• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:01
CET 06:01
KST 14:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1125 users

[GSTL] Round 2 StarTale vs Ax-Acer 2013 Season 2 - Page 18

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 Next All
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 14 2013 11:05 GMT
#341
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this
AdministratorBreak the chains
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 14 2013 11:05 GMT
#342
On November 14 2013 20:04 Jono7272 wrote:
Gogo Avenge, give me Innovation vs Life ace match.


oh god that would be to much excitement for a thursday afternoon.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2013 11:06 GMT
#343
On November 14 2013 20:04 Jono7272 wrote:
Gogo Avenge, give me Innovation vs Life ace match.


Yeah i would like this too :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 14 2013 11:06 GMT
#344
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.
The Bomber boy
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2013 11:07 GMT
#345
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.


Thats how he got his Pen i guess? Observation skill level over 9000?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 14 2013 11:08 GMT
#346
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

something not about Bomber


WOW
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 14 2013 11:09 GMT
#347
On November 14 2013 20:07 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.


Thats how he got his Pen i guess? Observation skill level over 9000?

His skill in writing the most brilliant texts about the best team, StarTale, is also the reason.
The Bomber boy
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 14 2013 11:09 GMT
#348
On November 14 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

something not about Bomber


WOW

hahahahahah, you made my day, dolli.
The Bomber boy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 14 2013 11:09 GMT
#349
On November 14 2013 20:09 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:07 Pandemona wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.


Thats how he got his Pen i guess? Observation skill level over 9000?

His skill in writing the most brilliant texts about the best team, StarTale, is also the reason.


He also writes about Naniwa without knowing anything about him
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 14 2013 11:11 GMT
#350
On November 14 2013 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:09 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:07 Pandemona wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.


Thats how he got his Pen i guess? Observation skill level over 9000?

His skill in writing the most brilliant texts about the best team, StarTale, is also the reason.


He also writes about Naniwa without knowing anything about him

that's the best way of writing about Naniwa
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 14 2013 11:11 GMT
#351
On November 14 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

something not about Bomber


WOW

He relinquished his number 1 Bomber fan spot when he skipped WCS. He'll have to re earn it from Zealously who claimed it like you did from Darkhoarse after you lost it during WCS AM
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
November 14 2013 11:11 GMT
#352
StarTale has the best playernames for the GSL announcers.

Startale! Panic!!! D:

and

Startale, Avenge! >:O
"There should be no tying a sharp, hard object to your cock like it has a mechanical arm and hitting it with the object or using your cockring to crack the egg. No cyborg penises allowed. 100% flesh only." - semioldguy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 14 2013 11:12 GMT
#353
On November 14 2013 20:11 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

something not about Bomber


WOW

He relinquished his number 1 Bomber fan spot when he skipped WCS. He'll have to re earn it from Zealously who claimed it like you did from Darkhoarse after you lost it during WCS AM


What a hero I am
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 14 2013 11:13 GMT
#354
On November 14 2013 20:11 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

something not about Bomber


WOW

He relinquished his number 1 Bomber fan spot when he skipped WCS. He'll have to re earn it from Zealously who claimed it like you did from Darkhoarse after you lost it during WCS AM

nope.
The Bomber boy
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 14 2013 11:13 GMT
#355
Gogo Avenguuu
Hello
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 11:14:43
November 14 2013 11:13 GMT
#356
On November 14 2013 20:05 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:01 Keeemy wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:00 NarutO wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:00 Keeemy wrote:
What an easy game for Curious


If mines do nothing anymore, Terrans will struggle. This is just the start

Oh cmon, "nothing"?

Heart didn't lose this game because mines got nerfed.


Heart is actually a very good Terran vs Zerg player, at least not bad for Korean standards and mines as you could see even 3 together did barely kill anything, not to mention they don't soften up mutalisks as much buying at least a little bit of time. And yes, mines compared to their previous power have next to no potential. You would have to get very lucky shots.

Terran vs Zerg wasn't Terran favored before and the widow mine nerf is a very hard one to say the least so naturally the game will shift if it doesn't evolve from bio mine into something else. Unfortunately tanks are shut down by multiple stuff such as fast regenerating mutas that allow high sustainability or the fact that a tankforce cannot move out in low counts and pressure early, allowing Zerg to play greedy and get up a good economy you won't match.

The tank buff in itself doesn't do justice to how many disadvantages tanks have and especially doesn't make up for the nerf of the mine which is essentially the midgame pressure of Terran as it allows earlier and better AoE compared to the tank. Tanks cannot push on creep, its too dangerous. Mines could with their damage and speed, now their damage is severely recuded and its even harder to get good hits. So yeah, we will see lots of Terrans struggle, especially against good Zergs like Curious, DRG, SoulKey etc.


Yeh the problem with Tank + Mine is that they don't synergize particularly well. Actually they have dissynergies due to extra APM if you mix them in together. Thus, you need to choose one of them.

So let's assume that Widow Mines prepatch had a strenght value of 8 and tanks prepatch had a strenght of 4. Postpatch tanks got buffed to 6 and Widow Mines got nerfed to 6. Blizzard may think thats a proper way of balancing the game, but since its not efficient to mix them in together, the value of your support unit has dropped from 8 to 6 regardless of whether you use Tanks or Mines. So in fact the tank buff doesn't get close to making up for the nerf.

This will likely be pretty troublesome for terran as it already is uderpresented in the higher leagues. Source: http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/race


ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12627 Posts
November 14 2013 11:13 GMT
#357
come on avenge!!
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
November 14 2013 11:14 GMT
#358
Alicia´s keyboard looks like a box of legos. Hope he never steps on it.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
November 14 2013 11:15 GMT
#359
On November 14 2013 20:11 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:09 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:07 Pandemona wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:06 Wintex wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:05 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:04 Heartland wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:03 TheDwf wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 PineapplePizza wrote:
that engagement with the metric-fuckton of lings running over the 3 mines in the western-most base was...off.

I was expecting quite a few more casualties, at least.

Blizzard took care of that.


Bitter?

Isn't casting this

That's a correct observation, Zealously.


Thats how he got his Pen i guess? Observation skill level over 9000?

His skill in writing the most brilliant texts about the best team, StarTale, is also the reason.


He also writes about Naniwa without knowing anything about him

that's the best way of writing about Naniwa

erhm.. yeee..
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 14 2013 11:16 GMT
#360
It's about to get cray cray
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 140
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 132
Shuttle 90
scan(afreeca) 60
ZergMaN 59
ajuk12(nOOB) 34
Hm[arnc] 21
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever391
League of Legends
C9.Mang0573
Counter-Strike
summit1g13367
minikerr37
Other Games
XaKoH 171
ViBE135
ZombieGrub82
Mew2King50
kaitlyn0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2314
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH269
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki33
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1163
League of Legends
• Rush1214
Other Games
• Scarra2055
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 59m
WardiTV Invitational
6h 59m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
1d 11h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.