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On June 29 2013 18:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 18:16 Luzian wrote:
The brackets are a joke. The Kespa players have a lot harder opponents. Not that they won't win anyways but already after 2 rounds Dear and Stats have to play each other. That should be the finals and not some early rounds game, double elimination or not.
It seems as if MLG wants to give the Kespa players a hard time so they can't completely dominate the tournament. Whether some US-viewers want this or not, I think this is simply unfair. Great conclusion you're coming to based on those great arguments you brought supported by all the great evidence
Whether you want to admit it or not, he has a point. MLG seeded the tournament in order to increase the chances that fan favorites would make it further. Now I'm not saying that they used different seeding criteria for different players, rather they used the same criteria for everyone, but picked the universal criteria that maximized the number of fan favorites in the later rounds. In other words they seeded everyone based on international tournament results throughout the entirety of sc2. That explains why Huk could get in a bracket with all foreigners even though he hasn't performed well in a tournament for a LONG time. Other fan favorites like Hero and Jaedong got put on opposite sides of the bracket, not undeserving due to their recent successes. At the end of the day, MLG is a business and to stay afloat they need to make ends meet. They obviously know the finals will be between Koreans and the last thing they want is for the finalist to be people that the casual viewer can 't relate with (aka Kespa players).
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On June 29 2013 18:37 KaiserJohan wrote:
The live event is unwatchable to europeans due to the timezone. I hope they understand at, incase they wonder why their viewer count went down
There is a rebroadcast going on at the moment.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLGSC2
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On June 29 2013 18:56 monkybone wrote:
Is it the open bracket going on now, and is there a liquipedia page for it?
In the OP, yes
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On June 29 2013 18:59 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 18:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 29 2013 18:56 monkybone wrote:
Is it the open bracket going on now, and is there a liquipedia page for it? In the OP, yes is it just me who can't find it? I'm looking for an overview of the open bracket
yup, just you 
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On June 29 2013 19:05 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 19:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 29 2013 18:59 monkybone wrote:On June 29 2013 18:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 29 2013 18:56 monkybone wrote:
Is it the open bracket going on now, and is there a liquipedia page for it? In the OP, yes is it just me who can't find it? I'm looking for an overview of the open bracket yup, just you arf, but these are played. I thought this was live. thanks anyway GG catz
Oh, hope I didn't spoil the results for you
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Haha that cannon rusher bubbles got 2-0'd by Hyun.
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On June 29 2013 16:39 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 16:26 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:22 ChApFoU wrote:
Are the brackets randomly generated ? If that's the case, koreans have a pretty shitty luck..... I´d say Jaedong and HerO have pretty good luck. Polt as well. Ofc. I know what you´re saying ( brackets 3,4 and 7 are more stacked than all others), but I don´t see any pattern here, which would express a manipulation from MLG´s side; seems about randomized for me, with seeding for high MLG finishes in the past. I don't agree with the seeding from past performance depending on the situation. I definitely don't agree that Huk should be seeded highly for doing well several years ago. I would have preferred that they take current skill into consideration, or at the very least not take into consider results from over a year ago. It kind of sucks that Stats and Dear have to meet so early when Naniwa and Huk and Polt basically have foreigner only brackets. Also how did Jaedong get such a high seed when he hasn't performed well or even been at past MLGs. They must've taken non-MLG results into consideration as well.
I did´nt say, that I agree with the seeding, just saying, that that was probably the way it was done. The problem is though, that (Captain obvious incoming) doing a good seeding is actually really hard neither Stats nor Dear has any solo-achievments or anything measurable to really rate them (Like WCS points, both are sitting at 0), we only know, that they are good, because we see them in a Team-league. Meanwhile Naniwa; Jaedong and HerO (the three highest ranked players at the tournery) are sitting on 2650/900/800 points already and thus get pretty easy brackets (It could actually just be a seeding on WCS points, now, that I think of it, the only anomaly in this case would be soO/Hyun both having more points than anyone in bracket 2).
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On June 29 2013 19:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 16:39 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 29 2013 16:26 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:22 ChApFoU wrote:
Are the brackets randomly generated ? If that's the case, koreans have a pretty shitty luck..... I´d say Jaedong and HerO have pretty good luck. Polt as well. Ofc. I know what you´re saying ( brackets 3,4 and 7 are more stacked than all others), but I don´t see any pattern here, which would express a manipulation from MLG´s side; seems about randomized for me, with seeding for high MLG finishes in the past. I don't agree with the seeding from past performance depending on the situation. I definitely don't agree that Huk should be seeded highly for doing well several years ago. I would have preferred that they take current skill into consideration, or at the very least not take into consider results from over a year ago. It kind of sucks that Stats and Dear have to meet so early when Naniwa and Huk and Polt basically have foreigner only brackets. Also how did Jaedong get such a high seed when he hasn't performed well or even been at past MLGs. They must've taken non-MLG results into consideration as well. I did´nt say, that I agree with the seeding, just saying, that that was probably the way it was done. The problem is though, that (Captain obvious incoming) doing a good seeding is actually really hard neither Stats nor Dear has any solo-achievments or anything measurable to really rate them (Like WCS points, both are sitting at 0), we only know, that they are good, because we see them in a Team-league. Meanwhile Naniwa; Jaedong and HerO (the three highest ranked players at the tournery) are sitting on 2650/900/800 points already and thus get pretty easy brackets (It could actually just be a seeding on WCS points, now, that I think of it, the only anomaly in this case would be soO/Hyun both having more points than anyone in bracket 2).
