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Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:50:35
September 22 2013 15:08 GMT
#1
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Hello.

As you guys might know I retired from professional gaming and went to University. My passion still is in Starcraft and I'm kinda good caster. So I, Mad Catz and XMG decided to create Starcraft 2 League for Finnish Players! https://www.facebook.com/SSCLiiga I'm going to cast this as Finnish and J0su is going to cast the games English!

We invited 8 players and 8 will come through Ladder qualification.

Tournament has 500euro prize pool + product prizes.

(P)elfi - Samuli Sihvonen
(P)Welmu - Vesa Hovinen
(P)Jagelius - Jaakko Koski
(Z)Protosser - Jonne Sotala
(Z)Serral - Joona Sotala
PuPu - Benjamin Puha
(T)Naama - Santeri Lahtinen

The 8 9 qualified players are:

(P)MeteoRain - Akash Singh
(P)Ouga - Ville Wallin
(P)Aktivisti - Saku Määttä
(Z)Wibang - Niko Kukkamäki
(Z)ZhuGeLiang - Wen Lei Dai
(T)Satiini - Juha-Matti Bäckström
Calt - Eetu Laustela
(T)Tulimeri - Petteri Pori
Ike - Ismo Kinnunen

Groups and Schedule:
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 22 2013 15:22 GMT
#2
Awesome idea, thanks Fuzer. I will have huge motivation to ladder now.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2055 Posts
September 22 2013 15:27 GMT
#3
Heh, I just might participate.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 15:59:57
September 22 2013 15:59 GMT
#4
This looks just about amazing Live finals somewhere maybe?

EDIT: And happy birthday to the guy above
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 22 2013 17:25 GMT
#5
^ Onnea to both of you!

Very excited about this :D

ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
September 22 2013 17:26 GMT
#6
WIll probably tune in to watch some finnish sisu gameplay :D
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1801 Posts
September 22 2013 17:29 GMT
#7
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D
@MasterDalK | Maelstrom Entertainment | Streaming Every Esport Under the Sun
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
September 22 2013 17:34 GMT
#8
yay great news! lots of great talent in Finland :D
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
September 22 2013 17:37 GMT
#9
SICK!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 22 2013 19:01 GMT
#10
So, elfi or welmu will win this :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1801 Posts
September 22 2013 19:02 GMT
#11
On September 23 2013 04:01 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
So, elfi or welmu will win this :D

Don't forget naama.
@MasterDalK | Maelstrom Entertainment | Streaming Every Esport Under the Sun
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
September 22 2013 19:09 GMT
#12
On September 23 2013 04:02 Master of DalK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 04:01 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
So, elfi or welmu will win this :D

Don't forget naama.

I'd probably put more money on serral
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 22 2013 19:13 GMT
#13
a lot of spurdo will be given during that cup i feel :D

+ Show Spoiler +
Drink ES :DDDD
RIP MKP
Wyrd
Profile Joined May 2011
United States211 Posts
September 22 2013 19:22 GMT
#14
Cool! Thanks, Fuzer.
www.twitch.tv/wyrd5
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
September 22 2013 22:25 GMT
#15
Sisucraft
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Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
September 23 2013 14:22 GMT
#16
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Definetly! I would even say top8 easily!
I hope there would be some sort of World Championship!
itsdaniel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Austria334 Posts
September 23 2013 17:59 GMT
#17
samuli all the way!
OFFICIAL #1 STORK FAN // Stork:"This past week, there's a foreign fan named Daniel who got caught on the camera a few times. He came from Vienna in Austria to come and see me, and he wanted to be mentioned in one of my interviews."
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
September 23 2013 19:27 GMT
#18
Here you go: (Wiki)Suomen StarCraft-Liiga. The links (Wiki)Finnish StarCraft League and (Wiki)SSCLiiga also work.

I won't promise to keep them up-to-date, though, but anyone can log into LP with their TL account and password and edit it themselves, so I hope someone will
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
September 25 2013 11:28 GMT
#19
On September 24 2013 04:27 iMAniaC wrote:
Here you go: (Wiki)Suomen StarCraft-Liiga. The links (Wiki)Finnish StarCraft League and (Wiki)SSCLiiga also work.

