With Intel Extreme Masters New York coming up in early October, it's time for the participants to be determined. Eight players will have the chance to qualify online again!
Two of the best players from Europe and Africa will qualify for New York. You must advance through 2 stages to do so. See how below.
Restrictions
You must be located in Europe or Africa at the time of either Stage 1 or Stage 2 to be eligible to compete in the qualifiers.
You must be at least 16 years of age by October 10th 2013 ( the date of the LAN event)
Hotel and flight cost are paid for in full by ESL.
Be well aware that the USA might require an up to date visa to enter the country.
Best of 3 in all rounds. Once the semi-finals round is reached the matches end, and the 4 players then move to stage #2.
A map veto (removal and pick) system is used. The high seeded player (seeds can be found at round 1 on the grid page) decides who starts. Players take it in turn removing maps until only one remains in a best of 1 or until only 3 maps remain in a best of 3. Then each player picks a map. Maps are played in order they are picked. The remaining map is played last.
On September 01 2013 04:47 Undead1993 wrote: samayan really doing work in this qualifier, it's been a while since i heard something about him. very surprising
On September 01 2013 04:47 Undead1993 wrote: samayan really doing work in this qualifier, it's been a while since i heard something about him. very surprising
On September 01 2013 23:37 Heartland wrote: Wow. Luci just throwing away so much supply as the marines tried to get out and didn't fire
but it's only marines. but hte big thing here is that he lost his ability to pressure babyk, now the toss can easily get everything he wants double upgrades charge storm. luci definetely not in a good position
On September 01 2013 23:37 Heartland wrote: Wow. Luci just throwing away so much supply as the marines tried to get out and didn't fire
but it's only marines. but hte big thing here is that he lost his ability to pressure babyk, now the toss can easily get everything he wants double upgrades charge storm. luci definetely not in a good position
On September 01 2013 23:37 Heartland wrote: Wow. Luci just throwing away so much supply as the marines tried to get out and didn't fire
but it's only marines. but hte big thing here is that he lost his ability to pressure babyk, now the toss can easily get everything he wants double upgrades charge storm. luci definetely not in a good position
Yeah, absolutely.
doesn't seem to matter in the end :D really bad ht control by babyknight
will never be able to play like Lucifron, so clumped all the time but he just gets rid of the AoE before it can hit him. But way to risky for my taste and my bad macro. Haha the nuke sound.
shield upgrades a bit late, could have won Babyknight the game already. But some people like fighting against full upgrades with no full upgrades, despite having the resources.
On September 02 2013 00:05 Drake wrote: does they ddos luci now or what ?...
sometimes i not feel bad for wanting to KILL some people
...
what ? should i ? really ? you not think world would be a better place without such guys ? its not like i wanna do it ^^ i just not feel bad for feel it
i am so frustrated ... isnt there a possibility to find out who does that ? then someone in that country drive there and say "hello" to them ? like with the fists if you know what i mean i know i know violence is bad but at the moment i really feel that way sry if that offense someone
On September 02 2013 00:27 Seiniyta wrote: I didn't watch it, what happened in game 2?
oracle 3 gate by sd i believe, nexus and 3 gate robo by nani. and nani lost 4 probes and 2 zealots and had a second nexus when sd had lost 4 probes 4 stalkers and didn't have his natural taken. and then in the fight nani curshed him with 1 immortal and some stalkers
On September 02 2013 00:27 Seiniyta wrote: I didn't watch it, what happened in game 2?
Nani went 1gate expand into 3gate robo while Stardust went 1gate stargate into 3gate off 1 base, made 2 oracles, but Nani was on top of the defense with stalkers so only got like 3 kills. Then Naniwa moved out aggresively and sniped a few stalkers and a pylon and was able to move in for the win in Stardust's base with a bunch of stalkers and an immortal while Stardust's 5 stalkers were out of position.
On September 02 2013 00:36 messioso wrote: LucifroN has forfeited due to the internet issues. TLO will proceeed to face the loser of Grubby vs Snute in the lower bracket.
On September 02 2013 00:36 messioso wrote: LucifroN has forfeited due to the internet issues. TLO will proceeed to face the loser of Grubby vs Snute in the lower bracket.
On September 02 2013 00:36 messioso wrote: LucifroN has forfeited due to the internet issues. TLO will proceeed to face the loser of Grubby vs Snute in the lower bracket.
On September 02 2013 00:36 messioso wrote: LucifroN has forfeited due to the internet issues. TLO will proceeed to face the loser of Grubby vs Snute in the lower bracket.
Sad day for e-sports. Human race, I'm ashamed once again.
I am tired of people no scouting and all-ining every game, I don't understand how can you enjoy players like that. I tell things straight you don't have to like it, but that playstyle is just disgusting
On September 02 2013 00:53 SneX wrote: No english stream?
DDoS all around. It's a good chance to give ZEDD (Polish stream, http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2) a try. His overlay and football style analysis are worth it.
Why does it appear two streams are down? Fuzer is totally down (almost 1k viewers somehow) and every time I go to the Polish stream, it's just a cam of this Zedd fellow.
Son Suk hee @90Stardust 1m someone please teach about manner to nerchio how he have amazing manner i respect his game skills but he's manner is
Son Suk hee @90Stardust 1m so.. bad like when he lost to korean said i will buy ticket for you go korea like that how its progamer? please do like progamer if ur real
On September 02 2013 00:59 pigmanbear wrote: Why does it appear two streams are down? Fuzer is totally down (almost 1k viewers somehow) and every time I go to the Polish stream, it's just a cam of this Zedd fellow.
