Ryung spawns in the 10 o'clock position. MajOr spawns in the 5 o'clock position. Both players going for 1-1-1 and then CC. Ryung making cloak banshees. MajOr makes viking and raven to defend against banshees and follows with cloak banshees of his own. MajOr gets his third first at the 7th o'clock position and makes lots of blue flame hellions. Ryung tries to control the center with marines and tanks, but MajOr's mobility allows him to pick off a few marines while he builds his mech army. Two prong hellbat drops from MajOr is successfully defended with minimal damage as MajOr messed up the execution. Ryung trying to find a way to engage, but MajOr's defensive position is too strong. Small engagement outside MajOr's third goes his way and he pushes out to take out Ryung's fourth. MajOr keeps rolling into Ryung's third at the 1 o'clock position. Ryung tries to get around the contain to go for a counter, but MajOr is well defended. Ryung is down to only his natural, but manages to retake his third. He's still down 50 supply and forced to lift his 4th base at the 9 o'clock. MajOr positions himself again outside of Ryung's 3rd allowing Ryung to retake his 4th. MajOr kills the 3rd base once again. Ryung tries to counter attack, but MajOr cleans it up and Ryung gg's.
Ryung spawns at the 7 o'clock position. MajOr spawns at the 1 o'clock position. MajOr opens with two reapers and then a CC on the low ground. Ryung goes for a 1-1-1 once again with cloaked banshees before getting his CC. MajOr tries a hellion runby but Ryung was able to defend easily. Ryung's banshee doesn't do much damage either. Both players playing passively using the same composition as the previous game. Ryung takes his 6 o'clock third base and MajOr takes the 12 o'clock. Ryung pushes out to MajOr's third, but loses his entire army decisively. At the same time MajOr drops hellbats into Ryung's third and main to disrupt mining. MajOr is now taking a position right outside of Ryung's third. MajOr's position is too strong and Ryung is forced to lift his third and concede his position. MajOr takes his 4th and eventually loses his contain. Ryung also takes his fourth at the 9 o'clock. MajOr sieges up once again right outside of Ryung's third. Ryung tries to break the contain, but loses his army and he gg's.
Nestea spawns in the top left and Jim spawns in the bottom right. Jim goes for a gateway expand but Nestea delays it with a proxy hatchery in Jim's natural. Jim follows up his expansion with 5 gate pressure. Nestea drops 4 additional spines and starts massing lings but his speed is not finished as the attack starts. Jim attacks into the natural before all of the spines finish. Nestea loses all of his lings as the spines finally finish and Jim powers through the natural killing off all of the spines. Nestea has to gg. Jim takes game 1
Game 2: NesTea spawns in the bottom left and Jim spawns in the bottom right. Nestea opts for a hatch first while Jim chooses gateway expand, again. Nestea builds a proxy hatch in Jim's natural. Jim follows up his gateway expand with robo tech going into immortals. Nestea gets a lair while on 2 bases. Jim pushes out with 2 immortals and a gateway army. Nestea is building an infestation pit. As he sees Jim moving out he drops 5 additional spines Jim attacks befor speed and the spines finish. Nestea starts building swarmhosts during the attack and Jim loses his MSC after dropping 2 timewarps. swarmhosts begin spawning as Jim moves into the natural but he immediately gives on top of them and kills them off. Jim forcefields the main ramp to block locusts while he kills off the natural. Jim moves into the main finishing off the swarm hosts and warps units in until Nestea ggs. Jim takes the series 2-0!
MajOr spawns in the bottom left while Jim spawns in the top right. Major goes for a reaper expand while Jim goes for a mothership core expand. Jim's tech choice is stargate but he fails to deny the reaper scout. Jim opens oracle from his stargate and makes a robo. Major starts producing a widow mine after scouting the stargate. The oracle only gets 1 kill before being chased away by marines and a widow mine. Major counters with a marine widow mine drop that kills 4 workers. Jim techs up to colossus while getting a few phoenixes for map control and drop defense. Major goes for a standard bio comp and gets a 2nd starport. Major stays on 2 base for a long time while Jim grabs a 3rd and starts double upgrades. Major pulls a bunch of scvs and moves across the map as his 1-1 finishes. the armies engage outside of the natural of Jim. Major's army is crushed as phoenixes kill all of the vikings while colossi are still alive. Phoenixes lift up tons of units and Major is cleaned up and ggs. Jim takes game 1!
MajOr spawns in the top left while Jim spawns in the bottom right. MajOr fast expands with 2 rax behind it. Jim goes for a gateway first and sends his zealot and stalker across the map right away while expanding behind the pressure. Jim gets a fast +1 armor and makes 4 more gateways but a reaper gets a full scout of his base. Major goes up to 5 rax after scouting. Major only has 1 bunker as Jim attacks and it falls right away before repair can be used. Jim has a pylon in the natural of Major. Major pulls his scvs to defend but Jim has a much larger army supply. Jim just runs over Major's meager defenses and Major has to gg. Jim wins 2-0 and advances to the Ro16!
Ryung spawns in the bottom left and NesTea spawns in the bottom right. Ryung goes for a CC first on the high ground and NesTea chooses to go 3 hatch before pool. Ryung builds a 3rd CC after his factory. Ryung goes for a cloak banshee follow up after his 3rd CC while Nestea drones like mad behind just queens. Nestea takes a 4th while Ryung starts attacking wtih his first cloakshee and hellions. Nestea has no detection ready and loses his queens in the natural. Ryung gets double upgrades behind his attack and adds on more infrastructure. Nestea holds off the pressure and maintains a 20 worker lead and goes for spire. Ryung transitions into a bio mine composition as he lands his 3rd base. Ryung pushes out and Nestea goes for a ling baneling backstab. Banelings kill a bunch of workers in the natural. Nestea is at 93 workers (39 more than Ryung). Nestea comes out to meet the main army of Ryung and the armies trade. Nestea is just flooding out zerglings 60 at a time while getting an infestation pit. Ryung redirects his attack focus to the 4th of Nestea and kills the base. Nestea decides to counter attack but is not cost efficient in his trades. Nestea double expands and both armies attack each others' bases. Nestea kills the 4th of Ryung and Ryung forces a cancel on Nestea's north expansion. Ryung keeps pressuring and kills the ultralisk cavern with a drop. The point of contention continues to be Nestea's 4th base. Nestea finally shoves back the forces of Ryung with his ling muta bane. Ryung drps below 100 supply and Nestea just rallies units across the map. Nestea throws away all his mutas to spawning marines and transitions into ultra infestor. Nutlipronged harass from Ryung takes out Nestea's 4th and building 5th. Nestea counter attacks the 4th of Ryung with his infestor ultra army but loses everything without taking out the PF. Ryung counterattacks and Nestea has nothing left. Nestea ggs!
