear that this goal won't be achieved ((( Really mad about the organisers' choice. I suppose it is difficult to make everyone happy without having a national championship first, deciding the top three of each country through tournament instead of through voting. | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
On December 14 2013 17:07 Enstein wrote: The initial idea of the tournament was to have the best players represent their countries. What makes you think that is the initial idea? Public voting for players suggests that the idea is to have the most popular players represent their countries. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On December 14 2013 17:51 Noam wrote: What makes you think that is the initial idea? Public voting for players suggests that the idea is to have the most popular players represent their countries. Which in any case would put Hasu into the pool, since he is one of the strongest and most popular players. Really sad, he is not in the pool. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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RayBeans
Germany331 Posts
On December 14 2013 17:16 BaneRiders wrote: I suppose it is difficult to make everyone happy without having a national championship first, deciding the top three of each country through tournament instead of through voting. Well on Sunday the german national championship (EPS) takes place, and Socke, HeroMarine, ShowTime AND Hasu are in it. So at least these 4 players should have been selected for voting. Can't really believe that they didn't even ask him, but if Aonir said it it is the truth (she is hasus girlfriend). Hugely disappointed by this Personally i'll wait for the results of EPS until voting. Find more information on the EPS here: http://www.eslproseries.de/ | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
Masters, taking down 3 koreans... Showtime, Socke and Heromarine it is for me in this case, but O´Gaming should really think about setting up a second vote with Hasu for the further series, as soon as the other countires votes are finished and there is time for it. | ||
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Firlefanz
Germany245 Posts
On December 14 2013 19:17 TheOneAboveU wrote: Why are you voting for TLO, he never gave a shit about the german scene. I hope he takes this tournament seriously and doesn't repeat this crap with his EPS forfeit just to get more international e-fame... As soon as there will be some sort of Liquid teamleague messing with his schedule he will probably forfeit his games, while it would be meaningful for other players to represent their country. | ||
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SC2Kerri
France91 Posts
The absence of Current National Selector (as you would find in other sports and Disciplines) encouraged us to give the choice to local communities, That now Better their own players. We have contacted single Top Europe player to participate in NationWars, if a Player / county seems missing, it is mainly because of Players Agenda issues. If this edition is a success we will be happy to provide with additionnal editions. National qualification through a Championship would be a clean way to Select the Lineup, we'll definitely consider this option for Future editions, but it was too massive to organize for this first Edition. Thanks for participating in the Votes, we hope you'll have a great time Watching this Show ! Casters wil be announced soon, stay tuned  Nation Wars Admins | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
I don't understand how HasuObs' agenda was an issue if he wasn't contacted ^^ | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On December 15 2013 00:09 SC2Kerri wrote: O'GamingTv chose Community Votes as a way to select the Best Players. The absence of Current National Selector (as you would find in other sports and Disciplines) encouraged us to give the choice to local communities, That now Better their own players. We have contacted single Top Europe player to participate in NationWars, if a Player / county seems missing, it is mainly because of Players Agenda issues. If this edition is a success we will be happy to provide with additionnal editions. National qualification through a Championship would be a clean way to Select the Lineup, we'll definitely consider this option for Future editions, but it was too massive to organize for this first Edition. Thanks for participating in the Votes, we hope you'll have a great time Watching this Show ! Casters wil be announced soon, stay tuned Nation Wars Admins I don't understand what you are trying to express. The question was: Why was Hasu not asked? | ||
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stardog
556 Posts
On December 15 2013 00:09 SC2Kerri wrote: The absence of Current National Selector (as you would find in other sports and Disciplines) encouraged us to give the choice to local communities, Nation Wars Admins But now everyone can vote, not just local communities. Otherwise Tefel would most likely take Poland's third spot instead of Millenium's DieStar and HasuObs would surely be one of Germany's prime candidates. The idea to make such tournament is great but there is already some bad blood due to the system. | ||