I won't promise to keep them up-to-date, though, but anyone can log into LP with their TL account and password and edit it themselves, so I hope someone will


Wow! Awesome job sir!
Dewis
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Finland344 Posts
September 25 2013 12:07 GMT
#20
This is awesome, thanks Fuzer!
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
September 25 2013 13:07 GMT
#21
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden
Ukraine
Russia
USA
Canada
Germany
China

Some of the countries Finland compete with for the remaining three to four spots in the top 10:
Netherlands
Spain
Poland
Finland
France
Denmark
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
September 25 2013 13:08 GMT
#22
On September 25 2013 22:07 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden

Some of the countries compete with for the remaining spots in the top 10:
Rest


Fixed
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
September 25 2013 13:13 GMT
#23
Wicked. I love the sound of Finnish and Fuzer is pretty fun to listen to (or watch), so I may tune into the Finnish cast even without understanding it.
Hopefully I'll see some cool Welmu, Naama and Elfitaja games.
ZerO - FantaSy - Calm - Nal_rA - Jaedong - NaDa - EffOrt - Bisu - by.hero - StarDust - Welmu - Nerchio - Supernova - Solar - Squirtle - LosirA - Grubby - IntoTheRainbow - Golden... ~~~ Incredible Miracle and Woongjin Stars 화이팅!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 25 2013 13:15 GMT
#24
On September 25 2013 22:07 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden
Ukraine
Russia
USA
Canada
Germany
China

Some of the countries Finland compete with for the remaining three to four spots in the top 10:
Netherlands
Spain
Poland
Finland
France
Denmark

When you do list please say why. Name of players maybe?

Korea: agree
Sweden: agree
Ukraine: Used to be better 2010-2012 but pretty even now.
Russia. Definetely better? Nah...but better than Finland agree.
USA: competely disagree. Name me players pls!
Canada: Land of one player; Scarlett. HuK is errmm...good
Germany: agree
China: agree.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 13:18:36
September 25 2013 13:17 GMT
#25
On September 25 2013 22:13 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Wicked. I love the sound of Finnish and Fuzer is pretty fun to listen to (or watch), so I may tune into the Finnish cast even without understanding it.
Hopefully I'll see some cool Welmu, Naama and Elfitaja games.

There will be english stream. Our american-finnish golden boy Yosu (Josu) will cast also.

elfittaja (elfittäjä) *
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 13:38:17
September 25 2013 13:37 GMT
#26
On September 25 2013 22:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 22:07 Grovbolle wrote:
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden
Ukraine
Russia
USA
Canada
Germany
China

Some of the countries Finland compete with for the remaining three to four spots in the top 10:
Netherlands
Spain
Poland
Finland
France
Denmark

When you do list please say why. Name of players maybe?

Korea: agree
Sweden: agree
Ukraine: Used to be better 2010-2012 but pretty even now.
Russia. Definetely better? Nah...but better than Finland agree.
USA: competely disagree. Name me players pls!
Canada: Land of one player; Scarlett. HuK is errmm...good
Germany: agree
China: agree.

I still believe Ukraine is better, just the sheer amount of good players like Bly, Dimaga, Strelok and HappyZerg.
Canada: Scarlett and HuK (obviously) have done well in the past, but players like Masa, Kane and Hendralisk are pretty good as well.
USA: I guess it is more rooted in the past, although new players like goswser, suppy, minigun, puck as well as the return of qxc also means you could make the case for USA>Finland.

Basically I was just pointing out that "Definitely top 10 country" is a bit of an overexaggeration.

Even if we revise my list, Korea, Sweden, China, Germany are definitely better, with countries like Russia and Ukraine being a maybe for some, a sure thing for others. Still leave Finland in a pool with a lot of strong countries like Netherlands, Spain, Poland, France, Denmark, USA and Canada from which only 4-5 can be top 10.

Finland has showcased elfi, Welmu, Naama, Fuzer, Protosser and Satiini over the last couple of years. And currently only elfi/Welmu are making a splash with Serral being an up and comer (or so I have been told). I don't want to shit on your announcement, it just bothered me with the "Def top 10 sc2 country".

GL HF to all participants
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 25 2013 14:40 GMT
#27
Kas not on Grovbolles list of good Ukraine players. That kinda hurts, you know. And Sweden lives on its old merits.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
September 25 2013 15:38 GMT
#28
On September 25 2013 23:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Kas not on Grovbolles list of good Ukraine players. That kinda hurts, you know. And Sweden lives on its old merits.


Yeah, today Sweden is only as good as NaNi and SjoW are on that day. Gone are the days when Swedes were number one in Europe, or even in the world outside Korea.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
September 26 2013 08:34 GMT
#29
On September 25 2013 23:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Kas not on Grovbolles list of good Ukraine players. That kinda hurts, you know. And Sweden lives on its old merits.

Fuck, I knew I was missing someone. Obviously Kas as well.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 09:02:08
September 26 2013 09:00 GMT
#30
On September 26 2013 00:38 Oukka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 23:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Kas not on Grovbolles list of good Ukraine players. That kinda hurts, you know. And Sweden lives on its old merits.


Yeah, today Sweden is only as good as NaNi and SjoW are on that day. Gone are the days when Swedes were number one in Europe, or even in the world outside Korea.


