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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 02 2013 11:40 GMT
#1441
On July 02 2013 20:39 Incognoto wrote:
Drones aren't two shot by Hellabts?


His point was that once a probe is hit by a hellbat it will always be one shot a the next hellbat regardless of its full shield or not.
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
July 02 2013 11:40 GMT
#1442
Sexy game by First.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 02 2013 11:40 GMT
#1443
why do tasteless has to be so critical its annoying
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 02 2013 11:40 GMT
#1444
On July 02 2013 20:40 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:39 Incognoto wrote:
Drones aren't two shot by Hellabts?


all workers are


I don't understand Tastosis's comment about Probes then I guess. Whatevs, :p
maru lover forever
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1445
On July 02 2013 20:39 VmY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:37 NarutO wrote:
People making fun of TheDwf 'complaining' about Protoss? He points out facts. On Whirlwind Terran cannot deny all the proxy pylons. Its impossible and even if you constantly have one medivac searching for them, warpins of 8 zealots can threaten a smaller bioforce easily. Not to mention you could warp in Dts etc. Your fourth base needs to be a planetary and a good Protoss will focus workers with +3 zealots and/or add dts to the warpins. You will be pulled apart.

I am not saying its overpowered, but its strong and very hard to deal with. Terran has less ways to effectively shut down harass. A planetary cannot kill zealots as fast (especially spread out) and we have no other anti-ground defence that doesn't cost supply. Protoss can defend very supply efficient with cannons and HT for feedback so people really stop nonsense bashing especially of a player that is far above their own level.


I don't think he's even complaining, from what I remember he was pointing out that protoss can harass quite effectively aswel. He got quite abit of hate for it, for whatever reason.


Destroying myths always gets you some hate.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1446
On July 02 2013 20:40 Ysellian wrote:
First is really damn good

he always was, he just didn't get his shit together in GSL.

now that the tournament is officially named WCS, he is allowed to rock it though
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1447
holy shit first is a god, this phoenix usage is something out of PvZ.
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1448
LG-IMers seem to excel when given time to prepare for a specific opponent.
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1449
Amazing Phoenix control... wow.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1450
Man at this rate First might crack the power ranking this month
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freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1451
On July 02 2013 20:40 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Man I did not expect this to be such a mismatch



I dont know man First has been stomping nerds for a while now and fantasy has BW hype but not actual sc2 hype
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1452
stargate openings are so good against terran. I really can't say, why we see them so rarely in pro games.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1453
On July 02 2013 20:40 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:38 AgentW wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:37 NarutO wrote:
People making fun of TheDwf 'complaining' about Protoss? He points out facts. On Whirlwind Terran cannot deny all the proxy pylons. Its impossible and even if you constantly have one medivac searching for them, warpins of 8 zealots can threaten a smaller bioforce easily. Not to mention you could warp in Dts etc. Your fourth base needs to be a planetary and a good Protoss will focus workers with +3 zealots and/or add dts to the warpins. You will be pulled apart.

I am not saying its overpowered, but its strong and very hard to deal with. Terran has less ways to effectively shut down harass. A planetary cannot kill zealots as fast (especially spread out) and we have no other anti-ground defence that doesn't cost supply. Protoss can defend very supply efficient with cannons and HT for feedback so people really stop nonsense bashing especially of a player that is far above their own level.

Haha I think that was me you're referencing. I was referencing the discussion that TheDwf was having a week or so ago when we had a discussion about Protoss harass in a LR thread. I agreed with TheDwf then and now, and IIRC, you agreed with him then too.


Yes I agree with him, sorry wasn't directly towards you but some people that hate and make dumb suggestions :o!

Oh, I think I was the only one who "called him out for it" (in jest, of course). No worries, just a lapse of communication!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1454
First's play reminds me a little of Rain's play. Some aggression as a spice added to the mix, but this defensive toss style is pretty cool to see.
The Bomber boy
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 11:42:01
July 02 2013 11:41 GMT
#1455
On July 02 2013 20:41 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:40 Ysellian wrote:
First is really damn good

he always was, he just didn't get his shit together in GSL.

now that the tournament is officially named WCS
, he is allowed to rock it though


haha yeah He is so good when he has his shit together.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 02 2013 11:42 GMT
#1456
First has always had sick phoenix play, he used it all the time when he first came onto the scene.
Glorious SEA doto
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 02 2013 11:42 GMT
#1457
Fanta and macro... Seriously, this is sc2, you can't really compensate that sort of stuff :/
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
July 02 2013 11:42 GMT
#1458
First getting so good after all those Mvp customs!
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
July 02 2013 11:42 GMT
#1459
taseless has become artoss' echo
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
July 02 2013 11:42 GMT
#1460
On July 02 2013 20:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Man at this rate First might crack the power ranking this month


Would it be his first time?
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