Ryung spawns in the bottom right and NesTea spawns in the top left. Ryung opens CC first on the high ground vs. a hatch first for Nestea. Nestea takes a 3rd base and techs up to spire. Ryung begins with hellbat drops and bio mine. Nestea sends a queen across the map and starts dropping creep at the 3rd of Ryung with an overlord. the queen drops a bunch of creep tumors at the future 3rd of Ryung. Ryung begins hellbat dropping but it doesn't do much damage. The hellbat drop does some damage until mutas spawn and shut it down. Ryung sees creep arriving at his natural so he takes his 3rd at the 4 o clock base. Ryung moves across the map with his army to clean up creep. Nestea counter attacks and forces a lift on the 3rd CC. Banelings connect heavily with the army of Ryung. Nestea tries to kill the floating 3rd but loses some mutas to marines before retreating and failing to kill it. Ryung maintains a supply lead throughout these engagements. Ryung takes a 40 supply lead by the 17 minute mark as Nestea throws away more banelings for no kills. Nestea harasses the 3rd and main of Ryung with his mutas while trying to take a 4th. Ryung just walks across the map with his larger army and kills Nestea's 4th. Ryung finishes 3-3 before Nestea gets an infestation pit. Nestea counter attacks the 3rd of Ryung as Ryung pushes Nestea's natural. Ryung sends his army home but loses his 3rd base. Nestea also forces a cancel on Ryung's 4th and escapes with all of his mutas. Creep is still blocking the other 2 expansions on Ryung's side of the map. Ryung floats his main orbital to take a new 3rd. Zergbong runs all of his banelings into a thor. Both players deny each others' 4th again. Nestea has a large supply lead but engages with his army in fragments losing all of his lings before banelings arrive and banelings killing close to nothing. 40 mutas of Nestea start camping Ryung's production. widow mine hits every muta of nestea. Ryung goes for an attack after the mutas get damaged but Nestea crushes it with his lings and banes. Nestea counter attacks and loses most of his units. Ryung counter attacks the counter attack. Nestea pulls all his drones at his 4th to defend and loses them. Nestea loses all of his mutas and ggs! Ryung wins 2-0!
Game 1: MajOr spawns in the top right and Ryung spawns in the bottom left. Major opens up with 2 rax reaper with 1 makarax in his natural. Ryung opens rax, CC, factory. Major loses his first reaper with 0 kills and no scouting information and decides not to go into Ryung's main with his other 4 reapers. Major expands after his reaper opening fails. Both players tech up to starport and make a viking. Both players follow their viking with a raven. Mech vs. Mech. Both players research blue flame. Major goes for single armory upgrades while Ryung decides to go double armory. Both players macro up to a max army with minimal harass. There is a big engagement on the right side of the map with both armies trading but Major losing more. Ryung loses 20 workers to a blue flame hellbat drop but stays 10 supply ahead. After establishing 4 bases Ryung begins the air transition making a fusion core and 2 extra starports. Major begins his air trainsition slightly later adding on 2 staports as well. Major loses his few vikings to the 10 vikings of Ryung. Battlecruiser production begins for Ryung as well as +1 ship weapons as his +3 armor is already finished. Major is far behind in air upgrades just starting his 2nd armory. Ryung trades away his ground army while building air. Major is making a viking raven force. Ryung reveals his BCs but isn't able to break Major's defenses right away. More vikings rally in for Ryung and as the ravens run out of energy Ryung starts to break through. Major has to gg. Ryung wins game 1!
Game 2: MajOr spawns in the bottom right and Ryung spawns in the top left. Major opens fast double gas into 1-1-1 whil Ryung goes for a CC after gas before getting his factory. Major goes for cloak banshee and Ryung goes for reactored hellions. Viking first from the starport for Ryung after scanning and seeing Major's starport with researching tech lab. Major loses his banshee to a widow mine with 0 kills. Major moves out for a 16 marine 1 tank raven attack while Ryung has just hellions and a raven. Ryung pulls scvs from his natural to help defend but Ryung doesn't have enough. Major takes a 20 supply lead and starts attacking the natural CC. Ryung pulls more scvs from his main but a 2nd tank shows up. Ryung ggs and Major sends it to game 3!
Game 3: Ryung spawns in the bottom right and MajOr spawns in the top left. Gas first for Ryung with a quick factory. Major goes straight to starport off 2 gas. Ryung goes for a fast medivac while Major starts researching cloak and building a banshee. Ryung's drop is chased away by marines and does no damage. Both players follow up their first starport unit with a raven. Major loses his banshee with 3 scv kills and Ryung's CC finishes much earlier. Both players follow up their openings with marine tank. Major looks to pressure the natural of Ryung but Ryung has enough units out to deter his push. Ryung's 3rd CC finishes as Major starts his. Ryung begins double bio upgrades as Major adds on 2 additional factories and transitions into mech. Ryung goes for a large drop in the main of Major with marines and tanks but Major is able to defend. Major begins a turret ring around his main base. Ryung denies the 4th base of Major with a drop and the main armies engage near Major's 3rd killing most of the hellbats. Armies engage on the left side of the map and Major is forced back. A bio force runs up the right side of the map and kills Major's 3rd. Major ggs and Ryung advances 2-1!
It's pretty sad how little blizzard seems to do to hype days like this up, it wouldn't be hard to get an intern or someone to make sure they have a reddit/LR thread up early and are spamming twitter earlier. Do they even put in game overalls up yet for each day of WCS :/
On July 17 2013 07:00 Laryleprakon wrote: Good luck Nestea/Jim!
