So the notable Koreans trying to scale the great wall of lag include VINES and Genius. Other players I’ve never heard of but are Korean (so probably worth a mention) include Kimyoungjoo, HoeJJa and Positive (I just scanned the ESL bracket so I may have missed a Korean who is registered in a European country).
VINES and Genius are definitely beatable, however the defence is looking a little thin now with seemingly every top level European either in Premier or at least in Challenger. We’ll have to wait and see.
On July 07 2013 21:50 Greendotz wrote: So the notable Koreans trying to scale the great wall of lag include VINES and Genius. Other players I’ve never heard of but are Korean (so probably worth a mention) include Kimyoungjoo, HoeJJa and Positive (I just scanned the ESL bracket so I may have missed a Korean who is registered in a European country).
VINES and Genius are definitely beatable, however the defence is looking a little thin now with seemingly every top level European either in Premier or at least in Challenger. We’ll have to wait and see.
Kimyoungjoo is a STX soul player, dont really know who he is, Positive is on myInsanity
On July 07 2013 21:50 Greendotz wrote: So the notable Koreans trying to scale the great wall of lag include VINES and Genius. Other players I’ve never heard of but are Korean (so probably worth a mention) include Kimyoungjoo, HoeJJa and Positive (I just scanned the ESL bracket so I may have missed a Korean who is registered in a European country).
VINES and Genius are definitely beatable, however the defence is looking a little thin now with seemingly every top level European either in Premier or at least in Challenger. We’ll have to wait and see.
Kimyoungjoo is a STX soul player, dont really know who he is, Positive is on myInsanity
Apparently the match was never played! Seems like Mr. Illias won only in his head. Honestly I don't see how he could have won 2:1 Socke with his play against me.
Err, could have been played with no historic though.
Apparently the match was never played! Seems like Mr. Illias won only in his head. Honestly I don't see how he could have won 2:1 Socke with his play against me.
Err, could have been played with no historic though.
Either Socke hasn't entered his loss or he looks for an admin decision on something.
Apparently the match was never played! Seems like Mr. Illias won only in his head. Honestly I don't see how he could have won 2:1 Socke with his play against me.
Err, could have been played with no historic though.
Either Socke hasn't entered his loss or he looks for an admin decision on something.
No idea what's going on. He's offline, and so is Illias.
On July 07 2013 22:53 TheDwf wrote: Well, we'll never know what happened, but Illias vs Socke was closed, so my match is closed too and I'm in RO64 waiting for the next opponent.
TL godz boogie woogie-ing u threw the qualifierrounds
On July 07 2013 23:06 Rhaegal wrote: These qualifiers are rather unexciting compared to America's.
Ofcourse... In NA the koreans/chinese advance and fill all spots from qualifers and up and in EU the koreans have a harder time and the region is more balanced. Ofcourse ur right
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
mYinsanity.StarDust mYinsanity.Positive Azubu.Genius Azubu.San (did not participate in the second qualifier for some reason) Azubu.InCa Azubu.Vines STX.Size KT Rolster.HoeJJa Western Wolves.Daisy RoX.Pro7ecT (though he has been living in Russia for a long time now) Alien Invasion.waCk Alien Invasion.Revenge
On July 07 2013 23:35 sharkie wrote: Tarrantius vs Revenge
game 2, a funny draw!
A draw? How? Why?
Killed OC vs two Widow Mines. Tarrantius had some probes, but didn't expect a mine in his mineral line. His probes got killed, he had to rebuilt a probe and had to awkwardly path the probe to collect minerals. But the second widow mine closed the area of the awkward path and Tarrantius failed to prevent it with his handful of Stalkers. Probe died, only 40 Minerals left, draw.
Edit: Tarra didn't have detection obviously. He had a Stargate and could build an oracle once he collected enough minerals.
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
mYinsanity.StarDust mYinsanity.Positive Azubu.Genius Azubu.San (did not participate in the second qualifier for some reason) Azubu.InCa Azubu.Vines STX.Size KT Rolster.HoeJJa Western Wolves.Daisy RoX.Pro7ecT (though he has been living in Russia for a long time now) Alien Invasion.waCk Alien Invasion.Revenge
I haven't even heard or some of those players. So technically there are more than 5 or 6 korean players but they're not all living and training in Korea. Meanwhile WCS AM has nearly that many players who have been in code S and a lot more at lower levels.