Were still like top 5

Finland feels like an 8th right now.

Anyway as I've already written in this thread I'm looking forward to see this
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 11:32:41
September 26 2013 11:31 GMT
#31
On September 25 2013 22:07 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden
Ukraine
Russia
USA
Canada
Germany
China

Some of the countries Finland compete with for the remaining three to four spots in the top 10:
Netherlands
Spain
Poland
Finland
France
Denmark


I was thinking about posting a similar list, but I thought since it would´nt be about the league, I´d rather not, but since the discussion has begun at this point:
[It has gotten longer than I expected, thus the spoiler]
+ Show Spoiler +
Korea: No discussion here I hope. Stonger than Finland (#1)

Sweden: Still clear Nr.2 for me, having the current best foreigner and a very large amout of dangerous guys (Sase, ThorZaIN, SortOf, Sjow, hOpe, Bischu, vipro) and than after that another group of players only shortly behind (Rest of property gamiong, Morow, Starnan) Stronger than Finland (#2)

Ukraine: As much, as it hurts me to say, but the Ukraine is not as dominant as in the past anymore. White-Ra is´nt his former self anymore, Fraer is gone, DIMAGA is incosistent (just look at his DH group), Kas is good, but suffers a lot from nerve issues, Strelok and Bly droped to Code B and Happyzerg seems to be the only newcomer. In theory, just looking at the names, the Ukraine is monstruos, but since all of them have a tendency to underperform lately, I can´t really rate them above Finland anymore.

Russia: Hard to judge. They have Happy and Titan, who can both play extremely well or end up dissappointing early. Then there is Livezerg, Brat_OK, sLivko, Revolver, but I can´t think of too many others either (counting pro7ect as korean). I´d say about even.

USA: Hard to judge; elfi and Welmu are probably stronger than every US player (Goswser comes close, though), but after that the US gets really big, just because of the amout of players they have (Suppy, puck, Minigun, Vibe, neeb, state, Illusion, qxc), while Finland has Protosser, Naama, Serral, Satiini (He still exists and beats players with a bigger name in ZOTAC and stuff, although he does´nt play the big stuff anymore), Jagelius, retired Fuzer... It i hard to judge, but I still give a small edge to Finland here, because of their stronger top players.

Canada: Same as in the US, it is hard to judge, because there is not that much intercontinental play happening. I´d say, the first 4 places are pretty clear (Scarlett>Elfi/Welmu>HuK) and after that, there is not much to compare. Canada has a bunch of known players. Canadas follow-up (Hendralisk, Kane, Jig, desrow, Drunkenboi) does seem weaker than the finnish players, I listed above; I think, I would at least rate Naama/Protosser/Fuzer above them, but that is not based on much. All in all, I´d say, it is about even.

Germany: I´ll say it now; I´m probably biased here, but I think Germany has a really strong SC2 playing roster. Hasu is probably still on top and at about the same level as the finnish tosses, with TLO, Heromarine and Showtime coming close behing. Socke is not in his best shape atm, but still pretty good, Krass was in premier league and Delphi, Hanfy and Monty were all pretty close to qualification this season. Also it still has it´s EPS regulars in GoOdy, Tarra, Acro and co. and a bunch of other notables, such as kaup, Knowme, Darkhydra, Saltthewound... I think, Germany is stronger than Finland (#3)

China: I don´t know that much about the chinese scene, but their current invasion of WCS NA and the results of iG in ATC are pretty much telling the story: Top, Macsed, Jim, XY, Comm , Xigua are all pretty good. I tink, if China gets someone on Naniwa-level, they might become the biggest challenger for sweden for second place. Stronger than Finland. (#4)

Shorter Thoughts on the other ones:

Netherlands: With Ret´s struggeling, I would not put them above Finland atm. They still have Grubby/Harstem/uThermal/Jona, but I don´t think, that that is enough, given Finlands 2 top-P´s and their wide field of players.

Spain: To dependet on Duran². I don´t think, the strengh on an entire country should be measured on 2 players. Finland > Spain.

Poland: Possibly up there. Nerchio is in form, MaNa is currently not. Poland has a solid back up with paranOid, Diestar, Tefel, DaNa, uzer. About even.

France: Dayshi does not really get the results everyone expects from him. Since he and ToD are the only real international high level players in France (with Neoangel, Firecake a bit behind), I would put Finland ahead of them.

Denmark/Norway: Similar problem to Spain, to dependent on their top 2 (Babyknight, Bunny / TargA, Snute). Denmark is on it´s way to fix this (with most notably Storm and pink goind deep in online brackets), it is not enough for me.