It's pretty sad how little blizzard seems to do to hype days like this up, it wouldn't be hard to get an intern or someone to make sure they have a reddit/LR thread up early and are spamming twitter earlier. Do they even put in game overalls up yet for each day of WCS :/
Yeah... What is their IPL-team doing? I seem to remember that they really wanted this to succed. Making a LR-thread is the least you would expect.
On July 17 2013 07:00 Laryleprakon wrote: Good luck Nestea/Jim!
It's pretty sad how little blizzard seems to do to hype days like this up, it wouldn't be hard to get an intern or someone to make sure they have a reddit/LR thread up early and are spamming twitter earlier. Do they even put in game overalls up yet for each day of WCS :/
Yeah... What is their IPL-team doing? I seem to remember that they really wanted this to succed. Making a LR-thread is the least you would expect.
On July 17 2013 07:24 KristofferAG wrote: Look at all that gas banked for both.
not that it matters at this point but I would have liked to see Major maybe get a 2nd armory and maybe a 3rd or 4th starport with all that gas and start getting some air ups and begin an air transition. has the game locked up anyways
Ryung spawns in the 10 o'clock position. MajOr spawns in the 5 o'clock position. Both players going for 1-1-1 and then CC. Ryung making cloak banshees. MajOr makes viking and raven to defend against banshees and follows with cloak banshees of his own. MajOr gets his third first at the 7th o'clock position and makes lots of blue flame hellions. Ryung tries to control the center with marines and tanks, but MajOr's mobility allows him to pick off a few marines while he builds his mech army. Two prong hellbat drops from MajOr is successfully defended with minimal damage as MajOr messed up the execution. Ryung trying to find a way to engage, but MajOr's defensive position is too strong. Small engagement outside MajOr's third goes his way and he pushes out to take out Ryung's fourth. MajOr keeps rolling into Ryung's third at the 1 o'clock position. Ryung tries to get around the contain to go for a counter, but MajOr is well defended. Ryung is down to only his natural, but eventually manages to retake his third with MajOr not reinforcing the contain. He's still down 50 supply and forced to lift his 4th base at the 9 o'clock. MajOr positions himself again outside of Ryung's 3rd allowing Ryung to retake his 4th. MajOr kills the 3rd base once again. Ryung tries to counter attack, but MajOr cleans it up and Ryung gg's.
On July 17 2013 07:29 Tertyshny wrote: 1st game was beautiful. What a great bio vs mech clash. TvT is back in all it's beauty and even more exciting. I love Starcraft
not sure whats the bigger troll. casters calling it even when 1 player is miles ahead, or the 2 player lists in the single UI showing the player names the opposite way around.
Ryung spawns at the 7 o'clock position. MajOr spawns at the 1 o'clock position. MajOr opens with two reapers and then a CC on the low ground. Ryung goes for a 1-1-1 once again with cloaked banshees before getting his CC. MajOr tries a hellion runby but Ryung was able to defend easily. Ryung's banshee doesn't do much damage either. Both players playing passively using the same composition as the previous game. Ryung takes his 6 o'clock third base and MajOr takes the 12 o'clock. Ryung pushes out to MajOr's third, but loses his entire army decisively. At the same time MajOr drops hellbats into Ryung's third and main to disrupt mining. MajOr is now taking a position right outside of Ryung's third. MajOr's position is too strong and Ryung is forced to lift his third and concede his position. MajOr takes his 4th and eventually loses his contain. Ryung also takes his fourth at the 9 o'clock. MajOr sieges up once again right outside of Ryung's third. Ryung tries to break the contain, but loses his army and he gg's.
On July 17 2013 07:55 zeratul_jf wrote: poor Ryung went from being a beast in TvT to losing to foreigners, only due to the fact that mech> than anything now thanks to hellbats.
On July 17 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote: Well, it took since 2011 of hearing Major was supposedly good to finally see a half decent game.
"half decent" lol
Okay, "good". Whatever adjustive I used was not the point of the post. Been bombing out of every tournament very early since I can remember in Wings (safe winning WCS Mexico, which has like 1 other good player)
On July 17 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote: Well, it took since 2011 of hearing Major was supposedly good to finally see a half decent game.
"half decent" lol
Okay, "good". Whatever adjustive I used was not the point of the post. Been bombing out of every tournament very early since I can remember in Wings (safe winning WCS Mexico, which has like 1 other good player)
Most people have a long period of bombing out of everything before getting good results.
On July 17 2013 07:59 Greendotz wrote: Normally top10/top5 lists are pretty bad and only include 1 or 2 notable plays, but the WCS top 5's are always awesome. The IPL guys do a good job.
#4 was a proxy two gate that wasnt even particularly impressive and #3 was a cannon rush. the production value's good, but having two unspectacular cheeses in a top 5 plays is kinda stupid
On July 17 2013 07:59 Greendotz wrote: Normally top10/top5 lists are pretty bad and only include 1 or 2 notable plays, but the WCS top 5's are always awesome. The IPL guys do a good job.
#4 was a proxy two gate that wasnt even particularly impressive and #3 was a cannon rush. the production value's good, but having two unspectacular cheeses in a top 5 plays is kinda stupid
Nestea spawns in the top left and Jim spawns in the bottom right. Jim goes for a gateway expand but Nestea delays it with a proxy hatchery in Jim's natural. Jim follows up his expansion with 5 gate pressure. Nestea drops 4 additional spines and starts massing lings but his speed is not finished as the attack starts. Jim attacks into the natural before all of the spines finish. Nestea loses all of his lings as the spines finally finish and Jim powers through the natural killing off all of the spines. Nestea has to gg. Jim takes game 1
On July 17 2013 07:59 Greendotz wrote: Normally top10/top5 lists are pretty bad and only include 1 or 2 notable plays, but the WCS top 5's are always awesome. The IPL guys do a good job.
#4 was a proxy two gate that wasnt even particularly impressive and #3 was a cannon rush. the production value's good, but having two unspectacular cheeses in a top 5 plays is kinda stupid
Agreed with the proxy 2 gate one. I mean putting it right at Hero's front door was so brazen but even so, nothing special. The cannon rush however looked really good, pretty much all the cannons placed to minimise surface area and those two clutch blocks were awesome. I actually noticed in WCS EU today Grubby also cannon rushed Vortix and placed the cannons in pretty much the same place.
