On July 13 2013 21:09 NovaMB wrote: Seeds for today are:
#1 Sjow #2 Socke #3 Verdi #4 Harstem
oh and Heromarine is seeded at #76 lol
... from former points i think `? cause heromarine only played in 2 qualifiers because he got 16 1 day before ? because from skill hes better then verdi at least xD
On July 13 2013 21:41 Erraa93 wrote: Oh wow, so genius is definitely skipping playoffs for a qualifier?
I really hope its worth it and he qualifies.
Good excuse to evade YoDa's wrath. (;
Its sad aint it. He won IEM, MVP called him best player at that moment, we all believed it. Now he is out of gsl etcetc only gtsl for him... He looks on the right track tho.
On July 13 2013 21:41 Erraa93 wrote: Oh wow, so genius is definitely skipping playoffs for a qualifier?
I really hope its worth it and he qualifies.
Good excuse to evade YoDa's wrath. (;
Its sad aint it. He won IEM, MVP called him best player at that moment, we all believed it. Now he is out of gsl etcetc only gtsl for him... He looks on the right track tho.
He is in Code A Ro32 vs EffOrt after beating Turn 2-0
On July 13 2013 21:41 Erraa93 wrote: Oh wow, so genius is definitely skipping playoffs for a qualifier?
I really hope its worth it and he qualifies.
Good excuse to evade YoDa's wrath. (;
Its sad aint it. He won IEM, MVP called him best player at that moment, we all believed it. Now he is out of gsl etcetc only gtsl for him... He looks on the right track tho.
He is in Code A Ro32 vs EffOrt after beating Turn 2-0
He s lookin solid today so maybe code s again next season
On July 13 2013 22:09 govie wrote: positive lost to velatrix. another korean that bites the dust. EU holdz apparantly
Genius has something to say about that.
remember last qualifier ^^
where he lost against really stupid shit... yeah I remember that. I mean, I'm happy for starbuck and all, and it does not matter how you qualify, but i don't think it says anything about genius not being good enough for EU qualifier.
Would be cool if EU holds again. Azubu could've done with another incredible Genius streak in the GSTL today. Lets hope his beast mode has worn off now.
Thanks for the link! So unless I'm bad at reading, dates for the next qualifiers are yet to be announced?
It's not written but it's thursday I believe, but I don't know when the signup opens, maybe one or two days before. Just check the article every day and you'll eventually find out. :p
Thanks for the link! So unless I'm bad at reading, dates for the next qualifiers are yet to be announced?
It's not written but it's thursday I believe, but I don't know when the signup opens, maybe one or two days before. Just check the article every day and you'll eventually find out. :p
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
no longer shows jonnyrecco advancing so I guess it was a mistake
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
JREcco hasn't played any games on his account sense he won has last ones.
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
JREcco hasn't played any games on his account sense he won has last ones.
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
no longer shows jonnyrecco advancing so I guess it was a mistake
The mini vs Heart issue was actually just me entering a 2 and 0 in the wrong text boxes when entering the scores.
On July 13 2013 23:30 Shellshock1122 wrote: JREcco > Genius
Lower Bracket holds!
Nvm. Vines is still in, currently playing BratOK
I'm not actually too sure about it. JonnyREcco is advanced in the bracket but there is no score given for the match and says 0-0 draw. Last time this happened in WCS AM it was a mistake and the other player really advanced (Mini vs Heart originally showed Mini winning but no score given. turns out Heart won 2-0)
no longer shows jonnyrecco advancing so I guess it was a mistake
The mini vs Heart issue was actually just me entering a 2 and 0 in the wrong text boxes when entering the scores.
so happy diestar beat lalush nothing against lalush personally but seeing him flame even enemys like white-ra for minutes live in tournaments on stream ... we no need that in the wcs if they should take us as a sport ... if he not change his attitute he wont get a break trough in sc2 i think ... he work against himself
On July 14 2013 00:56 robson1 wrote: Socke has game 1 i think. genius messed up against DTs.