So, in conclusion: I think, that Finland very likely is a top 8 country at the moment. South Korea, Sweden, China and Germany are the only one, I would definitly agree on being stronger than Finland, with Canada, Russia, and Poland at the same level. Top 10 would get filled up by 2 of USA, Ukraine and France.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 26 2013 13:18 GMT
#32
On September 26 2013 20:31 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 22:07 Grovbolle wrote:
On September 23 2013 02:29 Master of DalK wrote:
Finland is def top 10 sc2 country. Glad they'll get to show it more~ :D


Countries that are definitely better than Finland:
Korea
Sweden
Ukraine
Russia
USA
Canada
Germany
China

Some of the countries Finland compete with for the remaining three to four spots in the top 10:
Netherlands
Spain
Poland
Finland
France
Denmark


I was thinking about posting a similar list, but I thought since it would´nt be about the league, I´d rather not, but since the discussion has begun at this point:
[It has gotten longer than I expected, thus the spoiler]
+ Show Spoiler +
Korea: No discussion here I hope. Stonger than Finland (#1)

Sweden: Still clear Nr.2 for me, having the current best foreigner and a very large amout of dangerous guys (Sase, ThorZaIN, SortOf, Sjow, hOpe, Bischu, vipro) and than after that another group of players only shortly behind (Rest of property gamiong, Morow, Starnan) Stronger than Finland (#2)

Ukraine: As much, as it hurts me to say, but the Ukraine is not as dominant as in the past anymore. White-Ra is´nt his former self anymore, Fraer is gone, DIMAGA is incosistent (just look at his DH group), Kas is good, but suffers a lot from nerve issues, Strelok and Bly droped to Code B and Happyzerg seems to be the only newcomer. In theory, just looking at the names, the Ukraine is monstruos, but since all of them have a tendency to underperform lately, I can´t really rate them above Finland anymore.

Russia: Hard to judge. They have Happy and Titan, who can both play extremely well or end up dissappointing early. Then there is Livezerg, Brat_OK, sLivko, Revolver, but I can´t think of too many others either (counting pro7ect as korean). I´d say about even.

USA: Hard to judge; elfi and Welmu are probably stronger than every US player (Goswser comes close, though), but after that the US gets really big, just because of the amout of players they have (Suppy, puck, Minigun, Vibe, neeb, state, Illusion, qxc), while Finland has Protosser, Naama, Serral, Satiini (He still exists and beats players with a bigger name in ZOTAC and stuff, although he does´nt play the big stuff anymore), Jagelius, retired Fuzer... It i hard to judge, but I still give a small edge to Finland here, because of their stronger top players.

Canada: Same as in the US, it is hard to judge, because there is not that much intercontinental play happening. I´d say, the first 4 places are pretty clear (Scarlett>Elfi/Welmu>HuK) and after that, there is not much to compare. Canada has a bunch of known players. Canadas follow-up (Hendralisk, Kane, Jig, desrow, Drunkenboi) does seem weaker than the finnish players, I listed above; I think, I would at least rate Naama/Protosser/Fuzer above them, but that is not based on much. All in all, I´d say, it is about even.

Germany: I´ll say it now; I´m probably biased here, but I think Germany has a really strong SC2 playing roster. Hasu is probably still on top and at about the same level as the finnish tosses, with TLO, Heromarine and Showtime coming close behing. Socke is not in his best shape atm, but still pretty good, Krass was in premier league and Delphi, Hanfy and Monty were all pretty close to qualification this season. Also it still has it´s EPS regulars in GoOdy, Tarra, Acro and co. and a bunch of other notables, such as kaup, Knowme, Darkhydra, Saltthewound... I think, Germany is stronger than Finland (#3)

China: I don´t know that much about the chinese scene, but their current invasion of WCS NA and the results of iG in ATC are pretty much telling the story: Top, Macsed, Jim, XY, Comm , Xigua are all pretty good. I tink, if China gets someone on Naniwa-level, they might become the biggest challenger for sweden for second place. Stronger than Finland. (#4)

Shorter Thoughts on the other ones:

Netherlands: With Ret´s struggeling, I would not put them above Finland atm. They still have Grubby/Harstem/uThermal/Jona, but I don´t think, that that is enough, given Finlands 2 top-P´s and their wide field of players.

Spain: To dependet on Duran². I don´t think, the strengh on an entire country should be measured on 2 players. Finland > Spain.

Poland: Possibly up there. Nerchio is in form, MaNa is currently not. Poland has a solid back up with paranOid, Diestar, Tefel, DaNa, uzer. About even.

France: Dayshi does not really get the results everyone expects from him. Since he and ToD are the only real international high level players in France (with Neoangel, Firecake a bit behind), I would put Finland ahead of them.