On September 02 2013 00:59 pigmanbear wrote: Why does it appear two streams are down? Fuzer is totally down (almost 1k viewers somehow) and every time I go to the Polish stream, it's just a cam of this Zedd fellow.
Fuzer is waiting for the next match of Welmu Polish aint down but all his matches are pretty fast (naniwa srardust and just now nerchio stardust) Pughy is getting ddos/disconnection and so is the match snute/grubby I think
Every time I start to feel bad because protoss seems to do a little better than it should, it's people like Nerchio who remind me why I shouldn't care.
On September 02 2013 00:53 SneX wrote: No english stream?
DDoS all around. It's a good chance to give ZEDD (Polish stream, http://www.twitch.tv/esl_poland2) a try. His overlay and football style analysis are worth it.
That sucks. Hmm, I dont understand polish lol. Gonna watch some soccer instead. Will be back later to watch NaNi play
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
He got soft ^_^ He keeps acting nicer and nicer every time I see him (tho that doesn't seem to stop people from hating on him, and I doubt it ever will. As a Pole and his fan I feel that most of those "prick" and "twat" are undeserved, but I am obviously biased).
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
On September 02 2013 01:06 Gudge wrote: nerchio on twitter: "@90Stardust We can exchange stuff. You will teach me manners I will teach you how to scout and play other builds than 8 gate " :S
That's hilarious.
I don't get why everyone gets so upset over some BM. It's not really that offensive. I think it spices things up a lot.
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
He got soft ^_^ He keeps acting nicer and nicer every time I see him (tho that doesn't seem to stop people from hating on him, and I doubt it ever will. As a Pole and his fan I feel that most of those "prick" and "twat" are undeserved, but I am obviously biased).
every time i think he's grown up, something like today happens
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
Except naniwa tends to behave ok when he wins, you can see that he just hates to lose and that's what makes him react like a child. Win or lose, Nerchio is still the same.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
The comparisions are made because the line "I don't like BM players with little results."; which makes them very relevant, because they show, Nerchio has a lot of results.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
The comparisions are made because the line "I don't like BM players with little results."; which makes them very relevant, because they show, Nerchio has a lot of results.
Except that his results are puny compared to what StarDust has done in the short time StarDust has been active. Nerchio should aspire to place as well as StarDust does, not BM him.
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
He got soft ^_^ He keeps acting nicer and nicer every time I see him (tho that doesn't seem to stop people from hating on him, and I doubt it ever will. As a Pole and his fan I feel that most of those "prick" and "twat" are undeserved, but I am obviously biased).
every time i think he's grown up, something like today happens
he definitely has issues
He sure does. Then again he is just a 20years old kid who got too much fame too fast. Just makes me admire all those who managed to stay humble in their successful SC2 career, rather than hate on those who did not.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
The comparisions are made because the line "I don't like BM players with little results."; which makes them very relevant, because they show, Nerchio has a lot of results.
Except that his results are puny compared to what StarDust has done in the short time StarDust has been active. Nerchio should aspire to place as well as StarDust does, not BM him.
The results are far from puny. You can see that for yourself, if you want to, but obviously it is just easier to ignore it.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
You're making a lot of assumptions. BMing is always purile, but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean he's worse at SC. I don't like when people speak nonsense about other people based entirely on their personal opinion. Stardust was obviously able to compete in foreign tournaments, since he did participate in IEM 7 back in late 2012. He's also Europe-based, as far as I know. Skill is subjective and the only objective method of comparing "success" in progaming is money won, because that is what progamers strive to do.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote: [quote] Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
The comparisions are made because the line "I don't like BM players with little results."; which makes them very relevant, because they show, Nerchio has a lot of results.
Except that his results are puny compared to what StarDust has done in the short time StarDust has been active. Nerchio should aspire to place as well as StarDust does, not BM him.
The results are far from puny. You can see that for yourself, if you want to, but obviously it is just easier to ignore it.
Apart from placing 9th at IEM 7 and 4th at DH Winter, he hasn't done much. Compared to StarDust who won ESET Winter, DH Summer, 4th at DH Valencia, 7th Asus ROG. So yea, he could learn a thing or two from StarDust about winning.
On September 02 2013 01:21 SmoKim wrote: LOOOOOOOL Babyknight
Biggest missclick ive ever seen xD
What happened?
Bly went earlish pool/late hatch and made 6 lings to put pressure on BK who went Nexus first. He blocked his ramp with forge, 2-3 gateways + 1 pylon. Bly starts to break one of the gates, and BK cancels it
however, instead of only canceling 1, he canceled all of his gates, leaving Bly free to run amok
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
You're making a lot of assumptions. BMing is always purile, but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean he's worse at SC. I don't like when people speak nonsense about other people based entirely on their personal opinion. Stardust was obviously able to compete in foreign tournaments, since he did participate in IEM 7 back in late 2012. He's also Europe-based, as far as I know. Skill is subjective and the only objective method of comparing "success" in progaming is money won, because that is what progamers strive to do.
I was not the one talking about whether Nerchio was good at sc2 or not. Just letting you know that such comparisons are stupid, be them from you or the other guy.
Fact remains though that Nerchio is a douchebag even to really nice people like StarDust. I dislike Nerchio for the fact that he acts like a baby and BMs alot. I do know he's good at starcraft though.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
You're making a lot of assumptions. BMing is always purile, but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean he's worse at SC. I don't like when people speak nonsense about other people based entirely on their personal opinion. Stardust was obviously able to compete in foreign tournaments, since he did participate in IEM 7 back in late 2012. He's also Europe-based, as far as I know. Skill is subjective and the only objective method of comparing "success" in progaming is money won, because that is what progamers strive to do.
