[WCS AM] RO32 Group A Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 25

On July 17 2013 11:13 geokilla wrote:

Ya but those uploads take a while. I believe WCS channel on YouTube is only for WCS America... Can't find WCS Europe/Korea on YouTube.

On July 17 2013 11:01 pigmanbear wrote:

Well if you imagine what your opponent *should* do and give him credit for it, why play at all?

On July 17 2013 11:13 Darthsanta13 wrote:

Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.

A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:

Innovation > Walkover
Major 2-1 Ryung
Innovation 2-0 Major
Ryung > Walkover
Ryung 2-1 Major
Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense)
Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?

On July 17 2013 11:16 Zenbrez wrote:

But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.

edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.

On July 17 2013 11:13 Darthsanta13 wrote:

Except were the order of the series reversed

On July 17 2013 11:31 Bagration wrote:


DM; RA
Doesn't matter; Ryung advanced

Seriously though, there's nothing significantly wrong with the format. It's not excessively unfair (seeding is more important), and few have had issue with it before.

On July 17 2013 11:38 FeyFey wrote:


It is just trend to complain about tournament systems, must be because osl and mlg were so close together. Now everyone who didn't thought about this stuff before is looking into it and sees the flaws of each system and demands perfection.
But perfection would need time and we would only have 1 WCS each year.

Double elim groups are just a few more games over single elimination and fit in a day of broadcast by using bo3, which are needed for sc2 right now to prevent Bo and map wins from playing a to huge role in the advancement. And so far not many walkovers managed to get into the ro8 through the ro32 and 16 groups.
I simply like them because the fate is only in the hand of the player and not others. But OSL this season shows every single horror a true group system could provide, atleast if Fantasy loses to Rain and the tie breakers going into coinflip.

On July 17 2013 11:57 dangthatsright wrote:


Doesn't OSL tiebreak with actual games?

On July 17 2013 11:13 Darthsanta13 wrote:

Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.

A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:

Innovation > Walkover
Major 2-1 Ryung
Innovation 2-0 Major
Ryung > Walkover
Ryung 2-1 Major
Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense)
Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?

On July 17 2013 13:54 dcemuser wrote:


Yes, but they ignore map score completely and only use head to head, which is an awful idea statistically speaking. One of the staff members has written some excellent blogs on it.