On July 17 2013 08:10 Xaeldaren wrote: Jesus christ these map intros are incredible. I heard it was Blizzard producing the RO32 for NASL. Is that true?
Yes this is the Blizzard(ex IPL crew) production. Bitterdam just offered to cast the Ro 32
On July 17 2013 07:59 Greendotz wrote: Normally top10/top5 lists are pretty bad and only include 1 or 2 notable plays, but the WCS top 5's are always awesome. The IPL guys do a good job.
#4 was a proxy two gate that wasnt even particularly impressive and #3 was a cannon rush. the production value's good, but having two unspectacular cheeses in a top 5 plays is kinda stupid
Agreed with the proxy 2 gate one. I mean putting it right at Hero's front door was so brazen but even so, nothing special. The cannon rush however looked really good, pretty much all the cannons placed to minimise surface area and those two clutch blocks were awesome. I actually noticed in WCS EU today Grubby also cannon rushed Vortix and placed the cannons in pretty much the same place.
i'll agree that it was really solidly executed, and sOs deserves props for doing something that risky in such a high stakes game vs. the best zerg in the world. but i don't think it was worthy of being included in a top 5 feature that presumably covers all 3 regions of wcs starcraft. more likely they didnt look hard enough for great plays and decided to just choose that cannon rush because it was a high profile game and it was effective.
Game 2: NesTea spawns in the bottom left and Jim spawns in the bottom right. Nestea opts for a hatch first while Jim chooses gateway expand, again. Nestea builds a proxy hatch in Jim's natural. Jim follows up his gateway expand with robo tech going into immortals. Nestea gets a lair while on 2 bases. Jim pushes out with 2 immortals and a gateway army. Nestea is building an infestation pit. As he sees Jim moving out he drops 5 additional spines Jim attacks befor speed and the spines finish. Nestea starts building swarmhosts during the attack and Jim loses his MSC after dropping 2 timewarps. swarmhosts begin spawning as Jim moves into the natural but he immediately gives on top of them and kills them off. Jim forcefields the main ramp to block locusts while he kills off the natural. Jim moves into the main finishing off the swarm hosts and warps units in until Nestea ggs. Jim takes the series 2-0!
On July 17 2013 08:17 PhoenixVoid wrote: Big upsets today, didn't expect the two Koreans to lose 0-2.
I did in Nesteas case. He's just not the same. Not even close. :/
Yeah. Nestea losing doesn't really surprise me. I picked Jim and Ryung to advance, so I was a little surprised to see Ryung lose, but MajOr definitely played better in the first series.
MajOr spawns in the bottom left while Jim spawns in the top right. Major goes for a reaper expand while Jim goes for a mothership core expand. Jim's tech choice is stargate but he fails to deny the reaper scout. Jim opens oracle from his stargate and makes a robo. Major starts producing a widow mine after scouting the stargate. The oracle only gets 1 kill before being chased away by marines and a widow mine. Major counters with a marine widow mine drop that kills 4 workers. Jim techs up to colossus while getting a few phoenixes for map control and drop defense. Major goes for a standard bio comp and gets a 2nd starport. Major stays on 2 base for a long time while Jim grabs a 3rd and starts double upgrades. Major pulls a bunch of scvs and moves across the map as his 1-1 finishes. the armies engage outside of the natural of Jim. Major's army is crushed as phoenixes kill all of the vikings while colossi are still alive. Phoenixes lift up tons of units and Major is cleaned up and ggs. Jim takes game 1!
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
I think all of the Korean Protosses have a good chance against Jim.
MajOr spawns in the top left while Jim spawns in the bottom right. MajOr fast expands with 2 rax behind it. Jim goes for a gateway first and sends his zealot and stalker across the map right away while expanding behind the pressure. Jim gets a fast +1 armor and makes 4 more gateways but a reaper gets a full scout of his base. Major goes up to 5 rax after scouting. Major only has 1 bunker as Jim attacks and it falls right away before repair can be used. Jim has a pylon in the natural of Major. Major pulls his scvs to defend but Jim has a much larger army supply. Jim just runs over Major's meager defenses and Major has to gg. Jim wins 2-0 and advances to the Ro16!
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
I think all of the Korean Protosses have a good chance against Jim.
I don't know why Major wouldn't have dropped a few more bunkers. He saw the gateways being built, he saw the gateway units coming. I consider that more of a throw by major than a great game by Jim.
On July 17 2013 08:53 InstantKarma wrote: This means Jim will be in the studio for the round of 16 right? Is this a first for a chinese player coming to an American live event?
yes Jim is coming to the studio. Xigua played at IPL5
On July 17 2013 08:53 Bagration wrote: Heart of the Swarm came out in China today, and Jim 4-0ing his group. Hopefully China plays a bigger role in HotS than in WoL
The plot thickens. Very devious PR tactics that are being used here.
Jim micro's his aggression quite well but damn Major what were you doing... Scout it several times but don't respond at all.. The timing on that 5 raxes was also strange, those 2 last raxes contributed nothing to that defense. Arguably it;s a bit of a strange timing push, 5? gate +1 armor push of two bases, you don't ever see that but still major should just have had 3-4 bunkers going up there upon seeing jim move out.
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
I think all of the Korean Protosses have a good chance against Jim.
rumor is "pvp is skill" - Oz
If I ever get to interview Oz, I will make every question a trap to force Oz to say PvP and skill in the same sentence.
On July 17 2013 08:53 Prof wrote: I don't know why Major wouldn't have dropped a few more bunkers. He saw the gateways being built, he saw the gateway units coming. I consider that more of a throw by major than a great game by Jim.
A "throw" is losing a game you had a noticeable advantage. He scouted, didn't recognize an attack was coming, and died.
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
I think all of the Korean Protosses have a good chance against Jim.
rumor is "pvp is skill" - Oz
If I ever get to interview Oz, I will make every question a trap to force Oz to say PvP and skill in the same sentence.