No genius army is enough to win this it seems.
the heck happened, Socke just came back with DTs and I happily grab something to drink into gg from socke when I came back :-/
Genius did the smart thing and did not try to play it out wihile 10 probes behind, instead he used his 3 immortals and busted sockes ass.
Ye I just wondered why it looked so onesided with genius having so many stalkers left, but it makes sense in light of how the game went and the damage genius did early on.
Hm, San is the Korean hope in the top half of the bracket, and Genius is the Korean hope in the bottom half. With only two Koreans remaining and a bunch of pretty strong foreigners, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one qualified player isn't Korean.
On July 14 2013 01:59 govie wrote: can somebody help, who is san exactly?
MANZENITH! Slayer of nerds, blocker of his own nexus, biggest upset in SC2 history and a master of forcing sword swallowing. Also famous for making great builds, a lot of pros has stated they got the build from him.
so vipro or targa will be in challanger ? as nice as vipro is, anyone here who NOT wants to see targa in wcs ? ... jaeh i though that ... GOGO TARGA ^^
btw if they miss semi final because of this game i am rly pissed, because its already streamed on polish stream ... we wanna see vipro targa
On July 14 2013 02:16 Drake wrote: so vipro or targa will be in challanger ? as nice as vipro is, anyone here who NOT wants to see targa in wcs ? ... jaeh i though that ... GOGO TARGA ^^
On July 14 2013 02:16 Drake wrote: so vipro or targa will be in challanger ? as nice as vipro is, anyone here who NOT wants to see targa in wcs ? ... jaeh i though that ... GOGO TARGA ^^
I rather see vipro advance! GOGO VIPRO!
swedish and norway not count, sure u wants your swedish bro
On July 14 2013 02:16 Drake wrote: so vipro or targa will be in challanger ? as nice as vipro is, anyone here who NOT wants to see targa in wcs ? ... jaeh i though that ... GOGO TARGA ^^
I rather see vipro advance! GOGO VIPRO!
swedish and norway not count, sure u wants your swedish bro
:D So much bias! I'd say the Duran brothers cheer for Vipro as well!
On July 14 2013 01:54 DJHelium wrote: Genius is playing from KR, right? The forcefields were really off/late.
Still solid defense by Targa, especially since he didn't scout it until very late. GG WP!
No excuses.
Have you tried playing from Europe on KR servers? I have, and with that experience I'm amazed Genius could even put up a half decent fight.
It doesn't matter how good you are, playing with 300+ms is really game breaking.
This discussion was held so many times its not even funny.
Its their choice to play EU, so they got to deal with it.
I agree, but that still doesn't take away the simple fact that playing with 300+ ms severely impacts your performance.
^ this. It's a factor and that cannot be debated. Of course it's the korean players choice. But that does not change the fact that it's very difficult.
On July 14 2013 01:54 DJHelium wrote: Genius is playing from KR, right? The forcefields were really off/late.
Still solid defense by Targa, especially since he didn't scout it until very late. GG WP!
No excuses.
Have you tried playing from Europe on KR servers? I have, and with that experience I'm amazed Genius could even put up a half decent fight.
It doesn't matter how good you are, playing with 300+ms is really game breaking.
This discussion was held so many times its not even funny.
Its their choice to play EU, so they got to deal with it.
I agree, but that still doesn't take away the simple fact that playing with 300+ ms severely impacts your performance.
Of course, people are very much aware of that fact. The problem is that this is a main excuse for Koreans being eliminated from EU tournaments. Sometimes it seems being a statement in flavour of "no way a foreigner kills a Korean, no no no it had to be lag".
In my opinion the lag thing should be taken as a given fact and never spoken about again, it has been grinded to death at this point.
On July 14 2013 01:54 DJHelium wrote: Genius is playing from KR, right? The forcefields were really off/late.