Yes, and since StarDust became active on the circuit, he has won $20k to Nerchio's $6k by my estimate. So yea, my point stands.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
You're making a lot of assumptions. BMing is always purile, but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean he's worse at SC. I don't like when people speak nonsense about other people based entirely on their personal opinion. Stardust was obviously able to compete in foreign tournaments, since he did participate in IEM 7 back in late 2012. He's also Europe-based, as far as I know. Skill is subjective and the only objective method of comparing "success" in progaming is money won, because that is what progamers strive to do.
So you're saying that MC is the best player in the world? Oh well...
And I was not the one talking about whether Nerchio was good at sc2 or not. Just letting you know that such comparisons are stupid, be them from you or the other guy.
Fact remains though that Nerchio is a douchebag even to really nice people like StarDust. I dislike Nerchio for the fact that he acts like a baby and BMs alot. I do know he's good at starcraft though.
By results, I would say MC is amongst the best in the world. Say what you want about his playstyle, guy knows how to win games.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Uhm, not sure why these comparisons are being made. Nerchio has won a lot of small tournaments and you can't really compare zotac cups etc to GSL/OSL. GSL was for a long time pretty much the only tournament most Koreans could try to win which was the hardest tournament in the world. Earnings won't tell you much about anything then.
On the subject, you're Polish and probably have a mancrush on Nerchio so we all understand why you try to back him up, just like a lot of people back NaNiwa up when he's being childish towards someone. Doesn't make either Nerchio or NaNiwa less childish though.
You're making a lot of assumptions. BMing is always purile, but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean he's worse at SC. I don't like when people speak nonsense about other people based entirely on their personal opinion. Stardust was obviously able to compete in foreign tournaments, since he did participate in IEM 7 back in late 2012. He's also Europe-based, as far as I know. Skill is subjective and the only objective method of comparing "success" in progaming is money won, because that is what progamers strive to do.
So you're saying that MC is the best player in the world? Oh well...
And I was not the one talking about whether Nerchio was good at sc2 or not. Just letting you know that such comparisons are stupid, be them from you or the other guy.
Fact remains though that Nerchio is a douchebag even to really nice people like StarDust. I dislike Nerchio for the fact that he acts like a baby and BMs alot. I do know he's good at starcraft though.
Not the best, but the most successful, yes. Who's "best" is hard to discern and changes constantly. Skill is not measurable, success is, sort of. And again, being an asshole doesn't have much to do with how good you are at your job (which doesn't mean it's ok, obviously!).
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:04 Gudge wrote: holy crap whats up with nerchio? O_o
Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote: [quote] Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
Why do you bother replying to those fanboys, they see only 1 side not even noticing that I was maybe at 2-3 tournaments since november :D
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio is a little prick. Player who hasn't won anything or even really shown well in 2013 BMing the guy who won DH summer.
On September 02 2013 01:02 pigmanbear wrote: Nerchio also shows up in StarDust's Twitch chat just to BM. The guy has issues.
On September 02 2013 01:04 pigmanbear wrote: [quote] Bitter after getting rolled by ForGG maybe.
can you please take your personal agenda somewhere else? thx
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
The bigger point is that he has won literally nothing but tiny random EU cups since WoL was retired in tournaments. What could possibly explain that???
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
Why do you bother replying to those fanboys, they see only 1 side not even noticing that I was maybe at 2-3 tournaments since november :D
Not a fanboy, just think it's pretty dumb that you BM people when you don't show any results in HotS and they have amazing results for somebody so fresh on the scene. StarDust is MC-Lite and I don't mean that as a compliment.
On September 02 2013 01:38 pigmanbear wrote: The bigger point is that he has won literally nothing but tiny random EU cups since WoL was retired in tournaments. What could possibly explain that???
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
Why do you bother replying to those fanboys, they see only 1 side not even noticing that I was maybe at 2-3 tournaments since november :D
Not a fanboy, just think it's pretty dumb that you BM people when you don't show any results in HotS and they have amazing results for somebody so fresh on the scene. StarDust is MC-Lite and I don't mean that as a compliment.
If you get angry over "Please don't play starcraft II anymore" then something is wrong with you, not me.
On September 02 2013 01:38 pigmanbear wrote: The bigger point is that he has won literally nothing but tiny random EU cups since WoL was retired in tournaments. What could possibly explain that???
Studies?
That could contribute to it, but Nerchio did compete in DH Stockholm, IEM Season 7, has been active in WCS.
Congratulations on showing which player has been active longer. From the time since StarDust is active on the competitive circuit, it isn't even close.
"StarDust played his first official StarCraft II match during the hybrid 2011-2012 Proleague Season 2." "After being discharged from his compulsory service, he joined team LighT on August 5th, 2012"
Joining a team isn't the same thing as competing on the circuit. StarDust first competed in November 2012 at MLG Fall. If you start from that date, it isn't even close.
From november to today:$18,425. Seems pretty close to $19,220. And that's not counting the $10,400 Nerchio won at Dreamhack 2 weeks before Novemeber. Either learn to count better or learn to troll better. But now you're just going to make up something else to justify your previous comment, won't you?
Not from November to today. StarDust didn't compete in DH Winter 2012, couldn't be in BNet world championship (which is a long-running tournament that culminated in early Nov.). He became active at the very end of November, placing top 32 in MLG Fall, and that is where comparisons begin.
He didn't compete at Dreamhack, but he could. He was already active and participated in other tournaments. Dreamhack features an open bracket. Not every player participates in every tournament - and that's not the point of the comparison. The point is Nerchio is at the very least just as successful at his job as Stardust is, so far, even with fewer big showings than him to date.