Denmark/Norway: Similar problem to Spain, to dependent on their top 2 (Babyknight, Bunny / TargA, Snute). Denmark is on it´s way to fix this (with most notably Storm and pink goind deep in online brackets), it is not enough for me.


So, in conclusion: I think, that Finland very likely is a top 8 country at the moment. South Korea, Sweden, China and Germany are the only one, I would definitly agree on being stronger than Finland, with Canada, Russia, and Poland at the same level. Top 10 would get filled up by 2 of USA, Ukraine and France.

This was very well written. I almost totaly agree with you
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
September 26 2013 13:56 GMT
#33
Props to Fuzer for organizing this!

OT: I wish some organization would pull off NationsCup with few players from each nation to duke it out for the "Best foreigner country", then we would have less speculation! :D
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
September 26 2013 14:11 GMT
#34
On September 26 2013 22:56 nukkuj wrote:
Props to Fuzer for organizing this!

OT: I wish some organization would pull off NationsCup with few players from each nation to duke it out for the "Best foreigner country", then we would have less speculation! :D


ESL tried to do in last year, but SK, USA, Canada, Ukraine (who was still monstruos at that time) did pull out. Poland (With an in-form MaNa) won that over Germany in the finals, Finland made the Semis.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
September 26 2013 18:06 GMT
#35
On September 25 2013 22:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 22:13 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Wicked. I love the sound of Finnish and Fuzer is pretty fun to listen to (or watch), so I may tune into the Finnish cast even without understanding it.
Hopefully I'll see some cool Welmu, Naama and Elfitaja games.

There will be english stream. Our american-finnish golden boy Yosu (Josu) will cast also.

elfittaja (elfittäjä) *

And I'm really looking forward to it! :D

On September 26 2013 23:11 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 22:56 nukkuj wrote:
Props to Fuzer for organizing this!

OT: I wish some organization would pull off NationsCup with few players from each nation to duke it out for the "Best foreigner country", then we would have less speculation! :D


ESL tried to do in last year, but SK, USA, Canada, Ukraine (who was still monstruos at that time) did pull out. Poland (With an in-form MaNa) won that over Germany in the finals, Finland made the Semis.

IIRC the playoffs took something like 6 months to complete because of scheduling issues between each individual player. The finals were eventually broadcasted from replay - it'll probably be a long time before someone tries it again
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
September 26 2013 19:00 GMT
#36
On September 27 2013 03:06 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 22:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On September 25 2013 22:13 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Wicked. I love the sound of Finnish and Fuzer is pretty fun to listen to (or watch), so I may tune into the Finnish cast even without understanding it.
Hopefully I'll see some cool Welmu, Naama and Elfitaja games.

There will be english stream. Our american-finnish golden boy Yosu (Josu) will cast also.

elfittaja (elfittäjä) *

And I'm really looking forward to it! :D

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 23:11 Xoronius wrote:
On September 26 2013 22:56 nukkuj wrote:
Props to Fuzer for organizing this!

OT: I wish some organization would pull off NationsCup with few players from each nation to duke it out for the "Best foreigner country", then we would have less speculation! :D


ESL tried to do in last year, but SK, USA, Canada, Ukraine (who was still monstruos at that time) did pull out. Poland (With an in-form MaNa) won that over Germany in the finals, Finland made the Semis.

IIRC the playoffs took something like 6 months to complete because of scheduling issues between each individual player. The finals were eventually broadcasted from replay - it'll probably be a long time before someone tries it again


Yes, it was´nt well organized, no schedule, no hype, AFAIK no prize-pool. Would be awesome to have a country-league, but it is probably really hard to pull off.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 14:24:53
October 09 2013 11:46 GMT
#37
Here's an update for English speakers :D

The 8 7 invited players are:

(P)elfi - Samuli Sihvonen
(P)Welmu - Vesa Hovinen
(P)Jagelius - Jaakko Koski
(Z)Protosser - Jonne Sotala
(Z)Serral - Joona Sotala
PuPu - Benjamin Puha
(T)Naama - Santeri Lahtinen

The 8 9 qualified players are:

(P)MeteoRain - Akash Singh
(P)Ouga - Ville Wallin
(P)Aktivisti - Saku Määttä
(Z)Wibang - Niko Kukkamäki
(Z)ZhuGeLiang - Wen Lei Dai
(T)Satiini - Juha-Matti Bäckström
Calt - Eetu Laustela
(T)Tulimeri - Petteri Pori
Ike - Ismo Kinnunen

Group A - Wed. 9.10 @ 19:00 EET + Show Spoiler +
(P)elfi
PuPu
(P)MeteoRain
Calt

Group B - Tue. 16.10 @ 1800 EET + Show Spoiler +
(P)Welmu
(T)Satiini
(Z)Wibang
Ike

