• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:43
CEST 00:43
KST 07:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers13Maestros of the Game 2 announced82026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator Data needed
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2567 users

[WCS EU] RO32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 28

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 26 27 28 29 30 48 Next All
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#541
I love casters "strategies" ^^ Keep em coming Apollo!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#542
The trick to beating Apollo's proxy is to just roach speedling bust him. That's what I did.
Moderator
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#543
MIND GAMES from apollo and kaelaris
MMA and Alive you are the best! | Goodbye ST_Sound ~
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#544
On July 17 2013 03:44 Greendotz wrote:
a three week break between the RO32 and RO16? Why so long?


Summer holidays maybe.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#545
On July 17 2013 03:45 packrat386 wrote:
how has it been going so far? missed the first few games.
Most of grubby's games were nice.
Havent seen the first series though.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
July 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#546
Now we know why Apolo is casting instead playing.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 18:49:12
July 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#547
On July 17 2013 03:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 03:29 Crownlol wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:06 stuchiu wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:03 Crownlol wrote:
On July 17 2013 02:59 stuchiu wrote:
On July 17 2013 02:56 Zheryn wrote:
On July 17 2013 02:52 stuchiu wrote:
So how is Grubby's PvZ? I haven't seen it in a while.


It's pretty good but I don't believe he'll be able to win against Vortix tbh. Grubby did look kinda shaky in his PvT which he apparently had said was even better than his PvZ now.


In that case I recommend one of these solutions:

Soul Train
Soul Plane
Seed Max out
Inca Special
Huk YOLO
Triple Double
Anypro Anytime
Choya Gate
Stardust Bust
Naniwa's Double Dare
The Warp Prism Delivery



Soul Plane?
Inca Special?
Anypro Anytime?
Pretty sure NaNiwa's build is the proxy Immortal bust...


Yeah, please elaborate on these strats :-P I love strats with stupid names. I'll trade you some WoW 3s comp names


Soul Plane is mass Void rays ala Alicia/Crank.
Inca Special means making dts.
Anypro Anytime was the build back during early 2011 PvZ before the infestor buff. It went out of fashion, but has recently come back in the last month. It is a 2 base 7 gate blink stalker with +1 and obs attack.
Naniwa's Double Dare is proxy double gate.

I don't include Naniwa's Immortal zealot bust since a lot of different players have a claim to it and none of them have really used it to win a tourney.


As promised, but not requested:

TSG - Warrior/DK/Hpally
KFC - Warrior/Hunter/Rshaman
Thug Cleave - Rogue/Hunter/Dpriest
Cleave - Warrior/Rogue/Rdruid
Cleave(2) - Warrior/Retpal/Rsham
Wizardcleave - Elesham/Destrolock/Hpal
Shadowcleave - Dk/Spriest/Rsham
Neverlose - Dk/Lock/Rsham
LSD - Aff lock/Ele sham/ Rdruid
LSD2.0 - Aff lock/ Resto sham/ moonkin druid
Shadowplay - Spriest/Afflock/Rsham
Shatterplay - Spiest/Fmage/Rsham
Shattreeplay - Spriest/Fmage/Rdruid
Origami Comp - Firemage/Afflock/Dpriest
Menstrual Cleave - Warrior/Feral Druid/Hpal
Jungle Cleave - Hunter/Feral druid/Rsham
Holyplay - Ret pal/Dpriest/Rdru
Beastcleave - Enh sham/BM hunter/Hpal
Zoocleave - BM hunter/Demolock/Rsham
Stealthcleave - Feral druid/Rogue/Rdruid
Mancleave - Warrior/Warrior/Hpal
Boring Cleave - DK/doublehealer
Coldplay - Frost Dk/ Frostmage/ Discpriest

2345 - Warrior/Rogue/Ele/Disc/Rdruid
2346 - Warrior/Rogue/Lock/Disc/Rdruid
2347 - Warrior/Rogue/Mage/Disc/Rdruid
Eurocomp - Rogue/Mage/Lock/Disc/Rdruid





Why is cleave so prevalent.



That requires some history, but adding "cleave" was done as a derogatory measure, similar to labeling something "cheese".

The early meta established that a "proper" composition was one melee, one caster, and one healer. Later, the original "cleave" was created around the Warrior ability of the same name (which allowed them to hit two targets for a short amount of time), and the first two comps to be played with doublemelee were the two named Cleave above. This was seen as "cheese" almost, because simply rushing down your opponents with two melees is easier to play than to slowly pick them apart with a "balanced" comp, such as the early strong comps of RMP (Rogue Mage Priest) and WLD (Warrior Lock Druid).

Later, comps were often named by people who *LOST* to a comp, as opposed to being named by those who created it. Exceptions are things like Shadowplay, which takes a great deal of skill to play, and TSG, which was named by the eSports team of the same name. Calling something a "cleave" is intended to insinuate that you lost to something dumb and cheesy, rather than being outplayed. Saying "ugh, I just lost to some dumb cleave" is similar to saying "ugh, I just lost to a 6pool".

Later, people adopted the "cleave" title with pride as a sort of middle finger to the haters (similar to labeling a "cheesy rush" an "aggressive all-in").
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#548
HUK yOLO HERE WE GO
Moderator
SinTio
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany871 Posts
July 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#549
Wow he butchered Grubbys lastname there :D
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 16 2013 18:48 GMT
#550
LOL did he just call Grubby Scheißenhausen
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
July 16 2013 18:48 GMT
#551
On July 17 2013 03:45 packrat386 wrote:
how has it been going so far? missed the first few games.


Great games so far! (At least the ones I've watched). Missed the first series, only got the last bit of the second series but the LR thread was going nuts for Grubby's storms during that which was awesome.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
July 16 2013 18:48 GMT
#552
did he just say MR. scheißenhausen? what mean like shithouse XD?
MMA and Alive you are the best! | Goodbye ST_Sound ~
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 16 2013 18:49 GMT
#553
haha yeah he did
Terran & Potato Salad.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
July 16 2013 18:49 GMT
#554
Grubby didn't look like Grubby today
hundred thousand krouner
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#555
Sad game.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#556
HUK YOLO INTO INCA SPECIAL, GRUBBY REVOLUTIONIZING PVZ!
Moderator
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#557
Aaaand Dark Shrine.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#558
When behind.........
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#559
when behind summon inca
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
July 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#560
do gateways all in work even?

imo its the worst 2 base all in you can do as protoss
Prev 1 26 27 28 29 30 48 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 240
ProTech123
NeuroSwarm 56
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13218
Artosis 537
ajuk12(nOOB) 39
Dota 2
monkeys_forever367
League of Legends
JimRising 216
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv3806
pashabiceps1690
Pyrionflax121
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox639
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu360
Other Games
summit1g9762
Grubby3781
shahzam486
Trikslyr149
ViBE80
Mew2King59
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV359
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift2677
Other Games
• imaqtpie1116
• Shiphtur285
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 17m
The PondCast
11h 17m
KCM Race Survival
11h 17m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
12h 17m
Gerald vs herO
Clem vs Cure
ByuN vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
OSC
16h 17m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 1h
Escore
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
[ Show More ]
Universe Titan Cup
2 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Proleague 2026-04-22
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.