Why do you bother replying to those fanboys, they see only 1 side not even noticing that I was maybe at 2-3 tournaments since november :D
Not a fanboy, just think it's pretty dumb that you BM people when you don't show any results in HotS and they have amazing results for somebody so fresh on the scene. StarDust is MC-Lite and I don't mean that as a compliment.
If you get angry over "Please don't play starcraft II anymore" then something is wrong with you, not me.
I can half-understand guys like IdrA who BM when they lose because it hurts so damn much. BMing when you are winning, saying stuff like "go back to Korea" is a whole new level of classlessness, not to mention stupid (again, seeing that StarDust has damned good results in HotS).
On September 02 2013 01:49 Zheryn wrote: Not really sure what Babyknight is doing, but it certainly looks like he wants to play some more instead of just killing Bly lol...
So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
I guess most of the players like Vortix, Lucifron and Snute at least run a standard DSL connection where resetting your IP is very easy.
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
I guess most of the players like Vortix, Lucifron and Snute at least run a standard DSL connection where resetting your IP is very easy.
Why did you remove the majority of your post? Just curious, it seemed informative.
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
I guess most of the players like Vortix, Lucifron and Snute at least run a standard DSL connection where resetting your IP is very easy.
Why did you remove the majority of your post? Just curious, it seemed informative.
I guess because the part about static IP was not correct anyways. Edit: Or let's say: it contained a lot of assumptions, which could very well be wrong.
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
I guess most of the players like Vortix, Lucifron and Snute at least run a standard DSL connection where resetting your IP is very easy.
Why did you remove the majority of your post? Just curious, it seemed informative.
Because I felt it implied that Take did not do enough while to be honest I do not have enough information to comment on Take's situation. If this is a persistent problem for Take, then I'm sure he has contacted his ISP about possible solutions. Further now that I think about it I'm not sure how efficiently you could block a LOIC attack without interfering with other UDP traffic (I would guess sc2 uses udp).
On September 02 2013 02:16 rasnj wrote: So have all these community figures still not figured out that it is wise to hide your ip and skype through a proxy? So many obvious targets still have not taken the proper precautions, or the attackers have found some flaw in bnet that let's them obtain the ip, but that seems more unlikely.
Sad that some people feel the need to do shit like this, but it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
It is not as easy as you make it. It is one thing for someone on a DSL connection, but it is different if you run on a dedicated line with a static IP.
I guess most of the players like Vortix, Lucifron and Snute at least run a standard DSL connection where resetting your IP is very easy.
Why did you remove the majority of your post? Just curious, it seemed informative.
Because I felt it implied that Take did not do enough while to be honest I do not have enough information to comment on Take's situation. If this is a persistent problem for Take, then I'm sure he has contacted his ISP about possible solutions. Further now that I think about it I'm not sure how efficiently you could block a LOIC attack without interfering with other UDP traffic (I would guess sc2 uses udp).
Yes, it does use UDP; at least since WoL beta is over.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
Take dropped from the first BK vs ForGG game. Naniwa vs Grubby was casted as a vod to be released later.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
These casters have compatriots in LB and cater to their local audience.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
These casters have compatriots in LB and cater to their local audience.
That's the only explanation I can think of and it sucks. It would be nice to have a stream that just cares about showing the most important games.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
Maybe inform before post. Casters dropped from games.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
These casters have compatriots in LB and cater to their local audience.
That's the only explanation I can think of and it sucks. It would be nice to have a stream that just cares about showing the most important games.
We had 2 of those, but then some idiot ruined the fun
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
These casters have compatriots in LB and cater to their local audience.
That's the only explanation I can think of and it sucks. It would be nice to have a stream that just cares about showing the most important games.
We had 2 of those, but then some idiot ruined the fun
If some idiot could choose to do this any time, there would never be any tournaments to watch. People need to be less promiscuous with their public IPs.
On September 02 2013 02:42 Boucot wrote: No stream for the winner bracket, 2 streams for Welmu-Bly, 2 for TLO-Nerchio. I'm not usually someone who complains about casters but come on...
50/50 chance they go to fun 4v4s instead of casting the finals these casters seem allergic to the winner's bracket in general.
These casters have compatriots in LB and cater to their local audience.
That's the only explanation I can think of and it sucks. It would be nice to have a stream that just cares about showing the most important games.
We had 2 of those, but then some idiot ruined the fun
For a tournament of that importance, ESL TV should broadcast it.
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
obviously we don't know if that's the real reason but it makes him look pretty stupid imo. you're gonna pass on a chance to go to New York for a big tournament cause you have 'a headache'? i don't know Kev...
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
obviously we don't know if that's the real reason but it makes him look pretty stupid imo. you're gonna pass on a chance to go to New York for a big tournament cause you have 'a headache'? i don't know Kev...
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
obviously we don't know if that's the real reason but it makes him look pretty stupid imo. you're gonna pass on a chance to go to New York for a big tournament cause you have 'a headache'? i don't know Kev...
Obviously he would have played if he could. Dont be stupid.
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
o.O a joke right?
I don't see any reason why he shouldn't, especially how game 1 went for Nerchio. It would be a waste of time to then get more headache. Absolutely no sarcasm here. Waiting for Nerchio to get his spot like I said before.
I always wonder why we don't see more hellbats in TvP when I watch how ForGG uses them. Maybe people thing "spamming hellbats in TvP is bad" is the same thing as "hellbats in TvP are bad."