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a3den
704 Posts
On December 15 2013 00:23 grs wrote: I don't understand what you are trying to express. The question was: Why was Hasu not asked? He's trying to say "if he isn't in the list, that's probably because he can't attend the tourney". Check with hasu on twitter if you want. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On December 15 2013 01:25 stardog wrote: But now everyone can vote, not just local communities. Otherwise Tefel would most likely take Poland's third spot instead of Millenium's DieStar and HasuObs would surely be one of Germany's prime candidates. The idea to make such tournament is great but there is already some bad blood due to the system. According to liquipedia, Tefel and Diestar are going to battle it out in a Bo3, so I don't know why people are still complaining about that. You claim that Poland would have voted Tefel, but can you back this up with some sort of evidence? | ||
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stardog
556 Posts
On December 15 2013 01:54 BaneRiders wrote: According to liquipedia, Tefel and Diestar are going to battle it out in a Bo3, so I don't know why people are still complaining about that. You claim that Poland would have voted Tefel, but can you back this up with some sort of evidence? So it seems liquipedia knows better than organizers and involved players, all of whom claim that DieStar is official third player in the Polish roster. Yes, I said that it would most likely prefer Tefel after reading Polish forums. Local community which was supposed to be given the choice knows that only in December Tefel beat DieStar 2:0, 3:0 in fan4fan and 2:1 in ESL Pro Series Poland VII. So Tefel is 7:1 vs DieStar in their most recent official matches. Also Tefel (and user who wasn't even on list) made some impact in WCS Europe while DieStar made none. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On December 15 2013 02:25 stardog wrote: So it seems liquipedia knows better than organizers and involved players, all of whom claim that DieStar is official third player in the Polish roster. Yes, I said that it would most likely prefer Tefel after reading Polish forums. Local community which was supposed to be given the choice knows that only in December Tefel beat DieStar 2:0, 3:0 in fan4fan and 2:1 in ESL Pro Series Poland VII. So Tefel is 7:1 vs DieStar in their most recent official matches. Also Tefel (and user who wasn't even on list) made some impact in WCS Europe while DieStar made none. Well, you seem to be correct about there being no Bo3, the information has been changed on liquipedia now. I can't read French very well, so I couldn't find any information about it on the official web site. This is disappointing. I would much have preferred to have a deciding Bo3 between them, since the vote was practically a draw (just like in the Spanish poll). Luckily it doesn't look like there will be a draw in the German / Ukrainian polls at least. Local communities can and have voted, but not exclusively for their own team. I would imagine though that Polish community cares more about voting for the Polish players than for example the Canadian starcraft community, but if DieStar has gained a lot of popularity and support outside Poland, and his fans have taken the time to vote for him, is that a bad thing? Would you suggest an exclusive poll only open to people with proven Polish citizenship? That seems a bit unpractical to me.  Technical things aside, stating that there is a preference for Tefel in Polish forums is not really, in my opinion, a strong case against the poll that was already done. I'm not saying you are wrong, but that is your opinion and not the result of a second poll or something like that. A second poll when there is a draw (like within the same percentage) could very well be the second best solution (after a deciding match). I fully understand that the organizer couldn't launch national qualification tournaments the first time they organize this. I hope this tournament becomes a huge success and that the next one will have more national teams and national qualifications too. | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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stardog
556 Posts
On December 15 2013 04:18 BaneRiders wrote: I fully understand that the organizer couldn't launch national qualification tournaments the first time they organize this. I hope this tournament becomes a huge success and that the next one will have more national teams and national qualifications too. Yes, I hope that too, there definitely is a place for national tournaments and this one can be pivotal | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 15 2013 01:39 a3den wrote: He's trying to say "if he isn't in the list, that's probably because he can't attend the tourney". Check with hasu on twitter if you want. His girlfriend posted here that they didn't ask him. I don't think we need to ask Hasu directly if that's correct. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20429994 | ||
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
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