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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45765 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2841
On July 21 2013 04:38 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:31 DeathProfessor wrote:
If SC2 was a sport the better player would win every time but its just a game so all you gotta do to win is make like one different building and have no lings where the jerkface 9 pools, yeah some sport, game of pure luck.

Not to jump on the pile here but perhaps you've heard of the Miracle on Ice?

The American team was NOT the better team before that day. But on that day, in that moment, they were the better team.

The better team/player always wins.



I wouldn't say always. A bad bounce here, a bad call there and anything can happen in sports, despite being "better." Sometimes teams win in sports because of officiating, so you can't even say they most "deserving" team even wins always.


Maybe so, but I'm sure you'd also agree that DeathProfessor's analysis of StarCraft competition is a gross oversimplification that doesn't do justice to the overwhelming need for skill and decision making, much like any sport.

He's just angry.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2842
Jaedong.. Please man, you got this!!
n.Die_Jaedong
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2843
Are there any major league sports where you can "cheese"? It's true that there are risks and gambles that occur in every sport but is there anything comparable to a build order loss? I can't think of a sport where one team/player can make a good guess before the game even starts and just auto-win.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2844
How is Hyun ZvZ ?
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2845
On July 21 2013 04:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:22 udgnim wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:19 VictorX wrote:
Steven Bonnell (Destiny), a quote from 2011: Hahahahaha this Goswser kid doesn't know how to fucking deal with a 10p.




oh man that was funny lol


I don't find that funny at all. All he did was cheese and he won.
I never actually watched his stream, but in this video his whole personality seems fake and overblown, he tries too much to be funny.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2846
On July 21 2013 04:40 Ventris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:38 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:37 Melliflue wrote:
They interrupted the Luftballons

Good enough reason for me not to buy anything that is advertised.

I agree with this statement!

Yeah, it is probably the only German song that is known outside of Germany. Possibly because of what the song is about, so people prefer not knowing what is being sung
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2847
On July 21 2013 04:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:31 DeathProfessor wrote:
If SC2 was a sport the better player would win every time but its just a game so all you gotta do to win is make like one different building and have no lings where the jerkface 9 pools, yeah some sport, game of pure luck.


Do people actually think like this?


a certain type of person.. the type that doesnt have a well functioning social life

Dumb people can still have dumb friends man...
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2848
On July 21 2013 04:40 Ventris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:38 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:37 Melliflue wrote:
They interrupted the Luftballons

Good enough reason for me not to buy anything that is advertised.

I agree with this statement!


yeah. I felt like a 10-years old once again when the song started
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
July 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#2849
the amount of wifi at dreamhack... holy fuck it amazes me
economy over everything
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2850
On July 21 2013 04:41 j4vz wrote:
How is Hyun ZvZ ?

It's his weakest matchup, but he's still fairly good at it. He's not Jaedong though.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2851
On July 21 2013 04:40 ACrow wrote:
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On July 21 2013 04:37 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:34 Cokefreak wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:33 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:32 Ventris wrote:
Movits <3


Can someone link me to some of this guys music? He's not bad and I would like to check out the rest of it

Too lazy to type Movits into google? :D


... Yes.

No but really I didn't know who he was but thanks he's actually all over youtube.

He's pretty good, listening to their songs in the break right now too. I don't understand a word, but I enjoy it, haha.


I am exactly the same ahaha
My wife for hire! - Zealot
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2852
looks like Smix finally kicked out Rachel
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2853
noooo twitch dont start lagging on me now
Amove for Aiur
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2854
On July 21 2013 04:40 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:37 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:34 Cokefreak wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:33 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:32 Ventris wrote:
Movits <3


Can someone link me to some of this guys music? He's not bad and I would like to check out the rest of it

Too lazy to type Movits into google? :D


... Yes.

No but really I didn't know who he was but thanks he's actually all over youtube.

He's pretty good, listening to their songs in the break right now too. I don't understand a word, but I enjoy it, haha.

Yeah, Movits! are amazing. No clue how i got to know them, but damn they make awesome music.
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2855
On July 21 2013 04:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:38 onPHYRE wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:31 DeathProfessor wrote:
If SC2 was a sport the better player would win every time but its just a game so all you gotta do to win is make like one different building and have no lings where the jerkface 9 pools, yeah some sport, game of pure luck.

Not to jump on the pile here but perhaps you've heard of the Miracle on Ice?

The American team was NOT the better team before that day. But on that day, in that moment, they were the better team.

The better team/player always wins.



I wouldn't say always. A bad bounce here, a bad call there and anything can happen in sports, despite being "better." Sometimes teams win in sports because of officiating, so you can't even say they most "deserving" team even wins always.


Maybe so, but I'm sure you'd also agree that DeathProfessor's analysis of StarCraft competition is a gross oversimplification that doesn't do justice to the overwhelming need for skill and decision making, much like any sport.

He's just angry.


I do, I even responsed in kind to that:

On July 21 2013 04:33 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:31 DeathProfessor wrote:
If SC2 was a sport the better player would win every time but its just a game so all you gotta do to win is make like one different building and have no lings where the jerkface 9 pools, yeah some sport, game of pure luck.


Haha I can't even begin to tell you how uniformed you sound (I am refraining form using harsher language). You think in sports the best team always wins??? What universe do you live in?? That is why the games are played and team are not handed the championship at the start of the season because on "paper" they are better. HyuN was favored before the match, and for good reason, he won because of a gamble that Goswser took that did not pay off. Just stop.

Livin' this life like it was written.
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2856
On July 21 2013 04:41 ziggurat wrote:
Are there any major league sports where you can "cheese"? It's true that there are risks and gambles that occur in every sport but is there anything comparable to a build order loss? I can't think of a sport where one team/player can make a good guess before the game even starts and just auto-win.

In boxing you could sucker punch the guy and get a lucky knockout.
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2857
oooh that LAG
n.Die_Jaedong
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 19:43:09
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2858
Both JYP and Lucifron have qualified for DH Winter for those unaware.
Through the seeding matches that took place:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Valencia
Moderatorlickypiddy
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2859
nooooooooooooooo the laggggg
STAHP TWITCH
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
July 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#2860
On July 21 2013 04:41 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2013 04:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 21 2013 04:31 DeathProfessor wrote:
If SC2 was a sport the better player would win every time but its just a game so all you gotta do to win is make like one different building and have no lings where the jerkface 9 pools, yeah some sport, game of pure luck.


Do people actually think like this?


a certain type of person.. the type that doesnt have a well functioning social life

Dumb people can still have dumb friends man...

Some people even say intelligence is inversely related to the amount of friends people have
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