In all seriousness he played very well in his PvP yesterday
On July 17 2013 08:40 Aerisky wrote: Super happy to see him doing well and getting all this love :DD he might actually be something of a dark horse :O
Considering Jaedong's and TaeJa's weaknesses are Protoss, if he could dodge Polt and viOLet he could have a shot. Snute, Scarlett, and Jim are probably the foreign dark horses. Maybe mOOnGLaDe, too. He usually exceeds expectations from everyone outside of the Australian community.
I think all of the Korean Protosses have a good chance against Jim.
rumor is "pvp is skill" - Oz
If I ever get to interview Oz, I will make every question a trap to force Oz to say PvP and skill in the same sentence.
In all seriousness he played very well in his PvP yesterday
Yea, respect to him. If you map his skill n PvP it is making a Parabola.
But Nestea is only supposed to turn into zergbong in the late game right? At least that was the case in WOL where he would win a game and then donate all his brood lords....
Ryung spawns in the bottom left and NesTea spawns in the bottom right. Ryung goes for a CC first on the high ground and NesTea chooses to go 3 hatch before pool. Ryung builds a 3rd CC after his factory. Ryung goes for a cloak banshee follow up after his 3rd CC while Nestea drones like mad behind just queens. Nestea takes a 4th while Ryung starts attacking wtih his first cloakshee and hellions. Nestea has no detection ready and loses his queens in the natural. Ryung gets double upgrades behind his attack and adds on more infrastructure. Nestea holds off the pressure and maintains a 20 worker lead and goes for spire. Ryung transitions into a bio mine composition as he lands his 3rd base. Ryung pushes out and Nestea goes for a ling baneling backstab. Banelings kill a bunch of workers in the natural. Nestea is at 93 workers (39 more than Ryung). Nestea comes out to meet the main army of Ryung and the armies trade. Nestea is just flooding out zerglings 60 at a time while getting an infestation pit. Ryung redirects his attack focus to the 4th of Nestea and kills the base. Nestea decides to counter attack but is not cost efficient in his trades. Nestea double expands and both armies attack each others' bases. Nestea kills the 4th of Ryung and Ryung forces a cancel on Nestea's north expansion. Ryung keeps pressuring and kills the ultralisk cavern with a drop. The point of contention continues to be Nestea's 4th base. Nestea finally shoves back the forces of Ryung with his ling muta bane. Ryung drps below 100 supply and Nestea just rallies units across the map. Nestea throws away all his mutas to spawning marines and transitions into ultra infestor. Nutlipronged harass from Ryung takes out Nestea's 4th and building 5th. Nestea counter attacks the 4th of Ryung with his infestor ultra army but loses everything without taking out the PF. Ryung counterattacks and Nestea has nothing left. Nestea ggs!
On July 17 2013 09:18 Thrillz wrote: NesTea is just going to die in the lategame like he always does in TvZ
Well, there's still one difference: In WoL he was one of the only Zerg losing over and over again against Terran late game. In HotS he's in good company getting crushed by Terran late game :-P
On July 17 2013 09:23 Zarahtra wrote: Haha, not sure how Nestea was able to lose from that... Take 5th, attack 4th with mutas rather than trading the mutas with rines, gg :/
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
Ryung spawns in the bottom right and NesTea spawns in the top left. Ryung opens CC first on the high ground vs. a hatch first for Nestea. Nestea takes a 3rd base and techs up to spire. Ryung begins with hellbat drops and bio mine. Nestea sends a queen across the map and starts dropping creep at the 3rd of Ryung with an overlord. the queen drops a bunch of creep tumors at the future 3rd of Ryung. Ryung begins hellbat dropping but it doesn't do much damage. The hellbat drop does some damage until mutas spawn and shut it down. Ryung sees creep arriving at his natural so he takes his 3rd at the 4 o clock base. Ryung moves across the map with his army to clean up creep. Nestea counter attacks and forces a lift on the 3rd CC. Banelings connect heavily with the army of Ryung. Nestea tries to kill the floating 3rd but loses some mutas to marines before retreating and failing to kill it. Ryung maintains a supply lead throughout these engagements. Ryung takes a 40 supply lead by the 17 minute mark as Nestea throws away more banelings for no kills. Nestea harasses the 3rd and main of Ryung with his mutas while trying to take a 4th. Ryung just walks across the map with his larger army and kills Nestea's 4th. Ryung finishes 3-3 before Nestea gets an infestation pit. Nestea counter attacks the 3rd of Ryung as Ryung pushes Nestea's natural. Ryung sends his army home but loses his 3rd base. Nestea also forces a cancel on Ryung's 4th and escapes with all of his mutas. Creep is still blocking the other 2 expansions on Ryung's side of the map. Ryung floats his main orbital to take a new 3rd. Zergbong runs all of his banelings into a thor. Both players deny each others' 4th again. Nestea has a large supply lead but engages with his army in fragments losing all of his lings before banelings arrive and banelings killing close to nothing. 40 mutas of Nestea start camping Ryung's production. widow mine hits every muta of nestea. Ryung goes for an attack after the mutas get damaged but Nestea crushes it with his lings and banes. Nestea counter attacks and loses most of his units. Ryung counter attacks the counter attack. Nestea pulls all his drones at his 4th to defend and loses them. Nestea loses all of his mutas and ggs! Ryung wins 2-0!
Man, Nestea's early/mid game decision making has deteriorated so far.... late game he was doing so well but inability to send a few lings on counter attack to the natural third.
Aw, well this has been a sad season for me in all three realms though with maybe only 1/3rd of the players I favored winning out. Much better production from US though, and EU is still awesome and Ro16 in KR is finally fun to watch again with Bo3. I just want to see the finals now honestly as I don't care who wins each region.
On July 17 2013 09:49 HeavenResign wrote: My jaw dropped watching that hold by Ryung.
Terran so ez, just micro tier 1 unit ;-)
Nah just kidding, Ryung is a beast. I was disappointed by the first game, seeing him getting dismantled by Major, but after that game he made me reestablish my believs in him. But also Nestea threw the game away like he likes to do last couple of months. 40 Mutas and lots of lings/blings and not winning has nothing to do with balance, it is simply a throw as well as meeting your master.