Still solid defense by Targa, especially since he didn't scout it until very late. GG WP!
No excuses.
Have you tried playing from Europe on KR servers? I have, and with that experience I'm amazed Genius could even put up a half decent fight.
It doesn't matter how good you are, playing with 300+ms is really game breaking.
yes i have, its better then playing sc1 in normal ladder ... its quite annoying and its by FAR not perfekt but its doable. 300ms are not the world its bad but hey ... its not like a gm would lose to a master or something that impacting. targa is just incredible good ... thats all (yes genius might be better and yes the lag might have an impact BUT the impact goes away when you play alot with it, like atfer 200+ games you have nearly no worse play anymore. if you wanna play on EU for money, go and train there too so you know what you do ...) absolute no excuses
On July 14 2013 03:01 NovaMB wrote: Tarrantius 2-0 Showtime and he will face San for the WCS EU Challenger spot
as much as i like tarra, i rly hoped for showtime he had an amazing run with hanfy sjow goody, and i dont know 1 of tarrantius enemys
Game 2 : Standard build : ccfirst into 3rax into ebay+2turrets into medivacs and 2 more rax against a wierd late dtbuild from vines Game 3 : Funny game. 1 base 6marinemedivacdrop with 3 hellions trailing to roast drones. Against a gateway expand from vines. Was a pretty nice bbq and downfall got some drones. After attack vines wanted to counter but downfall allready had 2 bunkers up and ready to defend. ezpz
Game 2 : Standard build : ccfirst into 3rax into ebay+2turrets into medivacs and 2 more rax against a wierd late dtbuild from vines Game 3 : Funny game. 1 base 6marinemedivacdrop with 3 hellions trailing to roast drones. Against a gateway expand from vines. Was its was a pretty nice bbq and downfall got some drones. After attack vines wanted to counter but downfall allready had 2 bunkers up and ready to defend. ezpz
haha ^^ how much downfall must have party after it to lose vs vipro then instantly xD
Game 2 : Standard build : ccfirst into 3rax into ebay+2turrets into medivacs and 2 more rax against a wierd late dtbuild from vines Game 3 : Funny game. 1 base 6marinemedivacdrop with 3 hellions trailing to roast drones. Against a gateway expand from vines. Was its was a pretty nice bbq and downfall got some drones. After attack vines wanted to counter but downfall allready had 2 bunkers up and ready to defend. ezpz
haha ^^ how much downfall must have party after it to lose vs vipro then instantly xD
Maybe
But still. Its a lottery. All the players that enter are good enough to compete. Surely seeing that fulltime pro's dont make it all through these qualifiers and will not be part of WCS this season. I think u should play with the intention to make ur mark in tournaments like these, if u can do that, mission completed. Qualifying is nice but need a bit of luck to or so much more skill then all the others. But i think there arent many players that are sure of getting out (like innovation, soulkey for example). MC also failed in his first attempt at wcs eu.... Best example there is.
In my opinion shutting down vines is mission completed Koreans everywhere will now be scared of EU's downfall
Game 2 : Standard build : ccfirst into 3rax into ebay+2turrets into medivacs and 2 more rax against a wierd late dtbuild from vines Game 3 : Funny game. 1 base 6marinemedivacdrop with 3 hellions trailing to roast drones. Against a gateway expand from vines. Was its was a pretty nice bbq and downfall got some drones. After attack vines wanted to counter but downfall allready had 2 bunkers up and ready to defend. ezpz
haha ^^ how much downfall must have party after it to lose vs vipro then instantly xD
Worst thing is that I usually win him on ladder...
