This game is quite huge. If Stars wins, they will make their first Grand Final appearance since 2004. It'd be their first trip back to a Proleague final since beating Nada's WeMadeFox.
Ah, Stars can't "clinch" today, but if they do win, it's a 99% they'll be in the grand finals. They'll be five games up on KT with KT having five games left. If Stars win today, then Stars would have to go 0-4 in their last four, KT to go 5-0 in their last five, and for KT to make up a +18 map difference. It'd be impossible without Savior on Woongjin.
Normally you'd think EZ-TL vs the #1 team would be a blowout but EG-TL have won their last 2 matches while Woongjin just got AK'd by the 2nd worst team, T8. Sure EG-TL are missing JD and Taeja but they were missing Hero, Taeja, Alive, and Revival against SKT1 and did just fine. EG-TL have also managed to upset Woongjin a couple times, with a 2-3 head-to-head record.
Smart money of course on Woongjin but anything can surely happen tonight.
this could be pretty ugly. woongjin's lineup is unparalleled in terms of depth and consistency, looked up everyone's matchup stats tonight, woongjin lookin strong as shit. at least there will be good practice for egtl. 4-2 woongjin.
On June 16 2013 15:32 Evil_Sheep wrote: Normally you'd think EZ-TL vs the #1 team would be a blowout but EG-TL have won their last 2 matches while Woongjin just got AK'd by the 2nd worst team, T8. Sure EG-TL are missing JD and Taeja but they were missing Hero, Taeja, Alive, and Revival against SKT1 and did just fine. EG-TL have also managed to upset Woongjin a couple times, with a 2-3 head-to-head record.
Smart money of course on Woongjin but anything can surely happen tonight.
They haven't been EZ to beat in HOTS. They are a mid tier team in HOTS.
Err well their W/L may not have been in the toilet, but hots has still had plenty of EZ-TL moments for fans to savour :S
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I think they're good enough it's just that they got a lot better mid season but by then it was already too late.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
they're better than airforce ace, which means they're good enough for proleague. not good enough to win, no, but no one other than SKT or KT has won in the past 3+ years.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
they're better than airforce ace, which means they're good enough for proleague. not good enough to win, no, but no one other than SKT or KT has won in the past 3+ years.
"The first set's winner is EGTL's Oz! Congrats!" Thank you "It's been a while since we last interviewed, no?" Yes haha "Hows your condition today?" Idk about condition but my luck was pretty good today. I didn't think my situation was that good, especially when I lost those 20 probes. "After your match vs. SKT1, your reaction speed seems to have increased!" After beating Rain, I feel like my confidence has increased and I have been playing better. ....Also, I'm the oldest in EGTL and I should do better and I was so sorry but now, I think I'm.....doing well for the oldest. ^ ^ Also I lose during the ranking a lot and the others would poke fun at me. .... For a progamer, I'm pretty old so I was a bit slacking but now I'm working really hard so I think that there should be at least one more chance for me so I'll keep my eye open for it and will work harder.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
they're better than airforce ace, which means they're good enough for proleague. not good enough to win, no, but no one other than SKT or KT has won in the past 3+ years.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
they're better than airforce ace, which means they're good enough for proleague. not good enough to win, no, but no one other than SKT or KT has won in the past 3+ years.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft.
What. GSTL is just as popular as Proleague for foreigners.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft.
It's not " dead " yet by any means, at least not until we hear that prime and azubu will officially disband.
Not like free micro'd either, he had a couple Zealots attacking the nexus along with one of his Colossi. Ah well, gg I guess. I'm just glad we definitely get to see Soulkey v HerO.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft.
It's not " dead " yet by any means, at least not until we hear that prime and azubu will officially disband.
I'll be surprised if there are more than 4 teams by the last quarter. That and the fact that these people are pretty much starving of starcraft. One (mostly one sided) winnerleague match per 2 weeks, are you kidding me?
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft.
It's not " dead " yet by any means, at least not until we hear that prime and azubu will officially disband.