On July 07 2013 23:35 sharkie wrote: Tarrantius vs Revenge
game 2, a funny draw!
A draw? How? Why?
Killed OC vs two Widow Mines. Tarrantius had some probes, but didn't expect a mine in his mineral line. His probes got killed, he had to rebuilt a probe and had to awkwardly path the probe to collect minerals. But the second widow mine closed the area of the awkward path and Tarrantius failed to prevent it with his handful of Stalkers. Probe died, only 40 Minerals left, draw.
Edit: Tarra didn't have detection obviously. He had a Stargate and could build an oracle once he collected enough minerals.
Thanks, bet it was funny! It looks funny in my head..
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
mYinsanity.StarDust mYinsanity.Positive Azubu.Genius Azubu.San (did not participate in the second qualifier for some reason) Azubu.InCa Azubu.Vines STX.Size KT Rolster.HoeJJa Western Wolves.Daisy RoX.Pro7ecT (though he has been living in Russia for a long time now) Alien Invasion.waCk Alien Invasion.Revenge
I haven't even heard or some of those players. So technically there are more than 5 or 6 korean players but they're not all living and training in Korea. Meanwhile WCS AM has nearly that many players who have been in code S and a lot more at lower levels.
I agree I was just listing them ^^
waCk and Revenge both recently moved to Germany to live in the Alien Invasion house; Pro7ecT lives in Russia. I'm not sure whether Daisy has moved back to Germany or no. Positive is a B-teamer on mYinsanity, so he's not really a pro gamer.
On July 07 2013 23:53 Otolia wrote: EU taking care of the business with Chators beating VINES and CPU Inca. Now if Didzdemon could crush Hoejja that would be fun.
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
mYinsanity.StarDust mYinsanity.Positive Azubu.Genius Azubu.San (did not participate in the second qualifier for some reason) Azubu.InCa Azubu.Vines STX.Size KT Rolster.HoeJJa Western Wolves.Daisy RoX.Pro7ecT (though he has been living in Russia for a long time now) Alien Invasion.waCk Alien Invasion.Revenge
I haven't even heard or some of those players. So technically there are more than 5 or 6 korean players but they're not all living and training in Korea. Meanwhile WCS AM has nearly that many players who have been in code S and a lot more at lower levels.
I agree I was just listing them ^^
waCk and Revenge both recently moved to Germany to live in the Alien Invasion house; Pro7ecT lives in Russia. I'm not sure whether Daisy has moved back to Germany or no. Positive is a B-teamer on mYinsanity, so he's not really a pro gamer.
Can't see Genius not qualifying in this :X
I was actually surprised a bit. If you count code S at any point ever, there may be more code S players in AM than that. But that includes players like TOP and Heart. So many veterans. After going through, I've counted 20 players in or trying to qualify for WCS AM that have played in Code S at least once. (Excluding foreigners who were in code S)
Matches are pretty cool but are the commentators in gold league ? I'm being a bit pesky here but their knowledge seems pretty low,otherwise they have a decent flow.
On July 08 2013 00:35 Greendotz wrote: K, seems Murray is 2 sets up against Djokovic and just broke the first game, WCS is going to have to take a back seat for the moment ^^
On July 07 2013 21:04 Niko_Thien wrote: Thx for the LR I hope Heromarine qualifies today
Looks like he didn't sign up.
sure he did i see him in bracket
so genius the last kor in ? all other lost to total nonames ? seeing pros lose to guys like CPU makes me thinking dont play eu as korean xD
On July 07 2013 23:06 Rhaegal wrote: These qualifiers are rather unexciting compared to America's.
O_o no ? for me they are 1 million times better, not only korean b teamers lol as american i would understand you like americans more but you have korea B league there xD
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Kr-EU lag is considered unplayable. And yes, far fewer Koreans and much lower quality.
its playable, plz dont always say such things (even i can play on kr from eu, you have delay like playing sc1 0.2 0.3 sek delay) its HARD its BAD its LAGGY and its bad to play BUT if it would be unplayable, a korean would NEVER beat a european pro ... never !
