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Ok, the finals are on now. Stop derailing with complaints about WCS region system! - Begin page 109 |
On August 11 2013 23:52 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:38 pigmanbear wrote:
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Yes. Maru is very, very good. So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog. It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly.  It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along... Go ahead and keep calling me a fanboy. The only players I'm a fanboy of are MKP, ForGG, and WannaBeCool, so suck it.
does wbc still play?
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TLADT24920 Posts
WHY MMA WHY? >< Well, there goes my prediction lol. Go grubby go! :D
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On August 11 2013 23:53 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:52 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog.
It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly. It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along... Go ahead and keep calling me a fanboy. The only players I'm a fanboy of are MKP, ForGG, and WannaBeCool, so suck it. does wbc still play?
Just casually I think.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:38 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Lol you think Sun was the underdog against Maru? Yes. Maru is very, very good. So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog. It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly. It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along...
I agree, at least partly. Maru had the potential to be a god-tier Terran all along, but he's been struggling with consistency since forever. If you watch some of his older games, you'll find one game or one play among many where he just goes two levels up for no apparent reason. I'm hesitant to call it nerves, but the ability was always there. He just managed to finally get it together this season.
I know this is very close to splitting hairs, but one needs to know this before saying Maru suddenly became good out of nowhere. What I'm trying to say is Rain was definetly the favorite looking at results alone. But yes, Rain was favored based on past results. By quite a bit.
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On August 11 2013 23:53 BigFan wrote:
WHY MMA WHY? >< Well, there goes my prediction lol. Go grubby go! :D
MMA bad vs Protoss, MC with some good decision making despite sloppy Stalker usage.
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On August 11 2013 23:53 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:50 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:48 lolfail9001 wrote:Wait a minute. Grubby is fan favorite, Artosis cheering for him and he is up against toss version of  Sniper!? Poor guy  Poor Finale getting the Sniper label of death Well, he did kill alot of fan favorites in most anti-fun way possible (except for that hold), he is rather young and he is on team MVP.
Well part of the problem was he was playing KR to EU lag so he just needed to all in to have a chance
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that will be an archon push, or atleast look like it.
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all of a sudden problem with stream.
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United States23455 Posts
On August 11 2013 23:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:38 pigmanbear wrote:
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Yes. Maru is very, very good. So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog. It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly. It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along... I agree, at least partly. Maru had the potential to be a god-tier Terran all along, but he's been struggling with consistency since forever. If you watch some of his older games, you'll find one game or one play among many where he just goes two levels up for no apparent reason. I'm hesitant to call it nerves, but the ability was always there. He just managed to finally get it together this season. I know this is very close to splitting hairs, but one needs to know this before saying Maru suddenly became good out of nowhere.
Everyone always praised his micro and mechanics from way back when. He's always been that guy on the edge of greatness. Sometimes in the booth his decision making got questionable (and he became one dimensional in his play) which kept him out of the top tier.
But agreed, he didn't just come from nowhere.
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On August 11 2013 23:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:38 pigmanbear wrote:
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Yes. Maru is very, very good. So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog. It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly. It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along... I agree, at least partly. Maru had the potential to be a god-tier Terran all along, but he's been struggling with consistency since forever. If you watch some of his older games, you'll find one game or one play among many where he just goes two levels up for no apparent reason. I'm hesitant to call it nerves, but the ability was always there. He just managed to finally get it together this season. I know this is very close to splitting hairs, but one needs to know this before saying Maru suddenly became good out of nowhere.
But that's pretty much every Korean for the past 2 years ever (since the terrible ones started falling out of GSL in 2011). Most of them have the potential to be the best. That's why we have so many GSL/WCS KR champions and also so many players that make it very far but never quite win.
Like I agree, but you can argue for pretty much every top player of recent times that he has and has had the potential to be god-tier.
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Nice fake expand by duckduck, but Grubby is smelling the real one.
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United States23455 Posts
Long supply blocks in succession for Finale.
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Hidden bases happened all the time and was grubbys ace in wc3
no way he falls for it
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grubby should have a 2nd right away now that he saw duck's exp
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No clue why dogdog made a hidden expo without taking a natural lol
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I think there's a 85% chance that duckdeok is the european champion. If he is he will have knocked out dimaga, lucifron, stephano, grubby and mc. I"m so sorry Europe.
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On August 11 2013 23:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:54 Zealously wrote:On August 11 2013 23:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:49 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 23:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:45 Teoita wrote:On August 11 2013 23:43 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2013 23:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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So is Sun. Except Sun had won tournaments before. I'm not saying Maru is bad, but he was very much the underdog.
It's easy to go "oh he won I guess he wasn't the underdog" but that's such terrible logic. Nice job on thinking up shit logic and then putting it in my mouth. Sorry I find it hard to argue with fanboys who suddenly think Maru is the best player on the planet just because he hard-countered a stubborn Bogus... zzz He's good, but he's not as good as you're making him out to be. Sun was by far the favorite going into it. Maru has been in GSL since very early, and was the youngest player in GSL. He has had good results for a long time. I would always pick a player like that over somebody newer to the game. Now you call me a fanboy? Jesus you're bad at debating, or whatever you call it. Sun was an A teamer in Proleague for a long time too you know. Plus, you know, he was winning titles one year ago... Exactly. It's hard to bring a decent argument when you don't know what you're talking about.... "oh but Maru is so young etc etc" yeah while Maru was busy struggling to survive in Code S ro32, FlaSh and Life were winning the most prestigious championships when they were his age. I think it is fairly undisputed that Rain was the favorite. He won the previous OSL, has had more success in WCS/GSL than Maru (despite the shorter tenure) and provided constant results throughout Proleague which was the hardest competition in SC2. I believe he finished second in wins behind Flash? or maybe third behind Innovation as well. I was rooting for Maru, but I knew he was the underdog. Yeah. Like maybe pigmanbear got too eager in his fanboyness and misunderstood. Maru's achievement this season of OSL is absolutely incredible and praise-worthy. But let's not pretend he was some god-tier Terran all along... I agree, at least partly. Maru had the potential to be a god-tier Terran all along, but he's been struggling with consistency since forever. If you watch some of his older games, you'll find one game or one play among many where he just goes two levels up for no apparent reason. I'm hesitant to call it nerves, but the ability was always there. He just managed to finally get it together this season. I know this is very close to splitting hairs, but one needs to know this before saying Maru suddenly became good out of nowhere. But that's pretty much every Korean for the past 2 years ever (since the terrible ones started falling out of GSL in 2011). Most of them have the potential to be the best. That's why we have so many GSL/WCS KR champions and also so many players that make it very far but never quite win. Like I agree, but you can argue for pretty much every top player of recent times that he has and has had the potential to be god-tier.
You can white-wash it all you want but talents like Leenock, Maru, and Taeja are a world apart from guys like San.
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United States23455 Posts
The upgrade tables have turned, Grubby is almost a full upgrade ahead.
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EPT
