• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:24
CEST 05:24
KST 12:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches>
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1570 users

[DreamHack] Winter Day 3 2013 - Page 226

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 266 Next
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:12:37
November 30 2013 23:11 GMT
#4501
TvT is arguably the best match up in the game. It's clearly the best mirror. ZvZ and PvP probably worst match ups in the game. TvZ is pretty good but I wish we saw more varied compositions. WoL TvZ before BL infestor was the best match up SC2 has seen yet in it's history.
Red and yellow are all I see
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:12:01
November 30 2013 23:11 GMT
#4502
didnt get any first person view yet. Production probably just busy watching the awesome games :D
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44272 Posts
November 30 2013 23:11 GMT
#4503
On December 01 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Back in time. Exciting final so far?

game 1,2,3 are a must too see .. too crazy
this is a quote
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 30 2013 23:11 GMT
#4504
So assuming Life wins the rest of the games he will defeat Taeja with an end score of 4-4 in the tournament against him. That is just so dumb for the finals.
QO Feasting
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4505
On December 01 2013 08:11 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
TvT is arguably the best match up in the game.


T v Z at top GSL level is normally better but T v T can be just as good for sure. I think everyone can agree they're the two best matchups
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4506
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.
The Bomber boy
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4507
On December 01 2013 08:04 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:03 Dinotramp wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:01 goody153 wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

i think tvp and zvp are on the same spot .. tvp produces the most nailbitting shit at times whenever we it doesnt involve in all-ins from toss ...

like

that long macro game taeja vs rain on whirlwind
or flash vs parting on akilon waste


Slight problem there, "When it isn't all-ins" All in for toss is like 95% of the time.

yep thats why its rare .. tvp when the toss all-ins mostly makes everyone hates the game .. but long macro games produce crazy micro


i'd order it in terms of excitingness like this:

Z v P
T v Z
T v T
P v P
T v P
Z v Z

ZvP edges out TvZ because it has way more variability in strategy. TvZ is more action packed but it's virtually always the 4m vs mutaling stuff. ZvP has quite a bit of action too, many different openings and lots of strategies on both sides. TvT is just a great mirror, multiple possible strats and tons of openings. TvP is awful, it's always the same stuff and usually just P defending and trying to avoid action as much as possible until lategame save the occasional cheese from P. PvP is ok, quite some varied actions but get's a bit stale after the early game. ZvZ is the worst especially with the trend of gasless into roaches, pure roach or roach/hydra fights are really boring.
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4508
TvT is really good as long as long as at least one player plays Bio.

Banshee vs. Banshee is bad, Mech vs. Mech is horrible.
Have a nice day!
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4509
On December 01 2013 08:11 bourne117 wrote:
So assuming Life wins the rest of the games he will defeat Taeja with an end score of 4-4 in the tournament against him. That is just so dumb for the finals.


Its not one long series during the entire tournament. THe final is the final
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
November 30 2013 23:12 GMT
#4510
On December 01 2013 08:12 Wintex wrote:
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.


Especially when he gets wiped by a foreigner.
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4511
On December 01 2013 08:12 Wintex wrote:
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.

Indeed. Bomber <3!! :3
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4512
Twitch dieing on me -.-
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4513
On December 01 2013 08:12 Wintex wrote:
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.

haha. didn't need to look at the username to know who wrote it.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:13:37
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4514
On December 01 2013 08:11 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Back in time. Exciting final so far?

Best final in a while imo.


It's been a long time since we had a Finals that wasn't just a 4-0 / 4-1 walkover, IEM NY with Nani vs Life comes to mind but Life had that one in the bag
The curse is real
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4515
On December 01 2013 08:12 Dinotramp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:12 Wintex wrote:
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.


Especially when he gets wiped by a foreigner.

dat BURN
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4516
On December 01 2013 08:12 Dinotramp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:12 Wintex wrote:
Bomber versus any race = best matchups.


admit it.


Especially when he gets wiped by a foreigner.

Jesus, too soon..
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#4517
On December 01 2013 08:11 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
TvT is arguably the best match up in the game. It's clearly the best mirror. ZvZ and PvP probably worst match ups in the game. TvZ is pretty good but I wish we saw more varied compositions. WoL TvZ before BL infestor was the best match up SC2 has seen yet in it's history.

Everything you said differs from opinion to opinion.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 30 2013 23:14 GMT
#4518
On December 01 2013 08:11 bourne117 wrote:
So assuming Life wins the rest of the games he will defeat Taeja with an end score of 4-4 in the tournament against him. That is just so dumb for the finals.

I always wonder why people look at it like that. Different rounds reset the score, seems so obvious.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44272 Posts
November 30 2013 23:14 GMT
#4519
On December 01 2013 08:12 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 08:04 goody153 wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:03 Dinotramp wrote:
On December 01 2013 08:01 goody153 wrote:
On December 01 2013 07:59 Dinotramp wrote:
In order of excitingness

T v Z
T v T
Z v P
T v P
Z v Z
P v P

Any disagreements?

i think tvp and zvp are on the same spot .. tvp produces the most nailbitting shit at times whenever we it doesnt involve in all-ins from toss ...

like

that long macro game taeja vs rain on whirlwind
or flash vs parting on akilon waste


Slight problem there, "When it isn't all-ins" All in for toss is like 95% of the time.

yep thats why its rare .. tvp when the toss all-ins mostly makes everyone hates the game .. but long macro games produce crazy micro


i'd order it in terms of excitingness like this:

Z v P
T v Z
T v T
P v P
T v P
Z v Z

ZvP edges out TvZ because it has way more variability in strategy. TvZ is more action packed but it's virtually always the 4m vs mutaling stuff. ZvP has quite a bit of action too, many different openings and lots of strategies on both sides. TvT is just a great mirror, multiple possible strats and tons of openings. TvP is awful, it's always the same stuff and usually just P defending and trying to avoid action as much as possible until lategame save the occasional cheese from P. PvP is ok, quite some varied actions but get's a bit stale after the early game. ZvZ is the worst especially with the trend of gasless into roaches, pure roach or roach/hydra fights are really boring.


wow people really have different opinions although i agree with zvz .. roachwars are too boring. I missed the lingbling wars only already
this is a quote
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 30 2013 23:14 GMT
#4520
these last 4 games have been nothing short of amazing. Taeja holding on in game 3 to win it. Life winning with aggression. The ending of the first game(only one I missed so far lol).
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 266 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
00:00
The 5.4k Patch Clash #17
CranKy Ducklings135
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech127
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6321
Mind 225
910 56
Nal_rA 41
NaDa 35
Noble 18
Dota 2
monkeys_forever631
NeuroSwarm94
League of Legends
Doublelift3490
JimRising 718
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv5789
taco 918
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1333
Mew2King53
Other Games
summit1g9273
C9.Mang0794
WinterStarcraft430
Maynarde112
ViBE100
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick764
BasetradeTV522
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream53
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP39
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 28
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush598
• Lourlo543
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
6h 36m
Jaedong vs Light
Wardi Open
7h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 36m
Replay Cast
20h 36m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
1d 7h
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.