Group C - Thur. 24.10 @ 1800 EET + Show Spoiler +
(Z)Serral
(T)Naama
(P)Ouga
(T)Tulimeri

Group D - Thur. 31.10 @ 1800 EET + Show Spoiler +
(Z)Protosser
(P)Jagelius
(P)Aktivisti
(Z)ZhuGeLiang


Streams will be in Finnish at twitch.tv/fuzer fi
and in English at twitch.tv/y0su us

edit (groups B and C switched)
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
October 09 2013 12:00 GMT
#38
TULIMERI FIGHTING!
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Requiem-
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay162 Posts
October 09 2013 12:06 GMT
#39
SO MANY TERRANS woooooooooooooooooooooooo. On topic: GOGOG Naama!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sup Son
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
October 09 2013 12:10 GMT
#40
It is starting today already?? cool! I haven't seen PuPu playing ever but since he was invited I guess he is good Looking forward to this!
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
October 09 2013 12:49 GMT
#41
I think things like this are exactly what's needed to grow sc2. I kind of wish it was more than a single group stage followed by playoffs... Maybe larger groups (2 groups of 8) that lead to a second similar group stage (swap half the groups) and then overall record leading to a small playoff. Something to make it feel more like a "liiga" :D

and/or if it's something that continues (season 2 etc) the top (or top 2) players are forced to off race - welmu has some pretty good from what I've heard
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
October 09 2013 12:51 GMT
#42
how come Satiini had to qualify and wasn't invited? He used to be a pretty big name!
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
October 09 2013 12:55 GMT
#43
On October 09 2013 21:51 mikkmagro wrote:
how come Satiini had to qualify and wasn't invited? He used to be a pretty big name!

I heard Fuzer mention that someone declined an invitation but then chose to (and did) qualify anyway... My assumption is that he was referring to Satiini...
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 13:00:56
October 09 2013 12:58 GMT
#44
On October 09 2013 21:55 DusTerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 21:51 mikkmagro wrote:
how come Satiini had to qualify and wasn't invited? He used to be a pretty big name!

I heard Fuzer mention that someone declined an invitation but then chose to (and did) qualify anyway... My assumption is that he was referring to Satiini...


Nope. Wasn't Satiini.
To be honest I didn't know Satiini was still playing, thought he retired 4 months ago... But doesn't make too big difference .
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
October 09 2013 17:42 GMT
#45
Wtf mang PUPU FIGHTING!
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 13:10:16
October 15 2013 14:28 GMT
#46
Group B - Tue. 16.10 @ 1800 EET
(P)Welmu vs IKE
and
(T)Satiini vs (Z)Wibang

Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi
Sienionelain
Profile Joined October 2011
33 Posts
October 15 2013 14:32 GMT
#47
Going to be awesome!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
October 15 2013 15:34 GMT
#48
This is true Finnish starcraft, 1 base vs 1 base !
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
October 15 2013 16:18 GMT
#49
Satiini loading SCVs in bunkers like a pro.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:54:57
October 15 2013 16:22 GMT
#50
wow impressed with satiini!

but welmu too strong

but he manages to take 2nd!

Welmu and Satiini advance from B!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 14:22:18
October 24 2013 13:09 GMT
#51
Group C - Thur. 24.10 @ 1800 EET
(Z)Serral vs Tulimeri
and
(T)Naama vs (P)Ouga

Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1197 Posts
October 24 2013 13:46 GMT
#52
On October 24 2013 22:09 y0su wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Group C - Thur. 24.10 @ 1800 EET
(Z)Serral vs Tuulimeri
and
(T)Naama vs (P)Ouga

Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi

It's actually Tulimeri, not Tuulimeri. Former means Fire sea, and the latter Wind sea.
starcraft2.fi
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
October 24 2013 13:53 GMT
#53
Nice to see Naama is still around.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
October 24 2013 14:23 GMT
#54
On October 24 2013 22:46 Azhrak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 22:09 y0su wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Group C - Thur. 24.10 @ 1800 EET
(Z)Serral vs Tuulimeri
and
(T)Naama vs (P)Ouga

Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi

It's actually Tulimeri, not Tuulimeri. Former means Fire sea, and the latter Wind sea.

/facepalm! (although the later "makes more sense") :D
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 24 2013 16:16 GMT
#55
Five carriers at 16 minutes. Ouga is quite insane. :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
October 24 2013 16:20 GMT
#56
Hahaha that mega greedy carrier build against meching naama. Ouga 1-1 Naama
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 16:32:56
October 31 2013 16:20 GMT
#57
Group D - Thur. 31.10 @ 1800 EET
(P)Aktivisti vs (Z)Protosser
and
(P)Jagelius vs (Z)ZhuGeLiang


Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi

y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 12 2013 11:07 GMT
#58
Some SICK quarter finals being played tonight at 1700 CET!