On July 07 2013 23:18 DamageControL wrote: Is NA-Korea lag less bad, are america wcs players just worse, or are there less korean players in EU?
edit: could also be, of course, that the koreans in EU are worse
Its all 4 things really.
Lag is really bad from KR to EU, there are only 5 or 6 players trying to qualify(not counting the 7 already in WCS EU) and most of them are B-teamers and Europe has a much deeper player pool.
mYinsanity.StarDust mYinsanity.Positive Azubu.Genius Azubu.San (did not participate in the second qualifier for some reason) Azubu.InCa Azubu.Vines STX.Size KT Rolster.HoeJJa Western Wolves.Daisy RoX.Pro7ecT (though he has been living in Russia for a long time now) Alien Invasion.waCk Alien Invasion.Revenge
On July 08 2013 01:14 NovaMB wrote: Does anyone know the score between Harstem and Fuzer??
Btw :CoR why are you answering stuff from 4 hours ago lol
Nice quadruple post btw.
jaeh ... i was thinking this is typical wcs forum where they are posts every 2 seconds at least on weekend ... didnt expect this to be so BORING here in this thread !
again sorry and @ mod plz delete the 3 posts they was by mistake
On July 08 2013 01:14 NovaMB wrote: Does anyone know the score between Harstem and Fuzer??
Btw :CoR why are you answering stuff from 4 hours ago lol
Nice quadruple post btw.
jaeh ... i was thinking this is typical wcs forum where they are posts every 2 seconds at least on weekend ... didnt expect this to be so BORING here in this thread !
again SORRY!
Its a bit boring today tbh, nothings happening.
Who is this Chatorsws guy??? He just beat LoWely and is in the ro16.
And Heromarine is in the ro16 aswell beating Adelscott 2-0
On July 08 2013 01:14 NovaMB wrote: Does anyone know the score between Harstem and Fuzer??
Btw :CoR why are you answering stuff from 4 hours ago lol
Nice quadruple post btw.
jaeh ... i was thinking this is typical wcs forum where they are posts every 2 seconds at least on weekend ... didnt expect this to be so BORING here in this thread !
again SORRY!
Its a bit boring today tbh, nothings happening.
Who is this Chatorsws guy??? He just beat LoWely aswell and is in the ro16
17 y-o, french, zerg, is or has been GM, hasn't had results so is sort of unknown even on the french scene. He's on team NvO (Never Out) Let's be thorough, the french interview also said he has an aggressive playstyle, doesn't gg on ladder, and doesn't like ZvP.
the esl website WAS bad BUT! since now its best grid system ... i dont understand him not understanding it like the hide system is best cause it makes it so easy to see ...
On July 08 2013 01:14 NovaMB wrote: Does anyone know the score between Harstem and Fuzer??
Btw :CoR why are you answering stuff from 4 hours ago lol
Nice quadruple post btw.
jaeh ... i was thinking this is typical wcs forum where they are posts every 2 seconds at least on weekend ... didnt expect this to be so BORING here in this thread !
again SORRY!
Its a bit boring today tbh, nothings happening.
Who is this Chatorsws guy??? He just beat LoWely aswell and is in the ro16
17 y-o, french, zerg, is or has been GM, hasn't had results so is sort of unknown even on the french scene. He's on team NvO (Never Out) Let's be thorough, the french interview also said he has an aggressive playstyle, doesn't gg on ladder, and doesn't like ZvP.
he doesnt like zvp but beat korean progamer azubu vines in it ?
also we can change that its boring here
it was since minutes there taht morrow won seems u never update the site ^^
On July 08 2013 01:33 CoR wrote: the esl website WAS bad BUT! since now its best grid system ... i dont understand him not understanding it like the hide system is best cause it makes it so easy to see ...
On July 08 2013 01:33 CoR wrote: the esl website WAS bad BUT! since now its best grid system ... i dont understand him not understanding it like the hide system is best cause it makes it so easy to see ...
what?
Caster Zoia bashing the ESL website for being difficult.
Apparently the match was never played! Seems like Mr. Illias won only in his head. Honestly I don't see how he could have won 2:1 Socke with his play against me.
Err, could have been played with no historic though.
Wow, wow! Hold your accusations right there please. I cheesed him fair and square, Socke simply hosted the maps with the highest privacy settings.