He never could reestablish a 4th base, wasn't going for hive and had no attack upgrades on mutas (which would have helped immensely when picking at buildings i guess)
On July 17 2013 09:51 GTPGlitch wrote: What the hell
Game 1: Nestea looks super ahead after a fight, come back to ryung 1-0
Game 2: Nestea looks super ahead during a fight, manages to lose
Weirdest series... idk how nestea manages to lose those games :/
I don't know about the 2nd game though. For most of that game nestea was really low on cash, just like Ryung. Obviously 40 mutas are insanely annoying to deal with, but I kind of feel they weren't really pointing out enough that nestea was choking himself too, with all the aggression, since he wasn't able to defend his 4th.
Edit: This is not to say he was behind, he was ahead, but I feel he wasn't really as ahead as commentary would lead one to believe
On July 17 2013 09:53 pigmanbear wrote: Why do they do a countdown instead of just saying next game 00:57 GMT or whatever
Well I can only speak for myself, but I like the countdown way more. So often they say the time and then don't bother saying which timezone they are talking about(and simply since I'm lazy ).
Despite the fact that NesTea didn't play very well at some stages of the game: Almost every Zerg right now struggles against this TvZ style as soon as 3/3 finishes. That someone like NesTea whos controls are known to be rather bad struggles even more should not be surprising at all.
On July 17 2013 09:50 pigmanbear wrote: He had some chances to kill all the tanks, etc but aimed for turrets? instead
he did some really weird decision making (besides his awesome ones, else he wouldn't have come back after Ryung so much in the lead). He could also have sniped several buildings but decided not to focus. Also losing 14 Mutas because of not microing properly... hurts
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
On July 17 2013 08:52 Larkin wrote: Don't be racist Mr. Bitter...
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
I imagine you two arguing this matter while sippin on some of that lipton.
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
I imagine you two arguing this matter while sippin on some of that lipton.
Are you just assuming they like tea because they are from the UK? That's profiling
After today Rotterdam and Mr. Bitter are forever muted. If there was an alternative stream to watch these games I would take advantage of that.
What happened?
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
On July 17 2013 10:07 GreenMash wrote: I wish wcs would just have preset maps instead of vetos so the same 3 maps are not played over and over again :/
so you mean like OSL, first map balanced second map horrible favored towards one of the races? I like the fairness of veto system, especially since someone preparing for the rare maps has a huge advantage and can play mind games in the vetoing.
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name isn't even Jim only his nickname and they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
On July 17 2013 08:57 AlternativeEgo wrote: [quote]
Bitter mentioned dim sum. Now I aint personally offended but I'm gonna flip some shit if someone mentions meatballs in the same sentence as Sweden.
Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
On July 17 2013 08:59 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Wait, he brought up dim sum? What a total prick
On July 17 2013 09:00 Bagration wrote:
Seriously? It has to be more than that to get people upset...
Then again, maybe not
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
Game 1: MajOr spawns in the top right and Ryung spawns in the bottom left. Major opens up with 2 rax reaper with 1 makarax in his natural. Ryung opens rax, CC, factory. Major loses his first reaper with 0 kills and no scouting information and decides not to go into Ryung's main with his other 4 reapers. Major expands after his reaper opening fails. Both players tech up to starport and make a viking. Both players follow their viking with a raven. Mech vs. Mech. Both players research blue flame. Major goes for single armory upgrades while Ryung decides to go double armory. Both players macro up to a max army with minimal harass. There is a big engagement on the right side of the map with both armies trading but Major losing more. Ryung loses 20 workers to a blue flame hellbat drop but stays 10 supply ahead. After establishing 4 bases Ryung begins the air transition making a fusion core and 2 extra starports. Major begins his air trainsition slightly later adding on 2 staports as well. Major loses his few vikings to the 10 vikings of Ryung. Battlecruiser production begins for Ryung as well as +1 ship weapons as his +3 armor is already finished. Major is far behind in air upgrades just starting his 2nd armory. Ryung trades away his ground army while building air. Major is making a viking raven force. Ryung reveals his BCs but isn't able to break Major's defenses right away. More vikings rally in for Ryung and as the ravens run out of energy Ryung starts to break through. Major has to gg. Ryung wins game 1!
He rhymed it with Jim Son, or something, which is offensive racial profiling. "Haha, Chinese, dim sum, haha."
On the food note, Apollo mentioned his love of Swedish meatballs in the WCS EU broadcast earlier. But that wasn't offensive.
Back on topic, good to see Ryung win that game. Nestea was so cost inefficient.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: IT'S OK GUYS WE GOT RYUNG SOME COFFEE. HE CAN PLAY STARCRAFT NOW
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: IT'S OK GUYS WE GOT RYUNG SOME COFFEE. HE CAN PLAY STARCRAFT NOW
CAFFEINE IS A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG OMG
Don't celebrate so early, still 1-2 TvT mechs left :D
So we're at halftime. Everyone go grab a beverage (or a coffee!).
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: IT'S OK GUYS WE GOT RYUNG SOME COFFEE. HE CAN PLAY STARCRAFT NOW
CAFFEINE IS A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG OMG
Don't celebrate so early, still 1-2 TvT mechs left :D
If it goes to game 3 and it is newkirk I might just leave
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
On July 17 2013 10:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: IT'S OK GUYS WE GOT RYUNG SOME COFFEE. HE CAN PLAY STARCRAFT NOW
CAFFEINE IS A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG OMG
Don't celebrate so early, still 1-2 TvT mechs left :D
If it goes to game 3 and it is newkirk I might just leave
Shit, if that happens, I'm going to either have to do homework or watch the All Star game. Eww.
He also mentioned British curry and French baguettes. I may have to go and make a reddit post about clenched my butthole is from all this offencisive racialism on the internetz, right after I twitter all the sponsors :X
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
Game 2: MajOr spawns in the bottom right and Ryung spawns in the top left. Major opens fast double gas into 1-1-1 whil Ryung goes for a CC after gas before getting his factory. Major goes for cloak banshee and Ryung goes for reactored hellions. Viking first from the starport for Ryung after scanning and seeing Major's starport with researching tech lab. Major loses his banshee to a widow mine with 0 kills. Major moves out for a 16 marine 1 tank raven attack while Ryung has just hellions and a raven. Ryung pulls scvs from his natural to help defend but Ryung doesn't have enough. Major takes a 20 supply lead and starts attacking the natural CC. Ryung pulls more scvs from his main but a 2nd tank shows up. Ryung ggs and Major sends it to game 3!