In case the seeding was random, it is ok i guess.
They won this: easiest qualifier ever. In my eyes the winner of MLG was chosen with this tournament.
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On June 29 2013 20:26 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 19:52 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:39 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 29 2013 16:26 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:22 ChApFoU wrote:
Are the brackets randomly generated ? If that's the case, koreans have a pretty shitty luck..... I´d say Jaedong and HerO have pretty good luck. Polt as well. Ofc. I know what you´re saying ( brackets 3,4 and 7 are more stacked than all others), but I don´t see any pattern here, which would express a manipulation from MLG´s side; seems about randomized for me, with seeding for high MLG finishes in the past. I don't agree with the seeding from past performance depending on the situation. I definitely don't agree that Huk should be seeded highly for doing well several years ago. I would have preferred that they take current skill into consideration, or at the very least not take into consider results from over a year ago. It kind of sucks that Stats and Dear have to meet so early when Naniwa and Huk and Polt basically have foreigner only brackets. Also how did Jaedong get such a high seed when he hasn't performed well or even been at past MLGs. They must've taken non-MLG results into consideration as well. I did´nt say, that I agree with the seeding, just saying, that that was probably the way it was done. The problem is though, that (Captain obvious incoming) doing a good seeding is actually really hard neither Stats nor Dear has any solo-achievments or anything measurable to really rate them (Like WCS points, both are sitting at 0), we only know, that they are good, because we see them in a Team-league. Meanwhile Naniwa; Jaedong and HerO (the three highest ranked players at the tournery) are sitting on 2650/900/800 points already and thus get pretty easy brackets (It could actually just be a seeding on WCS points, now, that I think of it, the only anomaly in this case would be soO/Hyun both having more points than anyone in bracket 2). In case the seeding was random, it is ok i guess. They won this: easiest qualifier ever. In my eyes the winner of MLG was chosen with this tournament.
I think Jaedong's opponent for the final was. By the way Illusion vs Incontrol now on the restream, for people that didn't catch it.
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Any VODS with Dear or Stats?
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On June 29 2013 20:26 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 19:52 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:39 BackSideAttack wrote:On June 29 2013 16:26 Xoronius wrote:On June 29 2013 16:22 ChApFoU wrote:
Are the brackets randomly generated ? If that's the case, koreans have a pretty shitty luck..... I´d say Jaedong and HerO have pretty good luck. Polt as well. Ofc. I know what you´re saying ( brackets 3,4 and 7 are more stacked than all others), but I don´t see any pattern here, which would express a manipulation from MLG´s side; seems about randomized for me, with seeding for high MLG finishes in the past. I don't agree with the seeding from past performance depending on the situation. I definitely don't agree that Huk should be seeded highly for doing well several years ago. I would have preferred that they take current skill into consideration, or at the very least not take into consider results from over a year ago. It kind of sucks that Stats and Dear have to meet so early when Naniwa and Huk and Polt basically have foreigner only brackets. Also how did Jaedong get such a high seed when he hasn't performed well or even been at past MLGs. They must've taken non-MLG results into consideration as well. I did´nt say, that I agree with the seeding, just saying, that that was probably the way it was done. The problem is though, that (Captain obvious incoming) doing a good seeding is actually really hard neither Stats nor Dear has any solo-achievments or anything measurable to really rate them (Like WCS points, both are sitting at 0), we only know, that they are good, because we see them in a Team-league. Meanwhile Naniwa; Jaedong and HerO (the three highest ranked players at the tournery) are sitting on 2650/900/800 points already and thus get pretty easy brackets (It could actually just be a seeding on WCS points, now, that I think of it, the only anomaly in this case would be soO/Hyun both having more points than anyone in bracket 2). In case the seeding was random, it is ok i guess. They won this: easiest qualifier ever. In my eyes the winner of MLG was chosen with this tournament.
I know about this and it is without a doubt impressive, but it is still a qualifier, held by kespa, not by MLG (afaik), to determine, who is going to represent kespa at the tournament. An unofficial qualifier, where only a part of the scene can compete (even though it is one of the strongest parts), should´nt influence the seeding. That sucks for Stats and Dear (and STC and Grubby and everyone else in that bracket, since only 2 will make it out), but it is the right move to prevent any kind of lobbyism.
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Does anyone know if Nonys games were casted/streamed? and if so where i can find it in the video? A timestamp would be nice.
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On June 29 2013 20:59 Emuking wrote:
Does anyone know if Nonys games were casted/streamed? and if so where i can find it in the video? A timestamp would be nice.
nonys first game vs maximum black was the first game streamed on the main sc2 stream by day and djwheat
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On June 29 2013 20:59 Emuking wrote:
Does anyone know if Nonys games were casted/streamed? and if so where i can find it in the video? A timestamp would be nice.
Nony vs Maximus was the first streamed game of the night.
Nony vs Hwansin was on the NASL stream around 1am EST last night.
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