I'll be surprised if there are more than 4 teams by the last quarter. That and the fact that these people are pretty much starving of starcraft. One (mostly one sided) winnerleague match per 2 weeks, are you kidding me?
Yeah GSTL doesn't have enough games, that's my biggest complaint about it right now. We went 3 weeks without any GSTL matches until the two this week. Proleague probably had 10-12 series' in that time.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
"The first set's winner is EGTL's Oz! Congrats!" Thank you "It's been a while since we last interviewed, no?" Yes haha "Hows your condition today?" Idk about condition but my luck was pretty good today. I didn't think my situation was that good, especially when I lost those 20 probes. "After your match vs. SKT1, your reaction speed seems to have increased!" After beating Rain, I feel like my confidence has increased and I have been playing better. ....Also, I'm the oldest in EGTL and I should do better and I was so sorry but now, I think I'm.....doing well for the oldest. ^ ^ Also I lose during the ranking a lot and the others would poke fun at me. .... For a progamer, I'm pretty old so I was a bit slacking but now I'm working really hard so I think that there should be at least one more chance for me so I'll keep my eye open for it and will work harder.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
GSTL dead? Not only is it still awesome, the stream numbers have been historically much higher than Proleague. Like, I don't see any Nestea all-kills in Proleague or tomatoheads
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Gotta keep in mind that there are people that have followed those teams since they started up. People that didn't necessarily follow BW at all, and don't care that much about the Kespa teams.
Also GSTL seem to care more about foreign viewers than PL.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Gotta keep in mind that there are people that have followed those teams since they started up. People that didn't necessarily follow BW at all, and don't care that much about the Kespa teams.
Also GSTL seem to care more about foreign viewers than PL.
The whole " we don't care about BW players and we've always followed eSF teams " was true like 8 months ago, but Kespa has been here for over a year now so I don't think It's as true anymore.
GOM obviously cares more about foreign viewers or kespa would spend more money to get better english casters.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Television vs Internet man. LG would have moved a few million more Optimus, players would have mention 10 more sponsors if IM plays at Yongsan
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Television vs Internet man. LG would have moved a few million more Optimus, players would have mention 10 more sponsors if IM plays at Yongsan
I agree and I really think IM will play in proleague next season just for the increased advertising, I thought we were talking about the foreign audience though.
"The winner of Set 2, congratulations free from Woongjin Stars!" Thank you "How were you feeling?" After losing a lot, I was really stressed but today, even when I do well, I told myself to not lose the lead. "What do you think about your play in HotS?" Well with more practice, there's less uneasiness. "If Woongjin wins today, you guys will definitely be 1st for the playoffs, do you think it'll be possible?" Well we lost 0-4 in our previous match so we think we'll do well today and our future games. "Wait you mean the other games for this round?" Haha no, I mean today's sets. Afterwards, we'll have to work hard to do well when the times comes to it.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Gotta keep in mind that there are people that have followed those teams since they started up. People that didn't necessarily follow BW at all, and don't care that much about the Kespa teams.
Also GSTL seem to care more about foreign viewers than PL.
The whole " we don't care about BW players and we've always followed eSF teams " was true like 8 months ago, but Kespa has been here for over a year now so I don't think It's as true anymore.
GOM obviously cares more about foreign viewers or kespa would spend more money to get better english casters.
Guess I worded it wrong, what I meant is that people are bigger fans of the eSF teams and players because they've been following them since the start, not that they don't care about kespa teams.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
GSTL dead? Not only is it still awesome, the stream numbers have been historically much higher than Proleague. Like, I don't see any Nestea all-kills in Proleague or tomatoheads
The point is that there is barely ever any content, too many teams/players with zero chance, and a looming threat of teams disbanding. If you like the show aspect that's fine, I agree that GOMTV production and casters are much better, but it's just not relevant any more. Playing competitive Starcraft is what matters and GSTL can't deliver.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Television vs Internet man. LG would have moved a few million more Optimus, players would have mention 10 more sponsors if IM plays at Yongsan
Maybe, we have never seen TV numbers for sc2 so it's hard to say. Something needs to be done with GSTL, even with less teams (If Azubu/Prime did die) I'm sure they could find a format that is more exciting than it is atm.