On July 08 2013 02:24 pmp10 wrote: O_o I was sure Morrow had that after run-by.
He should've. He saw 4 gates, and he left genius with 9 probes. If he had just sat back, made 2 bunkers, continually made units, and pre-emptively pulled 4-5 scvs, he wins easily. Even after his main was ransacked, if he pulled all his widow mines, and sent them to genius' mineral line, he could've forced a draw. Very poor decision making by morrow.
On July 08 2013 01:59 BlackCompany wrote: Sjow really needs to work on his TvP if he wants be semi-relevant again tt
well ... he did make top4 in dreamhack 2 weeks ago isnt that relevant ? and he beat harstem there 2-1 btw also beat viPro but yes his epic wins was the tvz (like vs ST.Life or Ret) or his tvt vs daishy ... rly when i look i see he rly only won 2 tvp in whole dreamhack and not top world protosses ... ur right ^^ but still he beat harstem there so no reason to 0-2 now
On July 08 2013 02:16 Ryps wrote: Genius got such a easy road to qualify, its going to be hard to lose.
Jaxx, aSMovieMaker, Cookie, Ethernal, Tominkus and morrow ... jaeh expect morrow someone rly seems to like genius if he qualfy by beating lets say Starbuck, thats the easiest wcs europe qualifier place ever ^^
On July 08 2013 01:59 BlackCompany wrote: Sjow really needs to work on his TvP if he wants be semi-relevant again tt
well ... he did make top4 in dreamhack 2 weeks ago isnt that relevant ? and he beat harstem there 2-1 btw also beat viPro but yes his epic wins was the tvz (like vs ST.Life or Ret) or his tvt vs daishy ... rly when i look i see he rly only won 2 tvp in whole dreamhack and not top world protosses ... ur right ^^ but still he beat harstem there so no reason to 0-2 now
On July 08 2013 02:16 Ryps wrote: Genius got such a easy road to qualify, its going to be hard to lose.
Jaxx, aSMovieMaker, Cookie, Ethernal, Tominkus and morrow ... jaeh expect morrow someone rly seems to like genius if he qualfy by beating lets say Starbuck, thats the easiest wcs europe qualifier place ever ^^
ya, the top 4 was awesome, but as you said, mostly on the back of his strong TvZ ( that 3rd game vs Life gave me chills <3). Today vs Harstem.. it was really bad. I hope it was just a "bad day", but he often has a really nice advantage in TvP only to get absolutly destroyed once the game goes longer than 15 mins...
this get thrown around a lot but i think that was the best zerg cheese ive ever seen, maybe nesteas spinecrawler rush comes close but damn that was so sick by starbuck
On July 08 2013 03:20 Napoleon53 wrote: Please dont learn geography from the commentators. Slovenia used to be a part of the Yugoslavia. Not really related to the USSR.
honestly i wonder why they dont just google it if they have no clue xD
On July 08 2013 03:32 HotGlueGun wrote: Genius played that awfully
so did Starbuck though, the fact that he let runbys destroy his main was so beyond easily stoppable. And why genius didn't just throw down a stargate I don't know
On July 08 2013 03:32 HotGlueGun wrote: Genius played that awfully
Looked like muscle memory than any rational thinking. Why did he keep building immortals? I used to try this in the beta and stargate play pretty much is the counter to this.
But i experience quite a lot of beta builds coming back because people forget or never learnt how to deal with them. Genius is probably the better player but hats off to starbuck very well played.
On July 08 2013 03:32 HotGlueGun wrote: Genius played that awfully
Looked like muscle memory than any rational thinking. Why did he keep building immortals? I used to try this in the beta and stargate play pretty much is the counter to this.
But i experience quite a lot of beta builds coming back because people forget or never learnt how to deal with them. Genius is probably the better player but hats off to starbuck very well played.
Couldn't Starbuck just adjust his army composition and made more anti-air (queen/hydra/spore) if Genius went with Stargate?
On July 08 2013 03:32 pmp10 wrote: Europe holds with ingenious cheese and unorthodox contain.
I just got back in, missed that match but there was something about this comment that just made me laugh out loud and made me proud to be a European in a trollish way XD
For those who didn't know, Starbuck has been one of the hottest European talents for a while. He's always Top 20 GM EU, and until a few months ago was on MYM, but he is now on Vega Squadron. A few weeks ago he defeated DIMAGA 3-1 to win the Slovenian championship.