QF#1 (T)Satiini vs (P)Welmu

QF#2 (P)Elfi vs (Z)Protosser


Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi


NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:13:53
November 12 2013 13:13 GMT
#59
Serral fighting :D I like the Finish player pool ^^
Currently working with Team Acer CSGO | @AcerNervO
kiLen
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland97 Posts
November 12 2013 13:24 GMT
#60
Can you participate if you live on Aland Islands? I would love to join and play in this but im not sure if you only take people from Main land Finland?
LotV HyPe
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 12 2013 14:40 GMT
#61
On November 12 2013 22:24 kiLen wrote:
Can you participate if you live on Aland Islands? I would love to join and play in this but im not sure if you only take people from Main land Finland?

Last time I checked Åland was part of Finland so I am 99,9% sure that you can participate. But you have to wate for next season (if we get new season) to try quali for this.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
November 12 2013 16:00 GMT
#62
On November 12 2013 22:13 NerdFace wrote:
Serral fighting :D I like the Finish player pool ^^

He's gonna be killing tomorrow :D
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
November 12 2013 16:21 GMT
#63
Whoa Satiini winning Welmu with mech O_O
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
November 12 2013 16:33 GMT
#64
Wow, casting is pretty good right now. Fuzer stepped up a lot since I've last seen him, or at least is more sober. And elfi is pretty good as well :p
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
November 12 2013 16:48 GMT
#65
It feels so good to watch tanks melt. : D
Cogito, ergo toss.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:01:34
November 12 2013 16:51 GMT
#66
Shouldn't Y0su's stream also be listed in the event calendar? Might haul in those non-finnish viewers (apart from me)!

Edit: Now it is! Excellent!
Cogito, ergo toss.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 12 2013 17:07 GMT
#67
On November 13 2013 01:51 Zackeva wrote:
Shouldn't Y0su's stream also be listed in the event calendar? Might haul in those non-finnish viewers (apart from me)!

Edit: Now it is! Excellent!

yeah looks like my stream looked offline for a bit so TL bumped it
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:29:46
November 12 2013 17:08 GMT
#68
On November 13 2013 02:07 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 01:51 Zackeva wrote:
Shouldn't Y0su's stream also be listed in the event calendar? Might haul in those non-finnish viewers (apart from me)!

Edit: Now it is! Excellent!

yeah looks like my stream looked offline for a bit so TL bumped it


TL saving e-sports : D

Cogito, ergo toss.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 12 2013 17:16 GMT
#69
Fuzer level production
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Sepi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:25:35
November 12 2013 17:24 GMT
#70
On November 13 2013 01:21 Luolis wrote:
Whoa Satiini winning Welmu with mech O_O

Wow, what? :D
♞live like a windrammer as you fuck ♞
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 12 2013 17:27 GMT
#71
First time I have been able to watch on medium without lag since they change it. Fuzer magic or did twitch find the "on" button on their Swedish servers?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
November 12 2013 17:35 GMT
#72
On November 13 2013 02:27 AlternativeEgo wrote:
First time I have been able to watch on medium without lag since they change it. Fuzer magic or did twitch find the "on" button on their Swedish servers?

maybe it's finally fixed...

LOL
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
November 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#73
Elfi forcefields!!
Cogito, ergo toss.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 12 2013 18:11 GMT
#74
On November 13 2013 02:27 AlternativeEgo wrote:
First time I have been able to watch on medium without lag since they change it. Fuzer magic or did twitch find the "on" button on their Swedish servers?

I was watching with source good but now I have to use suddenly medium... damn you twitch!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 13 2013 10:32 GMT
#75
Last quarter finals being played tonight at 1700 CET!

QF#3 (Z)Serral vs Pupu

QF#4 (P)Ouga vs (P)Jagelius


Casting in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi

DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
November 13 2013 15:40 GMT
#76
So we're guaranteed to have 3 protoss and 1 zerg in the final 4... I think Welmu > Serral in the finals (on the 23rd iirc?)
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 13 2013 17:00 GMT
#77
Serral and Ouga gogo
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 13 2013 19:11 GMT
#78
[image loading]

Winning picture :D

(Fuzer give mousepads)
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 13 2013 19:14 GMT
#79
More arms and less left ear, I'll say
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 15:03:44
November 23 2013 15:00 GMT
#80
If you're able to make it past TheBloodyDwarf's picture we've got our final day upon us!

Four of our original 16 are still fighting!

