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On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU.
Well there are none in OSL either so currently the only code there is in Korea is code B.
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On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts.
code B skill level, not literally code b level.
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On June 26 2013 17:10 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:01 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL? Dude. Who are the best players in GSTL right now? Ryung and Vampire(Super) Who are the best players in PL? Rain, Flash, Innovation. Not to take anything away from Ryung and Vampire, but i doubt they are on the same level as Rain flash or innovation. IM and Startale have deep rosters with a lot of talent and could compete. While as Axiom acer is 20-14 in GSTL. which is good but you gotta remember. Ryung is 10-4. the rest of the team is 10-10. In a PL format that means, that you loose games with something like a 4-2 score most of the time. And in the alkill rounds i really doubt that Ryung or Vampire could take out super aces like Flash, Rain, Innovation or Roro I don't think Team MVP would do horribly, they have a large roster, actually I think MVP is better than Startale right now in terms of proleague format. Startale's lineup would probably be something like this Core players: Life Bomber Curious Avenge Supporting players: Sound Golden Hack MVP's Core players: vampire tails nakseo(monster) keen dream Supporting players: drg sniper finale noblesse shine MVP has more options, as well as more protoss.
Except I think that aside from keen and maybe vampire nobody of them could ever win against a midtier PL player. Where as Life, Bomber, Curious could at least take maps i feel.
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On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro
OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B.
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On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU.
Nor does Korea since the introduction of WCS.
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Yes Jjakji. You are doing in. Now you will get Life in Code A....
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On June 26 2013 17:10 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:01 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL? Dude. Who are the best players in GSTL right now? Ryung and Vampire(Super) Who are the best players in PL? Rain, Flash, Innovation. Not to take anything away from Ryung and Vampire, but i doubt they are on the same level as Rain flash or innovation. IM and Startale have deep rosters with a lot of talent and could compete. While as Axiom acer is 20-14 in GSTL. which is good but you gotta remember. Ryung is 10-4. the rest of the team is 10-10. In a PL format that means, that you loose games with something like a 4-2 score most of the time. And in the alkill rounds i really doubt that Ryung or Vampire could take out super aces like Flash, Rain, Innovation or Roro I don't think Team MVP would do horribly, they have a large roster, actually I think MVP is better than Startale right now in terms of proleague format. Startale's lineup would probably be something like this Core players: Life Bomber Curious Avenge Supporting players: Sound Golden Hack MVP's Core players: vampire tails nakseo(monster) keen dream Supporting players: drg sniper finale noblesse shine MVP has more options, as well as more protoss.
But ST's core is stronger than MVP's
ST is basically KT in a nutshell.
One godly player: Flash/Life
Two crazy good back ups: Bomber/Curious vs Zest/Stats
Player on the rise: Crazy hydra/Avenge
Used to be good: Hack vs Action
Rest: Garbage vs Garbage.
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On June 26 2013 17:12 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:10 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 17:01 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL? Dude. Who are the best players in GSTL right now? Ryung and Vampire(Super) Who are the best players in PL? Rain, Flash, Innovation. Not to take anything away from Ryung and Vampire, but i doubt they are on the same level as Rain flash or innovation. IM and Startale have deep rosters with a lot of talent and could compete. While as Axiom acer is 20-14 in GSTL. which is good but you gotta remember. Ryung is 10-4. the rest of the team is 10-10. In a PL format that means, that you loose games with something like a 4-2 score most of the time. And in the alkill rounds i really doubt that Ryung or Vampire could take out super aces like Flash, Rain, Innovation or Roro I don't think Team MVP would do horribly, they have a large roster, actually I think MVP is better than Startale right now in terms of proleague format. Startale's lineup would probably be something like this Core players: Life Bomber Curious Avenge Supporting players: Sound Golden Hack MVP's Core players: vampire tails nakseo(monster) keen dream Supporting players: drg sniper finale noblesse shine MVP has more options, as well as more protoss. Except I think that aside from keen and maybe vampire nobody of them could ever win against a midtier PL player. Where as Life, Bomber, Curious could at least take maps i feel.
It's possible to overcome a skill gap with extensive planning and good builds, saying they wouldn't win any games is way off the mark I feel. MVP actually has a ton of players in WCS and they have all taken maps off proleague players in there.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B.
There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues.
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On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B.
Now you are just talking stupid none-sense because level-wise MVP is still up at the top. Else we can just say some random Code B Korean place Top 4 at WCS Season finals. Then i might attend there aswell and get me some money
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On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B.
Your posts are dumb, you make yourself look like a fool and your reasoning is dumb as well. Get a clue or simply don't post. Its annoying as you clearly don't follow the scene at all or you would know that MVP , even though he might not be at the best level ever, is very feared in preperation tournaments and especially bo5+ format.
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United States97276 Posts
Annyeong so close in his return but it looks like jjakji will probably win this game. oh well I like jjakji too so I can't be too disappointed. At least ZerO qualified in this session.