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
obviously we don't know if that's the real reason but it makes him look pretty stupid imo. you're gonna pass on a chance to go to New York for a big tournament cause you have 'a headache'? i don't know Kev...
Obviously he would have played if he could. Dont be stupid.
so you're saying you think it's not just a headache... which is kinda what i implied. but then don't give a stupid reason like that imo. the reason is none of our business so just don't give one at all.
On September 02 2013 03:37 messioso wrote: BabyKnight just informed me that he will be forfeiting his next match as he has a huge headache.
obviously we don't know if that's the real reason but it makes him look pretty stupid imo. you're gonna pass on a chance to go to New York for a big tournament cause you have 'a headache'? i don't know Kev...
Obviously he would have played if he could. Dont be stupid.
so you're saying you think it's not just a headache... which is kinda what i implied. but then don't give a stupid reason like that imo. the reason is none of our business so just don't give one at all.
On September 02 2013 04:30 Sated wrote: NaNiwa definitely lost that more than ForGG won it. He was way too complacent after busting through into the natural...
You can't overextend when you are doing all-in, can you? Meanwhile i am seeing mass gateway units with +2-+3 on 3 bases from Grubby. Seed too much?
LOL when Naniwa was in Europe he forfeited a final against a player living in korea because he didn't wanted to play on NA server to have more equality considiring lag/delay. I wonder in what server Naniwa vs Forgg was played on, just curious :D
On September 02 2013 04:36 eronica wrote: LOL when Naniwa was in Europe he forfeited a final against a player living in korea because he didn't wanted to play on NA server to have more equality considiring lag/delay. I wonder in what server Naniwa vs Forgg was played on, just curious :D
EU I guess given it's EU qualifier.
But yes, don't try to understand NaNiwa's logic, especially when ESL is involved.
On September 02 2013 04:36 eronica wrote: LOL when Naniwa was in Europe he forfeited a final against a player living in korea because he didn't wanted to play on NA server to have more equality considiring lag/delay. I wonder in what server Naniwa vs Forgg was played on, just curious :D
EU I guess given it's EU qualifier.
But yes, don't try to understand NaNiwa's logic, especially when ESL is involved.
EU to NA lag is worse than KR to NA. Nothing wrong with his logic.
On September 02 2013 05:02 scypio wrote: more drama from Pughy's stream: Naniwa called the admin a retard. If he refuses to play he may get a yellow card or something.
On September 02 2013 05:02 scypio wrote: more drama from Pughy's stream: Naniwa called the admin a retard. If he refuses to play he may get a yellow card or something.
context?
and what's a yellow card or any card for IEM?
Seems like Nani does not like the number of observers.
Tod joined Pughy's stream, so you can catch some good commentary there (if the game actually starts).
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
Hmm, you sure? I think I've seen a lot of sOs builds that are zealot-heavy.
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
Hmm, you sure? I think I've seen a lot of sOs builds that are zealot-heavy.
I remember sOs vs Soulkey(from WCS S1 finals semis, not WCS KR disaster) series and sOs vs KangHo one Short summary: essentially Soulkey played against it with muta-corruptor mid game with appropriate transition in late game (be it SHs, Ultras or more mutas :D).
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
Hmm, you sure? I think I've seen a lot of sOs builds that are zealot-heavy.
at least alicia is doing it with 3 stargates dont know about sos
On September 02 2013 05:24 shid0x wrote: I meant that nerchio should have attacked nani sooner (also no quick third) the term ''bust'' is misleading in starcraft :p
i am not quite sure if he saw the third because he was running around with his ~20 lings and the nexus was building when nani couldnt even break down the debris with his sentrys, he could have easily cancelled if he saw it, couldn't he?
On September 02 2013 05:24 shid0x wrote: I meant that nerchio should have attacked nani sooner (also no quick third) the term ''bust'' is misleading in starcraft :p
i am not quite sure if he saw the third because he was running around with his ~20 lings and the nexus was building when nani couldnt even break down the debris with his sentrys, he could have easily cancelled if he saw it, couldn't he?
Nani did have some units at third and possibility to warp-in, no?
On September 02 2013 05:24 shid0x wrote: I meant that nerchio should have attacked nani sooner (also no quick third) the term ''bust'' is misleading in starcraft :p
i am not quite sure if he saw the third because he was running around with his ~20 lings and the nexus was building when nani couldnt even break down the debris with his sentrys, he could have easily cancelled if he saw it, couldn't he?
I was confused about that as well, he scouted it with his overlord right after it went up.
On September 02 2013 05:24 shid0x wrote: I meant that nerchio should have attacked nani sooner (also no quick third) the term ''bust'' is misleading in starcraft :p
i am not quite sure if he saw the third because he was running around with his ~20 lings and the nexus was building when nani couldnt even break down the debris with his sentrys, he could have easily cancelled if he saw it, couldn't he?
Nani did have some units at third and possibility to warp-in, no?
he had no units there but he had 3 gates + 1 vr above maybe he could have cleared that. still not sure though
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
Hmm, you sure? I think I've seen a lot of sOs builds that are zealot-heavy.
I remember sOs vs Soulkey(from WCS S1 finals semis, not WCS KR disaster) series and sOs vs KangHo one Short summary: essentially Soulkey played against it with muta-corruptor mid game with appropriate transition in late game (be it SHs, Ultras or more mutas :D).
Yeah, I am thinking of gate openers. But I can never remember series like that. He probably has several different openings and skytoss builds.
On September 02 2013 05:24 shid0x wrote: I meant that nerchio should have attacked nani sooner (also no quick third) the term ''bust'' is misleading in starcraft :p
i am not quite sure if he saw the third because he was running around with his ~20 lings and the nexus was building when nani couldnt even break down the debris with his sentrys, he could have easily cancelled if he saw it, couldn't he?