On July 08 2013 04:43 mikkmagro wrote: For those who didn't know, Starbuck has been one of the hottest European talents for a while. He's always Top 20 GM EU, and until a few months ago was on MYM, but he is now on Vega Squadron. A few weeks ago he defeated DIMAGA 3-1 to win the Slovenian championship.
Why did he play DIMAGA to win the Slovenian championship :o
On July 08 2013 04:43 mikkmagro wrote: For those who didn't know, Starbuck has been one of the hottest European talents for a while. He's always Top 20 GM EU, and until a few months ago was on MYM, but he is now on Vega Squadron. A few weeks ago he defeated DIMAGA 3-1 to win the Slovenian championship.
Why did he play DIMAGA to win the Slovenian championship :o
On July 08 2013 04:43 mikkmagro wrote: For those who didn't know, Starbuck has been one of the hottest European talents for a while. He's always Top 20 GM EU, and until a few months ago was on MYM, but he is now on Vega Squadron. A few weeks ago he defeated DIMAGA 3-1 to win the Slovenian championship.
Why did he play DIMAGA to win the Slovenian championship :o
It wasn't Slovenian championship but just a tournament held by conn.si crew which are from Slovenia. Other significant participants were also Ptak from Croatia and Beastyqt from Serbia so it wasn't exclusively for Slovenian players. Some players qualified and others like DIMAGA were invited. Hope this clears it up
On July 08 2013 04:43 mikkmagro wrote: For those who didn't know, Starbuck has been one of the hottest European talents for a while. He's always Top 20 GM EU, and until a few months ago was on MYM, but he is now on Vega Squadron. A few weeks ago he defeated DIMAGA 3-1 to win the Slovenian championship.
Why did he play DIMAGA to win the Slovenian championship :o
haha yeah that makes no sense
Ok it was more of a tournament aimed towards people in the Balkans, but the organisers invited some top pros like Beastyqt, Kas and Dimaga to make the tournament more interesting I guess ^_^
Hey, a Koreans have won the Taiwanese, Chinese, Australian, European and American championships now, so why are you surprised?
impressive guys killed by them (all koreans was killed by nonames expect genius who was killed by starbuck himself) and way stronger enemys then as genius or other top finisher had
On July 08 2013 03:40 s.a.y wrote: So happy for StarBuck, he was always up there and fell in ro32.
And the casters do not know where Slovenia is, jesus, they lack common knowledge
????? was the casters americans ? as european not knowing where slovenia is ... its not like slowakia its no small poor country, slovenia has some money is eu everything my teacher would have slapped me not knowing that xD
On July 08 2013 05:35 -IeZaeL- wrote: GG ALASTOR <3 <3 <3 <3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
so many posts about starbuck, nothing about alastor ? i never heared of him and he won and his liquipedia isnt half as big as starbucks so who the hell he is ? more infos about him of all sleeping xD
edit: lol alastor not even listed in playerlist so unknown he is
On July 08 2013 07:21 CoR wrote: impressive guys killed by them (all koreans was killed by nonames expect genius who was killed by starbuck himself) and way stronger enemys then as genius or other top finisher had
On July 08 2013 03:40 s.a.y wrote: So happy for StarBuck, he was always up there and fell in ro32.
And the casters do not know where Slovenia is, jesus, they lack common knowledge
????? was the casters americans ? as european not knowing where slovenia is ... its not like slowakia its no small poor country, slovenia has some money is eu everything my teacher would have slapped me not knowing that xD
On July 08 2013 05:35 -IeZaeL- wrote: GG ALASTOR <3 <3 <3 <3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
so many posts about starbuck, nothing about alastor ? i never heared of him and he won and his liquipedia isnt half as big as starbucks so who the hell he is ? more infos about him of all sleeping xD
edit: lol alastor not even listed in playerlist so unknown he is
He's pretty unknown compared to Starbuck. He's a Spanish GM player and this is probably his first big splash in the scene. I only know him from him bming really hard when he loses.
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TargA http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TargA
Tarrantius http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/tarrantius
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I hope Heromarine qualifies today 
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