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GattAttack
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Canada202 Posts
August 24 2013 17:33 GMT
#5561
On August 25 2013 02:32 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:31 GattAttack wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:26 Thezzy wrote:
Time for a 2port Banshee!


Dude yes! Why is this build no longer a thing XD


Maps are twice as big as in early WoL, ovies are way faster.


pssh you can build starports wherever you want! =)
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5562
At this point I'm pretty convinced that all the terrans in the tournament decided to lose on purpose so zerg isn't buffed
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5563
On August 25 2013 02:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't care how good the story is, I don't want a ZvZ final


Truer words were never spoken.

ZvZ is like watching ping pong at 3x speed.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5564
On August 25 2013 02:33 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:29 Schelim wrote:
Bomber with his skillset SHOULD be able to play the same style as Innovation with similar results in TvZ. but for some reason he's not doing that =/

Innovation's TvZ comes from few things:
1st one is good enough macro. Not perfect, just insane enough.
2nd one is insane micro. MKP level of splits + microing mines.
3rd one is nice and refined build that applies enough pressure with hellions and gets nice infrastructure.

yeah. you just explained why Bomber would be great at that style. he just needs to copy Innovation's build.

No, he lacks in 2nd part department :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
KoRStarvid
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden767 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5565
On August 25 2013 02:29 Cereb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:25 liberate71 wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:24 Cereb wrote:
OMG Scarlett hit 700 APM for a short second! o.0

Never seen that before!


GJ Scarlett!!


I think thats just from szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
(not being snarky, it does peak heaps during that)



Yeah, that is definitely part of it, but I have never seen anyone hit that before, so if it was purely that I would assume I had seen it much much more from other players

It's the computer's repeating speed. No amount of actual actions or spamming would be over 10 actions per second other than building huge amounts of the same unit for a short period of time. Not taking anything away from Scarlett though, she is playing absolutely great, but she's not an actual robot
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5566
On August 25 2013 02:34 bo1b wrote:
At this point I'm pretty convinced that all the terrans in the tournament decided to lose on purpose so zerg isn't buffed

Like all korean zergs deciding to suck in TvZ to make sure they are not nerfed and terran is?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5567
Drones chasing a hellion, new metagame.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
August 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#5568
On August 25 2013 02:34 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't care how good the story is, I don't want a ZvZ final


Truer words were never spoken.

ZvZ is like watching ping pong at 3x speed.


Except ping pong is actually entertaining
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5569
Gogo Scarlett I cheer on you for the sake of Starcraft!
The curse is real
Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5570
I like bombers build this time much better, not talking away anything from scarlett, but his build on the first map was pretty bad against her style imo.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5571
On August 25 2013 02:34 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:34 unigolyn wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't care how good the story is, I don't want a ZvZ final


Truer words were never spoken.

ZvZ is like watching ping pong at 3x speed.


Except ping pong is actually entertaining


You gotta be drinking to think Ping Pong is fun, it can't hold a candle to nose picking let alone ZvZ.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5572
On August 25 2013 02:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:33 Schelim wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:29 Schelim wrote:
Bomber with his skillset SHOULD be able to play the same style as Innovation with similar results in TvZ. but for some reason he's not doing that =/

Innovation's TvZ comes from few things:
1st one is good enough macro. Not perfect, just insane enough.
2nd one is insane micro. MKP level of splits + microing mines.
3rd one is nice and refined build that applies enough pressure with hellions and gets nice infrastructure.

yeah. you just explained why Bomber would be great at that style. he just needs to copy Innovation's build.

No, he lacks in 2nd part department :D

His micro is actually quite good. He often chooses to just macro instead though and let units die. Also he prefers target fire over splitting.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5573
On August 25 2013 02:34 bo1b wrote:
At this point I'm pretty convinced that all the terrans in the tournament decided to lose on purpose so zerg isn't buffed


That's pretty stupid thing to do considering how much money is on the line.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5574
Viewer peak at 95k now!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5575
On August 25 2013 02:32 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:29 babylon wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:28 Yorbon wrote:
I wonder if such passive play will be viable in a few months against good zerg play.

It hasn't been viable for a year already.
Okay, well, that shows my knowledge on metagame :')

Although i doubt referring to wol makes sense with this topic.

zerg production hasn't changed any..
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5576
Bomber's micro seems so sluggish
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
August 24 2013 17:35 GMT
#5577
On August 25 2013 02:33 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 25 2013 02:29 Schelim wrote:
Bomber with his skillset SHOULD be able to play the same style as Innovation with similar results in TvZ. but for some reason he's not doing that =/

Innovation's TvZ comes from few things:
1st one is good enough macro. Not perfect, just insane enough.
2nd one is insane micro. MKP level of splits + microing mines.
3rd one is nice and refined build that applies enough pressure with hellions and gets nice infrastructure.

yeah. you just explained why Bomber would be great at that style. he just needs to copy Innovation's build.


Bomber is capable of executing "MKP level of splits"? Don't really know...
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 24 2013 17:36 GMT
#5578
On August 25 2013 02:34 Boucot wrote:
Drones chasing a hellion, new metagame.
counter guides should be rewritten.
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
August 24 2013 17:36 GMT
#5579
On August 25 2013 02:33 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 02:30 GWdeathscythe wrote:
Ok guys... So.. We have 2 zergs in the tournament. 1 is slaughtering all protoss and the other is crushing through all terrans. Amazing storyline for a zvz finals.


wow that would be amazing to quite honest

Btw.. high level zvz is pretty good to watch.
JD is BONJWA!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
August 24 2013 17:36 GMT
#5580
ugh, so torn between cheering for Bomber and cheering for Scarlett. Scarlett has a great story but Bomber is Bomber! Plus, I think he is the only one to have a chance vs Taeja.
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