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On June 26 2013 17:13 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:10 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 17:01 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL? Dude. Who are the best players in GSTL right now? Ryung and Vampire(Super) Who are the best players in PL? Rain, Flash, Innovation. Not to take anything away from Ryung and Vampire, but i doubt they are on the same level as Rain flash or innovation. IM and Startale have deep rosters with a lot of talent and could compete. While as Axiom acer is 20-14 in GSTL. which is good but you gotta remember. Ryung is 10-4. the rest of the team is 10-10. In a PL format that means, that you loose games with something like a 4-2 score most of the time. And in the alkill rounds i really doubt that Ryung or Vampire could take out super aces like Flash, Rain, Innovation or Roro I don't think Team MVP would do horribly, they have a large roster, actually I think MVP is better than Startale right now in terms of proleague format. Startale's lineup would probably be something like this Core players: Life Bomber Curious Avenge Supporting players: Sound Golden Hack MVP's Core players: vampire tails nakseo(monster) keen dream Supporting players: drg sniper finale noblesse shine MVP has more options, as well as more protoss. But ST's core is stronger than MVP's ST is basically KT in a nutshell. One godly player: Flash/Life Two crazy good back ups: Bomber/Curious vs Zest/Stats Player on the rise: Crazy hydra/Avenge Used to be good: Hack vs Action Rest: Garbage vs Garbage.
I really don't think Startale's core is that much better than MVP's at all, in fact I think It's really weak lately. Bomber is in slump mode again, Life seems to be declining, Curious just got knocked out of OSL 0-2. Avenge is the only one really going strong.
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On June 26 2013 17:14 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B. There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues.
OK, Mvp is below WCS KR challenger league level.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:43 Zealously wrote:
Might as well put Bisu under "Notable players eliminated" already
*Shrug*
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On June 26 2013 17:16 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:14 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B. There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues. OK, Mvp is below WCS KR challenger league level.
Proof of that being a bo5 loss to INnoVation with 2-3 (WCS KR Premier Runner Up, WCS Global Champion) ? Great! You really have it figured out.
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On June 26 2013 17:16 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:14 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B. There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues. OK, Mvp is below WCS KR challenger league level.
But he aint, and proved this during the finals.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 26 2013 17:16 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:14 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B. There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues. OK, Mvp is below WCS KR challenger league level.
oh shut up
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On June 26 2013 17:16 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:14 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:12 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:11 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 Ysellian wrote:On June 26 2013 17:09 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 17:08 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 17:06 edgeOut wrote:On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player. If he is in code B, he is a code B level player, what's wrong about that? If he comes back to WCS Korea next year, he's in code B to qualify. Fanboys just can't bear with the butthurt facts. By that logic. Innovation is a Code B level player. Everyone is a code b level player in 2/3 Leagues. What, how is innovation in code B? Innovation would be in the qualifiers if he were to join AM or EU There are no codes in AM and EU. And there is no such thing as "Code B". This is what the community calls the Code A Qualifiers. So with your logic there is no such thing as "Code B level". jokes on you bro OK, MVP is below code A level player. I didn't first call it code B. There's no such thing as Code A and Code S now too, though. Code A is now Challenger League, and Code S is only for GOMTV productions, while OGN call their tournament Starleague. WCS considers them Premier Leagues. OK, Mvp is below WCS KR challenger league level.
you can rephrase your sentence as long as you want, you still sound stupid and i hope you get banned as the other dude that kept talking the same stupid things.
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On June 26 2013 17:15 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 17:13 LighT. wrote:On June 26 2013 17:10 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 17:01 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:
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Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:
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Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now.
He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL? Dude. Who are the best players in GSTL right now? Ryung and Vampire(Super) Who are the best players in PL? Rain, Flash, Innovation. Not to take anything away from Ryung and Vampire, but i doubt they are on the same level as Rain flash or innovation. IM and Startale have deep rosters with a lot of talent and could compete. While as Axiom acer is 20-14 in GSTL. which is good but you gotta remember. Ryung is 10-4. the rest of the team is 10-10. In a PL format that means, that you loose games with something like a 4-2 score most of the time. And in the alkill rounds i really doubt that Ryung or Vampire could take out super aces like Flash, Rain, Innovation or Roro I don't think Team MVP would do horribly, they have a large roster, actually I think MVP is better than Startale right now in terms of proleague format. Startale's lineup would probably be something like this Core players: Life Bomber Curious Avenge Supporting players: Sound Golden Hack MVP's Core players: vampire tails nakseo(monster) keen dream Supporting players: drg sniper finale noblesse shine MVP has more options, as well as more protoss. But ST's core is stronger than MVP's ST is basically KT in a nutshell. One godly player: Flash/Life Two crazy good back ups: Bomber/Curious vs Zest/Stats Player on the rise: Crazy hydra/Avenge Used to be good: Hack vs Action Rest: Garbage vs Garbage. I really don't think Startale's core is that much better than MVP's at all, in fact I think It's really weak lately. Bomber is in slump mode again, Life seems to be declining, Curious just got knocked out of OSL 0-2. Avenge is the only one really going strong.
I feel like you are overvaluing GSTL results. Let's see if Bomber is in slump mode towmorrow.
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