(P)elfi
(P)Ouga
(Z)Serral
(P)Welmu

Our first Semi-final will take place between Elfi and Welmu. Both players are well known for their PvP so this match could be quite entertaining. According to Aligulac.com the players have faced each other a surprisingly low seven times in a competitive setting in SC2!! Considering both players compete in a lot of the same LANs and online tournaments I was shocked to see that the last competitive meeting was at ASUS ROG last summer where Elfi won a close 3-2 series in the second day of group play. The only other time the players faced each other in HotS was a 2-0 win for Welmu in the Starcraft2.fi 3 year anniversary tournament back in May.

+ Show Spoiler [Predictions] +
+ Show Spoiler [Aligulac] +
    (1748) Welmu  0-0  elfi (1555)     
---------------------------------------
20.08% 3-0 0-3 7.12%
24.97% 3-1 1-3 12.50%
20.69% 3-2 2-3 14.64%
---------------------------------------
65.74% 34.26%

Median outcome: Welmu 3-2 elfi

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

+ Show Spoiler [my_prediction] +
Elfi 3 - 2 Welmu. Ask me to start justifying why and I'll only come up with reasons why Welmu will win, but my gut stays with Elfi in a close series.


On the other side of the bracket we have the up and coming and current "Finnish LAN Champion" (3 - 2 over Elfi at Insomnia XV) and only non-protoss player Serral. He is facing the relatively unknown Janitor Ouga! The only competitive meeting between these two players was just last month in the SSCLiiga group stages where Serral took a convincing 2 - 0 win.

+ Show Spoiler [Predictions] +
+ Show Spoiler [Aligulac] +
    (1234) Serral  0-0  Ouga (816)       
-----------------------------------------
30.77% 3-0 0-3 3.43%
29.99% 3-1 1-3 6.95%
19.49% 3-2 2-3 9.38%
-----------------------------------------
80.25% 19.75%

Median outcome: Serral 3-1 Ouga

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

+ Show Spoiler [my_prediction] +
Serral 3 - 0 Ouga. Although ZvP is not Serral's best match-up it's been moving up consistently and is the only match up he's had to practice. Ouga has a chance if he has something crazy planned and Serral overlooks him.


Casting will be in English by y0su us
and in Finnish by Fuzer fi


+ Show Spoiler [overall_predictions] +
                  Win    Top 2    Top 4    
-------------------------------------------
Welmu 51.10% 14.64% 34.26%
elfi 26.74% 7.53% 65.74%
Serral 21.13% 59.11% 19.75%
Ouga 1.04% 18.72% 80.25%
Median Outcome Bracket
+ Show Spoiler +
      Serral 3 ┐ 
├────── Serral 2* ┐
Ouga 1 ┘ │
├─ Welmu
elfi 2 ┐ │
├─────── Welmu 4* ┘
Welmu 3 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.*reran the final prediction in aligulac as it's a bo7*


AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 23 2013 15:19 GMT
#81
I would like to agree with Aligulac but I don't know how time consuming school has been for Welmu, and elfi is in good form. Will be interesting to see who Serral will meet in the finals.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
November 23 2013 15:28 GMT
#82
Yeah, this is one of the first time's they've actually had time to prepare for each other... Elfi's been streaming a lot so that could play into things too. I'm at least hyped for the match!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 16:06 GMT
#83
HYPEHYPE
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 16:06 GMT
#84
TODAY WE WILL SEE WHO IS THE BEST FOREIGN PVP PLAYER
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 23 2013 16:24 GMT
#85
Haha, did elfi's probes kill two lazor towers? :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 16:24 GMT
#86
On November 24 2013 01:24 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Haha, did elfi's probes kill two lazor towers? :D

yes :D

Sadly elfi pulled probes too late :/
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 16:43 GMT
#87
1-1 !
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
November 23 2013 16:44 GMT
#88
On November 24 2013 01:43 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
1-1 !

Pretty nice game..
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 18:12 GMT
#89
Ence team kill finals ! elfi vs serral!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 23 2013 18:12 GMT
#90
The finals I predicted are here!! Elfi vs Serral BO7!!! :D
    (1234) Serral  0-0  elfi (1553)      
-----------------------------------------
1.72% 4-0 0-4 16.57%
4.38% 4-1 1-4 23.99%
6.99% 4-2 2-4 21.71%
8.92% 4-3 3-4 15.72%
-----------------------------------------
22.01% 77.99%

Median outcome: Serral 2-4 elfi

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
sounds about right
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 18:23 GMT
#91
I think Serral will win, I want elfi to win
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 20:01 GMT
#92
Thsese matches... first 3 times basetrade in same map. Then 1base void/colo/zealot/sentry/stalker all in vs 2 base hive :DD
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 23 2013 20:40 GMT
#93
Serral wins and first thing that Fuzer does is shouting "YES YES YES I WON HAHAH I WON" :DDD
Fuzer did bet with elfi who is going to win XD
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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