On July 17 2013 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am so glad the broadcasts are much shorter this season. There was just too much downtime in season 1. These ~4 hour broadcasts are so much better than the 6 hour ones
Don't be so immature. It's a simple case of avoiding racial profiling, whether the intent is to be offensive or not. There's no overreaction beyond "come on man... that's not really on, is it?"
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
lol, perhaps you should stop been so damn serious? This isn't a small issue, it's a complete non-issue.
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
His name is JIn, and that's not my definition, that's what racism actually is by any reasonable person's definition. So now, i would like to opt out of further discussion as this is infuriating
Racism is a serious issue. I don't think you're going to disagree that racism is wrong. So why are you even bothering to argue? Let's just watch the last series and enjoy it. Go Ryung!
If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
His name is JIn, and that's not my definition, that's what racism actually is by any reasonable person's definition. So now, i would like to opt out of further discussion as this is infuriating
Curse these blasted liberals and their constant attacks against prejudice and discrimination, eh?
On July 17 2013 10:03 Zarahtra wrote: [quote] If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
His name is JIn, and that's not my definition, that's what racism actually is by any reasonable person's definition. So now, i would like to opt out of further discussion as this is infuriating
Curse these blasted liberals and their constant attacks against prejudice and discrimination, eh?
On July 17 2013 10:03 Zarahtra wrote: [quote] If you are going to be calling that racism I think you're going to wear that word thin pretty fast. I mean I get igloo and polar bear jokes every now and then, hardly racism, just chuckle and move on.
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
His name is JIn, and that's not my definition, that's what racism actually is by any reasonable person's definition. So now, i would like to opt out of further discussion as this is infuriating
Curse these blasted liberals and their constant attacks against prejudice and discrimination, eh?
It's more making a joke isn't being racist. It's people like you that are really annoying who take everything that is obviously a joke as racism. You are pathetic.
Game 3: Ryung spawns in the bottom right and MajOr spawns in the top left. Gas first for Ryung with a quick factory. Major goes straight to starport off 2 gas. Ryung goes for a fast medivac while Major starts researching cloak and building a banshee. Ryung's drop is chased away by marines and does no damage. Both players follow up their first starport unit with a raven. Major loses his banshee with 3 scv kills and Ryung's CC finishes much earlier. Both players follow up their openings with marine tank. Major looks to pressure the natural of Ryung but Ryung has enough units out to deter his push. Ryung's 3rd CC finishes as Major starts his. Ryung begins double bio upgrades as Major adds on 2 additional factories and transitions into mech. Ryung goes for a large drop in the main of Major with marines and tanks but Major is able to defend. Major begins a turret ring around his main base. Ryung denies the 4th base of Major with a drop and the main armies engage near Major's 3rd killing most of the hellbats. Armies engage on the left side of the map and Major is forced back. A bio force runs up the right side of the map and kills Major's 3rd. Major ggs and Ryung advances 2-1!
On July 17 2013 10:55 pigmanbear wrote: Huh, left a bit early, no?
Yeah, definitely since his WCS run was on the line. But he just had a bad engagement with his main army, lost his 3rd, and Ryung was on 5 bases. He was behind significantly, but not out yet.
On July 17 2013 10:55 pigmanbear wrote: Huh, left a bit early, no?
Yeah, definitely since his WCS run was on the line. But he just had a bad engagement with his main army, lost his 3rd, and Ryung was on 5 bases. He was behind significantly, but not out yet.
Great bio play by Ryung though
Still why not give your opponent time to make some mistakes
It's not about stereotypes, it's about mocking his name. Saying that Jim Son sounds like Dim Sum. That's racist. Simple.
Are you going to argue, that Jim doesn't rhyme with Dim? His real name is Jin Hui Cao and his nickname is only Jim, they added the son. There is just nothing racist there, it was just a stupid rhyme -_-
I dunno man, that seems pretty offensive to me. Maybe I just don't like racism and don't want it to grow in any form.
Did you miss tea time today? If you don't want racism to grow stop calling stupid meaningless things racism
lol, that's not racist.
Mocking someones' name by likening it to a stereotypical food from the same nation is racist. Like the Jade Goody - 'Shilpa Poppadom' scandal a few years back.
Citing a stereotype is just profiling.
That wasn't racist either. You are trivializing real racism which is claiming that black people have smaller brains or that another race is inferior or your race is superior and the harmful effects of it. Making a bad rhyme based on a food in someone's country that rhymes with there id, not even their real name is not racist.
His real name is Jim.
Okay, it doesn't fit your definition of racism. Doesn't stop it from being patronising and offensive.
His name is JIn, and that's not my definition, that's what racism actually is by any reasonable person's definition. So now, i would like to opt out of further discussion as this is infuriating
Curse these blasted liberals and their constant attacks against prejudice and discrimination, eh?
It's more making a joke isn't being racist. It's people like you that are really annoying who take everything that is obviously a joke as racism. You are pathetic.
If someone takes offense to a joke, regardless of how innocent it may have been, it's pathetic?
Well played Ryung! Guess he just needed warming up...
On July 17 2013 10:55 pigmanbear wrote: Huh, left a bit early, no?
Yeah, definitely since his WCS run was on the line. But he just had a bad engagement with his main army, lost his 3rd, and Ryung was on 5 bases. He was behind significantly, but not out yet.
Great bio play by Ryung though
Still why not give your opponent time to make some mistakes
I agree, I think he should have stayed longer, but he was certainly in a very tough spot.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:
Innovation > Walkover Major 2-1 Ryung Innovation 2-0 Major Ryung > Walkover Ryung 2-1 Major Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense) Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.
edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:
Innovation > Walkover Major 2-1 Ryung Innovation 2-0 Major Ryung > Walkover Ryung 2-1 Major Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense) Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?
DM; RA Doesn't matter; Ryung advanced
Seriously though, there's nothing significantly wrong with the format. It's not excessively unfair (seeding is more important), and few have had issue with it before.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.
edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.