Right now, neither is really prestigious. I'll wait for my final judgment when playoffs/finals come. I'm hoping OGN doesn't totally disregard the Proleague finals. After a fucking year of playing, hopefully they go all out.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
GSTL dead? Not only is it still awesome, the stream numbers have been historically much higher than Proleague. Like, I don't see any Nestea all-kills in Proleague or tomatoheads
The point is that there is barely ever any content, too many teams/players with zero chance, and a looming threat of teams disbanding. If you like the show aspect that's fine, I agree that GOMTV production and casters are much better, but it's just not relevant any more. Playing competitive Starcraft is what matters and GSTL can't deliver.
There are still a lot of good matches and I actually think that the top 6 teams in GSTL are all capable of winning. The biggest issue is the frequency of matches and the looming threat of teams disbanding. With changes GSTL can still continue but I'd rather see a PL with more teams and GOM covering PL.
On June 16 2013 16:02 KristofferAG wrote: I don't think anyone should be saying EG-TL is terrible, they're not, they're just not good enough for proleague.
I would have agreed with that last until recently but look at their record, they're only one or two games off the pace of CJ and T8. If EG-TL aren't good enough for PL neither are those two.
Still I might prefer to see them in GSTL next time, though not sure about that now...
No, LOL. GSTL is practically dead. Proleague is the alpha and the omega of Starcraft. EG-TL just needs to try harder, and Alive needs to stop being depressed.
Nope
It might not be dead but I think more people watch PL than GSTL. Personally, I've only ever watched PL and think having one team league instead of two would be better but meh lol.
The only reason Proleague doesn't crush GSTL in viewership is the gom production + gom casters vs whiplash and supernovamaniac. GSTL still gets a lot of viewers, Prime vs MVP peaked at about 20k viewers on twitch a few days ago.
Television vs Internet man. LG would have moved a few million more Optimus, players would have mention 10 more sponsors if IM plays at Yongsan
I agree and I really think IM will play in proleague next season just for the increased advertising, I thought we were talking about the foreign audience though.
Watching IM in pro league would be amazing! They just need to buy Maru/Jjaki to deepen their terrans as well to make everything perfect.
On June 16 2013 16:37 Fionn wrote: GSTL sometimes gets more people than Proleague.
Right now, neither is really prestigious. I'll wait for my final judgment when playoffs/finals come. I'm hoping OGN doesn't totally disregard the Proleague finals. After a fucking year of playing, hopefully they go all out.
PL is very prestigious in the sens that most of the best players in the world see it as the most important tournament. It is not very prestigious in the sens that many foreigners disregard it.
On June 16 2013 16:37 Fionn wrote: GSTL sometimes gets more people than Proleague.
Right now, neither is really prestigious. I'll wait for my final judgment when playoffs/finals come. I'm hoping OGN doesn't totally disregard the Proleague finals. After a fucking year of playing, hopefully they go all out.
PL is very prestigious in the sens that most of the best players in the world see it as the most important tournament. It is not very prestigious in the sens that many foreigners disregard it.
but when JD is crying out for more people to turn up, it's hard to imagine bw progamers think pl as prestige as before
This is painful to watch ... when will Zerg players learn to cover their whole main base with creep and place static defense at the point of entry for a Warp Prism?
Honestly the base snipes for 1200+ minerals worth of zealots isn't a big deal, if this game goes to the very end Zenio will be the one with more resources on his side of the map.
On June 16 2013 16:51 Dodgin wrote: Honestly the base snipes for 1200+ minerals worth of zealots isn't a big deal, if this game goes to the very end Zenio will be the one with more resources on his side of the map.
It's annoying for him. Make him loses his concentration.
On June 16 2013 16:51 Dodgin wrote: Honestly the base snipes for 1200+ minerals worth of zealots isn't a big deal, if this game goes to the very end Zenio will be the one with more resources on his side of the map.
It's annoying for him. Make him loses his concentration.