Yeah i was surprised about that too,i don't think he saw the third,which is weird with 20 glings. But i guess he kinda knew.
On September 02 2013 05:17 Heartland wrote: Interesting that Nani is doing the three Stargates and not two Stargates and chargealots like sOs, who he loves, often does.
Nah, sOs and Alicia did 3 stargate void rays after FFE into zealot archon void ray storm. Nerchio must have made mutas :D
Hmm, you sure? I think I've seen a lot of sOs builds that are zealot-heavy.
I remember sOs vs Soulkey(from WCS S1 finals semis, not WCS KR disaster) series and sOs vs KangHo one Short summary: essentially Soulkey played against it with muta-corruptor mid game with appropriate transition in late game (be it SHs, Ultras or more mutas :D).
Yeah, I am thinking of gate openers. But I can never remember series like that. He probably has several different openings and skytoss builds.
The only difference i have seen in Nani's build here and sOs play at WCS KR and WCS S1 finals is the different opening with sOs going for FFE in games i have seen, and Nani opting for gateway exp into 3 gate aggression. Similarly greedy third, 3 stargates and same transition. Nani surely likes sOs builds :D
On September 02 2013 05:27 SneX wrote: I missed the game, did NaNi crush Nerchio?
Yes.
Nerchio took a pretty quick third (3:50) and held the 3-gate attack from Nani. He (theorycrafting) expected another attack as a followup and kept his lings in the middle of the map.
Nani did not attack, he took a sub-9 minute mark third instead and added two starports for a total of three.
Nerchio failed to take down the third and he attacked too late to dismantle the VR army from Nani. Nani dealt the killing blow with a maxed VR/archon/ht/chargelot army.
Nerchio's entire army was countered by ht's, archons, and zealots. He really needed something else, or a massive supply lead with a good concave. Obviously he had neither.
I feel like Nerchio might have been able to punish Nani's fast 3rd with speedlings.
On September 02 2013 05:27 SneX wrote: I missed the game, did NaNi crush Nerchio?
Yes.
Nerchio took a pretty quick third (3:50) and held the 3-gate attack from Nani. He (theorycrafting) expected another attack as a followup and kept his lings in the middle of the map.
Nani did not attack, he took a sub-9 minute mark third instead and added two starports for a total of three.
Nerchio failed to take down the third and he attacked too late to dismantle the VR army from Nani. Nani dealt the killing blow with a maxed VR/archon/ht/chargelot army.
Also, Nerchio's economy was damaged because he made 25 useless lings. I think that's a big part of the story as well.
On September 02 2013 05:27 SneX wrote: I missed the game, did NaNi crush Nerchio?
Yes.
Nerchio took a pretty quick third (3:50) and held the 3-gate attack from Nani. He (theorycrafting) expected another attack as a followup and kept his lings in the middle of the map.
Nani did not attack, he took a sub-9 minute mark third instead and added two starports for a total of three.
Nerchio failed to take down the third and he attacked too late to dismantle the VR army from Nani. Nani dealt the killing blow with a maxed VR/archon/ht/chargelot army.
Also, Nerchio's economy was damaged because he made 25 useless lings. I think that's a big part of the story as well.
That's the largest part of story actually. EDIT: Woah, burrow. Okay, congratulations to Naniwa.
On September 02 2013 05:42 shid0x wrote: Best match of the year ! also lol@Nani calling someone a maphacker when he does the same build every pvp since last season wcs.
pvp ? and he does not do same build LoL best joke ever " same build "
On September 02 2013 05:42 Sated wrote: Didn't scout for the Mutalisk transition when it's so strong against Void Ray builds, and that move out when the Zerglings were being sent across the map...
Sigh, NaNiwa had plenty of ways to win that game quite easily, but key errors really cost him.
T_T
Muta transition feels like only correct way to play against that void ray stuff. That or roach-hydra-viper bust.
to be fair there are other pros who think Nerchio has hacked in the past and might be doing so still (so it's not just Naniwa), and Nerchio imo is equally as bm if not more bm than Naniwa at the very least
"someone please teach about manner to nerchio how he have amazing manner i respect his game skills but he's manner is pic.twitter.com/ZqDGhwhZ8M" -Stardust
On September 02 2013 05:40 Boucot wrote: Twitch is terrible since last week.
Yea the redesign and whatever came with it has fucked up all sorts of things. I lag on "low" which I assume is 240p.
Same here. They invested in Sweden-located servers and I can't watch medium without lag and the notification that comes with it. I'm bleeding passion over here, man.
On September 02 2013 05:42 shid0x wrote: Best match of the year ! also lol@Nani calling someone a maphacker when he does the same build every pvp since last season wcs.
pvp ? and he does not do same build LoL best joke ever " same build "
I meant PvZ typo.
Gigging me ? In pvz he always (well not always but A LOT ) does this void ray / chargelot / sentries at first and then switches to Storm archon in addition.
On September 02 2013 05:46 AstroPegnuin wrote: to be fair there are other pros who think Nerchio has hacked in the past and might be doing so still (so it's not just Naniwa), and Nerchio imo is equally as bm if not more bm than Naniwa at the very least
The problem is most of those people think that because they don't like him and want to think the worst of him. Despite a few suspicious incident nobody has been able to prove Nerchio hacks and he certainly has LAN results.
On September 02 2013 05:40 Boucot wrote: Twitch is terrible since last week.