It is just trend to complain about tournament systems, must be because osl and mlg were so close together. Now everyone who didn't thought about this stuff before is looking into it and sees the flaws of each system and demands perfection. But perfection would need time and we would only have 1 WCS each year.
Double elim groups are just a few more games over single elimination and fit in a day of broadcast by using bo3, which are needed for sc2 right now to prevent Bo and map wins from playing a to huge role in the advancement. And so far not many walkovers managed to get into the ro8 through the ro32 and 16 groups. I simply like them because the fate is only in the hand of the player and not others. But OSL this season shows every single horror a true group system could provide, atleast if Fantasy loses to Rain and the tie breakers going into coinflip.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:
Innovation > Walkover Major 2-1 Ryung Innovation 2-0 Major Ryung > Walkover Ryung 2-1 Major Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense) Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?
DM; RA Doesn't matter; Ryung advanced
Seriously though, there's nothing significantly wrong with the format. It's not excessively unfair (seeding is more important), and few have had issue with it before.
He has made a whole thread about it. That is how the format works. Each series is taken individually. You can't start taking overall record when a format isn't a "season" that entire record matters.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.
edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.
It is just trend to complain about tournament systems, must be because osl and mlg were so close together. Now everyone who didn't thought about this stuff before is looking into it and sees the flaws of each system and demands perfection. But perfection would need time and we would only have 1 WCS each year.
Double elim groups are just a few more games over single elimination and fit in a day of broadcast by using bo3, which are needed for sc2 right now to prevent Bo and map wins from playing a to huge role in the advancement. And so far not many walkovers managed to get into the ro8 through the ro32 and 16 groups. I simply like them because the fate is only in the hand of the player and not others. But OSL this season shows every single horror a true group system could provide, atleast if Fantasy loses to Rain and the tie breakers going into coinflip.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.
edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.
It is just trend to complain about tournament systems, must be because osl and mlg were so close together. Now everyone who didn't thought about this stuff before is looking into it and sees the flaws of each system and demands perfection. But perfection would need time and we would only have 1 WCS each year.
Double elim groups are just a few more games over single elimination and fit in a day of broadcast by using bo3, which are needed for sc2 right now to prevent Bo and map wins from playing a to huge role in the advancement. And so far not many walkovers managed to get into the ro8 through the ro32 and 16 groups. I simply like them because the fate is only in the hand of the player and not others. But OSL this season shows every single horror a true group system could provide, atleast if Fantasy loses to Rain and the tie breakers going into coinflip.
Doesn't OSL tiebreak with actual games?
Yes, but they ignore map score completely and only use head to head, which is an awful idea statistically speaking. One of the staff members has written some excellent blogs on it.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
A good example of how nonsense it can be is thinking instead of Jim we have Innovation, and instead of Nestea, we have a walkover. So then we have:
Innovation > Walkover Major 2-1 Ryung Innovation 2-0 Major Ryung > Walkover Ryung 2-1 Major Innovation advances with a 2-0 (makes sense) Ryung advances with a 2-3 while Major is eliminated with a 3-2?
If Jim is that scary, like Innovation, Major has the option to lose against Ryung in the first match, avoiding Jim and preserving his best TvT strats at the same time right? We could even conjecture that Ryung did just that.
On July 17 2013 10:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Fucking hell it happened again. He went 3-2 against Ryung and is eliminated while Ryung moves on.
Doesn't matter. Ryung 2-0ed his other match, while Major lost 0-2 his other series.
Except were the order of the series reversed, Major and Ryung probably would've met a second time anyway. So basically Ryung gets gifted an easier opponent than Major and moves on over someone he has a losing record to. I don't see how this isn't a bigger deal to people, especially with it happening twice in WCS EU already with Mana advancing over TLO 2-3 and duckdeok advancing over DIMAGA 2-3.
But it's not reversed. It is what it is. Major went 1-2 in matches, Ryung went 2-1. Requirement to move on is to win 2 matches. There's no need to give scenarios that require new rules to the tournament format to make a point.
edit - Also, I thought people agreed extended series sucks and should not be used.
It is just trend to complain about tournament systems, must be because osl and mlg were so close together. Now everyone who didn't thought about this stuff before is looking into it and sees the flaws of each system and demands perfection. But perfection would need time and we would only have 1 WCS each year.
Double elim groups are just a few more games over single elimination and fit in a day of broadcast by using bo3, which are needed for sc2 right now to prevent Bo and map wins from playing a to huge role in the advancement. And so far not many walkovers managed to get into the ro8 through the ro32 and 16 groups. I simply like them because the fate is only in the hand of the player and not others. But OSL this season shows every single horror a true group system could provide, atleast if Fantasy loses to Rain and the tie breakers going into coinflip.
Doesn't OSL tiebreak with actual games?
Yes, but they ignore map score completely and only use head to head, which is an awful idea statistically speaking. One of the staff members has written some excellent blogs on it.
yeah but it was some tiny minuscule difference in the end though
Jim really surprised me there with his first place in the group.. gotta watch the vods and see if he was impressive or his opponents were playing bad. And ryung barely making it.. he should have topped this group easily!
Basically what bothers me about the format is this: in a group of four players, do I think that the player who has a losing record to the best player in the group and a winning record against the second or third best player in the group is less worthy of advancing than the player who beat the worst player in the group and has a losing record against the second or third best player in the group? Not at all.
I realize it doesn't happen often and honestly gsl-style groups have significant advantages over probably pretty much every other format. It just bothers me when stuff like this happens, no matter who it happens to.
Also I didn't make that thread about this format but I think the point the thread creator and I made is worth being thought about.
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Nestea spawns in the top left and 
Jim spawns in the bottom right. Jim goes for a gateway expand but Nestea delays it with a proxy hatchery in Jim's natural. Jim follows up his expansion with 5 gate pressure. Nestea drops 4 additional spines and starts massing lings but his speed is not finished as the attack starts. Jim attacks into the natural before all of the spines finish. Nestea loses all of his lings as the spines finally finish and Jim powers through the natural killing off all of the spines. Nestea has to gg. Jim takes game 1
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