Game 2 : Standard build : ccfirst into 3rax into ebay+2turrets into medivacs and 2 more rax against a wierd late dtbuild from vines Game 3 : Funny game. 1 base 6marinemedivacdrop with 3 hellions trailing to roast drones. Against a gateway expand from vines. Was its was a pretty nice bbq and downfall got some drones. After attack vines wanted to counter but downfall allready had 2 bunkers up and ready to defend. ezpz
haha ^^ how much downfall must have party after it to lose vs vipro then instantly xD
Worst thing is that I usually win him on ladder...
and it was so stpud tarra could won game 2 and 3 easiyl but he miss micro his sentry and not ff the ramp in time while doing nothing else that was so ... damn wtf man
European fans shouldn't have to worry too much. The only korean left that has a realistic shot at qualifying is Genius and he has proven to be beatable
On July 14 2013 03:50 DJHelium wrote: MANZENITH PREVAILS! + Show Spoiler +
He is one of the koreans I really don't mind see in EU, often comes up with interesting builds and seems like a nice guy.
I agree with that sentiment. To be fair I also wouldn't mind seeing Pro7ect qualify too (if he even signs up to the last qualifier). Inca, Vines and HoeJJa are just empty names to me. I guess Genius would be okay, but I'd rather see a European defend the wall.
On July 14 2013 03:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: European fans shouldn't have to worry too much. The only korean left that has a realistic shot at qualifying is Genius and he has proven to be beatable
On July 14 2013 03:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: European fans shouldn't have to worry too much. The only korean left that has a realistic shot at qualifying is Genius and he has proven to be beatable
but I like genius....
Dude I love genius. And he has lost 3 times in a row against the bracket winner. such a shame.
He is probably most well known for blocking his own nexus during a forge fast expand with his pylon against CheckPrime during one of the open seasons. However, he made up for it when he demolished the group of Nestea, BoxeR, and Ensnare (at the time were all still fairly strong names) in GSL March 2011 where Artosis said he would swallow a sword if San made it out of the group since he was the worst player in Code S. San went all the way to the Ro4 that season before losing to eventual champion MC. He played for Zenex and New Star HoSeo for a while. He is currently on AZUBU.
He is known to be a very good player when it comes to qualifiers. He has qualified for several seasons of GSL, a MLG, and an IPL. However, he seems to have bad nerve problems when it comes to playing in the live events and is often eliminated early. He is also been referenced in many korean interviews for suggesting build orders or helping come up with protoss build orders. He was partially responsible for the sentry drop fad for a while in WoL after he beat Life with it in GSTL while on NSH. He beat Life again this season as a member of AZUBU. He played in the last season of WCS KR where he was eliminated 1-2 by MarineKing in the Ro48 of the Challenger Division.
He has also recently won a bunch of EU daily/weekly cups or whatever for what I assume was preparation for dealing with the online lag. That's why if you look at TLPD he has a ridiculously high ranking. He's like 50-10 in HoTS on TLPD from those.
On July 14 2013 06:09 daskilla wrote: Nice to see Targa in WCS EU finaly. Who is San, first time I have heard of him?
He's a Korean player that has actually been around since GSL open season 1 where he took out Torch.
However, he made up for it when he demolished the group of Nestea, BoxeR, and Ensnare (at the time were all still fairly strong names) in GSL March 2011 where Artosis said he would swallow a sword if San made it out of the group since he was the worst player in Code S.
I go back to read that thread sometimes. So much epicness (especially vs Nestea)
On July 14 2013 06:09 daskilla wrote: Nice to see Targa in WCS EU finaly. Who is San, first time I have heard of him?
He's a Korean player that has actually been around since GSL open season 1 where he took out Torch.
However, he made up for it when he demolished the group of Nestea, BoxeR, and Ensnare (at the time were all still fairly strong names) in GSL March 2011 where Artosis said he would swallow a sword if San made it out of the group since he was the worst player in Code S.
I go back to read that thread sometimes. So much epicness (especially vs Nestea)
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WCS Europe 2 with 
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mYi.Positive
ParanOid
AcRo
BRAT_OK
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CheckPrime during one of the open seasons. However, he made up for it when he demolished the group of 
BoxeR, and 