Yea the redesign and whatever came with it has fucked up all sorts of things. I lag on "low" which I assume is 240p.
Same here. They invested in Sweden-located servers and I can't watch medium without lag and the notification that comes with it. I'm bleeding passion over here, man.
And not being able to see the viewers number on embed streams is dumb.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I think this was in WoL where forgg did 1 base hellion/banshee every game
On September 02 2013 05:46 AstroPegnuin wrote: to be fair there are other pros who think Nerchio has hacked in the past and might be doing so still (so it's not just Naniwa), and Nerchio imo is equally as bm if not more bm than Naniwa at the very least
"someone please teach about manner to nerchio how he have amazing manner i respect his game skills but he's manner is pic.twitter.com/ZqDGhwhZ8M" -Stardust
why do you post this? everyone posts random stupid stuff into the ingame chat, you could find bm stuff of 80% of the players, even select bmd me ingame, there's no really need in posting this stuff.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
yeah i remember forGG didnt scout and played greedy than he cried cos nerchio killed him with roach bust
On September 02 2013 05:40 Boucot wrote: Twitch is terrible since last week.
Yea the redesign and whatever came with it has fucked up all sorts of things. I lag on "low" which I assume is 240p.
Same here. They invested in Sweden-located servers and I can't watch medium without lag and the notification that comes with it. I'm bleeding passion over here, man.
Twitch works like shit for me. And all streams are on twitch so really trying to follow esports is very painful for me now just because of this shitty stream site. Even the chat isn't working anymore... *rage*
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
On September 02 2013 05:45 pigmanbear wrote: "Don't crush the house." OK, I'll watch another stream that doesn't guilt-trip me for not liking ads.
really, take produces good content and I am happy to turn off adblock for him
Why not just sell some sponsorship and put on overlay though? Why be passive-aggressive?
Better than active agressive like you are. He even switched to casting in English when Nathanias dropped. You are beyond every border of reason here.
I'm not being "actively aggressive." I appreciate Take's streaming and all the other guys. It is annoying when people act like Twitch ads are the bread that feeds ESPORT, and after so many times seeing that, happy to watch KingCobra.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I think this was in WoL where forgg did 1 base hellion/banshee every game
That was HotS beta tournament. But the more suspicious 'Nerchio hacks' incident was when he was pretty much the only pro to defend Spades.
On September 02 2013 05:45 pigmanbear wrote: "Don't crush the house." OK, I'll watch another stream that doesn't guilt-trip me for not liking ads.
really, take produces good content and I am happy to turn off adblock for him
Why not just sell some sponsorship and put on overlay though? Why be passive-aggressive?
Better than active agressive like you are. He even switched to casting in English when Nathanias dropped. You are beyond every border of reason here.
I'm not being "actively aggressive." I appreciate Take's streaming and all the other guys. It is annoying when people act like Twitch ads are the bread that feeds ESPORT, and after so many times seeing that, happy to watch KingCobra.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
On September 02 2013 05:58 Sated wrote: NaNiwa is defending so well in this game. Keeping the third alive for so long, keeping that Probe alive with the lifts, forcing so many Lings for so little damage, deflecting the Roach transition immaculately...
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
On September 02 2013 05:45 pigmanbear wrote: "Don't crush the house." OK, I'll watch another stream that doesn't guilt-trip me for not liking ads.
really, take produces good content and I am happy to turn off adblock for him
Why not just sell some sponsorship and put on overlay though? Why be passive-aggressive?
Better than active agressive like you are. He even switched to casting in English when Nathanias dropped. You are beyond every border of reason here.
I'm not being "actively aggressive." I appreciate Take's streaming and all the other guys. It is annoying when people act like Twitch ads are the bread that feeds ESPORT, and after so many times seeing that, happy to watch KingCobra.
Well, Take's income is affected by Twitch ads :D
I don't think that I have ever received a twitch ad on TaKeTV which makes me wonder if they are only targeted towards the German viewers or something. So now I'm a little curious, which ones of you who are living in other countries gets them?
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
No but ForGG said that Nerchio insulted him multiple times on ladder before and after that.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
Yea, that's what I meant, not that it's OK for ForGG to be BM, but damn, you must have to do some heinous shit to get ForGG to BM you publicly.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
It´s not relevant, I was just pointing out, that there is bad blood between those two and pigmanbear tried to blame everything on Nerchio (like he did for the entire thread), I am just saying, that that is not the case.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
It´s not relevant, I was just pointing out, that there is bad blood between those two and pigmanbear tried to blame everything on Nerchio (like he did for the entire thread), I am just saying, that that is not the case.
One guy has zero history of bad blood, the other has leagues of haters, sort of makes you suspect the second guy of instigating, etc. And yea, I don't think somebody that BM deserves much respect, you're right about that. StarDust is another incredibly manner guy and you see Nerchio leaning on him, getting him to make defensive Twitter posts, etc.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
It´s not relevant, I was just pointing out, that there is bad blood between those two and pigmanbear tried to blame everything on Nerchio (like he did for the entire thread), I am just saying, that that is not the case.
One guy has zero history of bad blood, the other has leagues of haters, sort of makes you suspect the second guy of instigating, etc. And yea, I don't think somebody that BM deserves much respect, you're right about that.
If you want, we can debate that via pm, there is no need to derail this thread with furhter drama.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
It´s not relevant, I was just pointing out, that there is bad blood between those two and pigmanbear tried to blame everything on Nerchio (like he did for the entire thread), I am just saying, that that is not the case.
One guy has zero history of bad blood, the other has leagues of haters, sort of makes you suspect the second guy of instigating, etc. And yea, I don't think somebody that BM deserves much respect, you're right about that. StarDust is another incredibly manner guy and you see Nerchio leaning on him, getting him to make defensive Twitter posts, etc.
On September 02 2013 05:41 Longtimer wrote: Maphacking accusations.
Ah, what a sunday evening!!
He's not the first one to accuse Nerchio. Just google it.
eghm, so? Do you think Nerchio is a maphacker?
Great quote! You basically cut of the part where I said nothing pointed towards him cheating in that game. Starved for drama?
quoted the part ive found interesting.
Longtimer didnt ask you if Naniwa is the first one to accuse Nerchio of MH. I got an impression you either think Nerchio is a maphacker or you find its ok to accuse him of using MH.
On September 02 2013 05:45 pigmanbear wrote: "Don't crush the house." OK, I'll watch another stream that doesn't guilt-trip me for not liking ads.
really, take produces good content and I am happy to turn off adblock for him
Why not just sell some sponsorship and put on overlay though? Why be passive-aggressive?
Better than active agressive like you are. He even switched to casting in English when Nathanias dropped. You are beyond every border of reason here.
I'm not being "actively aggressive." I appreciate Take's streaming and all the other guys. It is annoying when people act like Twitch ads are the bread that feeds ESPORT, and after so many times seeing that, happy to watch KingCobra.
Well, Take's income is affected by Twitch ads :D
I don't think that I have ever received a twitch ad on TaKeTV which makes me wonder if they are only targeted towards the German viewers or something. So now I'm a little curious, which ones of you who are living in other countries gets them?
I guess you only notice if there are adds if they have such screens like take has. I have some issues with Java or flash on Opera and a few ads seems to not load for me.
Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
On September 02 2013 05:48 Silvanel wrote: Yeah forGG acused Nerchio of MH after he counterd him three times in row. (forGG was doing exact same thing whole tournament without scouting).
lol I don't think Nerchio likes forGG. I remember watching Nerchio streaming and he was getting pissed off and showing/saying he does exact same thing every ladder and tournament game. Also that he's easy to play against in tournaments because of this.
No, those two are definitly not the best friends, I think ForGG told Nerchio to fuck himself during a streamed game as well some time ago and as he is normally not the guy to do this, there has definitly been bad blood between those.
And ForGG seems like a really gentle guy .. tells you something.
Well, it was´nt really Nerchios fault, that ForGG played the same build in the entire tourney, where it all started.
How is that relevant? ForGG just told Nerchio to shut up which indicates bad feelings from forgg towards nerchio despite forgg very rarely expressing such feelings. There was no accusation of map hacking or anything from forgg. No one can really tell from that if Nerchio "deserved" it from past actions and conversations or whether forgg was just a bit annoyed at that point.
It´s not relevant, I was just pointing out, that there is bad blood between those two and pigmanbear tried to blame everything on Nerchio (like he did for the entire thread), I am just saying, that that is not the case.
One guy has zero history of bad blood, the other has leagues of haters, sort of makes you suspect the second guy of instigating, etc. And yea, I don't think somebody that BM deserves much respect, you're right about that.
If you want, we can debate that via pm, there is no need to derail this thread with furhter drama.
GG Naniwa, look foward to see you at NY.
OK, but I wasn't the one who brought up the stuff with ForGG, and obviously quite a few other people here are talking about it.
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
I dont think Nerchio a MPH at all. I'm just saying there has been people thinking that before. It think it was stupid of NaNiwa to say that.
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
I dont think Nerchio a MPH at all. I'm just saying there has been people thinking that before. It think it was stupid of NaNiwa to say that.
he is known for saying stupid things don't take him too serious guys
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
It wasn't here, it was some random guy on Reddit if I recall, and that person only described somebody a lot like Nerchio, not naming him directly. Nobody took the crazy guy very seriously, though.
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
It wasn't here, it was some random guy on Reddit if I recall, and that person only described somebody a lot like Nerchio, not naming him directly. Nobody took the crazy guy very seriously, though.
It's old and comes from him doing well online before he got recognized as the good (and legit) player that he is. Sometimes it gets mentioned in a sarcastic manner whenever he makes a sick move and beats some good Korean.
On September 02 2013 06:14 ThePlagueJG wrote: Nerchio WAS according to some a maphacker once(I dont know if theres any truth to this). It was kinda stupid for NaNiwa to say that(Having a bad streak of stuff the last couple of days), but Nerchio did do his fair share of shit earlier today so I dont feel sorry for him.
What does this "according to some" mean? It is extremely bad what some people do here, playing backhand accusations like "I heard he is/was" "My Aunts friend said" etc. Basically this is false accusations and with hiding behind an unnamed stranger. Sadly this goes unpunished here
It wasn't here, it was some random guy on Reddit if I recall, and that person only described somebody a lot like Nerchio, not naming him directly. Nobody took the crazy guy very seriously, though.
Yeah I remember somebody who told such things, like the presumably MHer was quite well known in the community and a zerg being good at ZvZ that won quite a lot of money. Stephano and Nerchio have been accused of maphack since their rise in the european scene but they have proven themselves clean probably far enough (especially for Stephano).
Well to be fair for all we can prove any player ever could have map hacked in some online tournaments. Nerchio could have map hacked not once in his live or 5000 times, there is no way of ever telling 100% unless you have prove they actually hacked (and I'd imagine they'd be smart enough to not make it look too obvious).
At the same time, lots of people who used to map hack in bw are well respected on tl nowadays so even IF nerchio hacked, from the past I don't see how our community would punish that long-term anyways (not saying I'd be okay with it, just that from our past mher are usually forgiven).
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