PS : And ultimately the game ...
If it was a Zerg with more composure I think sOs would have ended up losing
Zenio defence against warpprism harass was terrible. But SoS's composition against swarmhosts was pretty bad too. I'm surprised, he is supposed to be good protoss.
On June 16 2013 16:55 stuchiu wrote: I like how PvZ ultimately falls back to both sides just making the most death ball-ish armies possible.
Perhaps Zenio should have not let sOs get away with building 3 bases while his only unit was 1 immortal.
Perhaps Zenio should have covered his main base with creep and placed Spore Crawlers at the edgoe of the base instead of allowing a space for the Warp Prism to warp in units safely. Sure the Protoss can kill the Spores with Void Rays, but what is worse? Losing workers and tech or having to rebuild those Spores?
On June 16 2013 16:37 Fionn wrote: GSTL sometimes gets more people than Proleague.
Right now, neither is really prestigious. I'll wait for my final judgment when playoffs/finals come. I'm hoping OGN doesn't totally disregard the Proleague finals. After a fucking year of playing, hopefully they go all out.
PL is very prestigious in the sens that most of the best players in the world see it as the most important tournament. It is not very prestigious in the sens that many foreigners disregard it.
but when JD is crying out for more people to turn up, it's hard to imagine bw progamers think pl as prestige as before
On June 16 2013 16:58 Tuczniak wrote: Zenio defence against warpprism harass was terrible. But SoS's composition against swarmhosts was pretty bad too. I'm surprised, he is supposed to be good protoss.
I think sOs' gameplan was to abuse the swarm host's immoblity, by zealot warp-in harrass to cripple Zenio's economy. sOs' main army was just to hold the fort, and hope that Zenio can't move in for the kill. In the end, Zenio's bases were razed and he had no economy. Even if Zenio could destroy sOs' main army, sOs would have enough resources to reinforce in time, and counter-attack for the win.
Ooh, sweet map intro. Seems like the SpoTV staff stopped screwing around and started making better interstitial content or at least using OGN's or something.
I guess I have to stop giving Revival so much shit now, I thought his 2nd place in WCS AM was a fluke but he's been playing pretty well in Proleague ever since coming back from that tournament.
Coach park knowing that a new haircut would lead to ultimate victory #believe
Also I am going to take suicide, these casters... I get hyped up in the game for something and then they come along and ruin it constantly, either by being completely wrong or not being observant on the map.
People forgot that he used to be a beast at ZvZ, and in the early parts of proleague he was actually one of the players with the most wins on EGTL IIRC. I feel like his main weakness has always been his late game decision making but his early/mid fundamentals are quite solid.
On June 16 2013 17:17 Dodgin wrote: I guess I have to stop giving Revival so much shit now, I thought his 2nd place in WCS AM was a fluke but he's been playing pretty well in Proleague ever since coming back from that tournament.
In a lot of his loses he actually played pretty good but barely lost. His WCS AM placement wasn't that impressive though. Beat a bunch of foreigners and cheesed out Alive.
Revival is very solid.
Solid is the last thing I'd call Revival . The player is way too streaky but at least he's not lacking talent. He's playing now like the player he should have been for the last 6 months :S At least his name suits.
On June 16 2013 17:17 Dodgin wrote: I guess I have to stop giving Revival so much shit now, I thought his 2nd place in WCS AM was a fluke but he's been playing pretty well in Proleague ever since coming back from that tournament.
HerO must be pretty damn pleased right about now. Succesful cannoning, which just now killed a bunch of lings as well. Scouts the bunch of lings. HerO is in a real nice spot.
On June 16 2013 17:41 Fody03 wrote: Best PvZer in the world.
!!!
eh, not even close :/
i think he's referencing how hero used to have the best PvZ in the world
He did? When?
sometime last year when he sent warp prisms everywhere and harassed like crazy before that type of play became standard and other than that just really solid vZ. I think it was like early-mid last year(when he made his ro4/ro8 in gsl)
On June 16 2013 17:41 Fody03 wrote: Best PvZer in the world.
!!!
You know this cannon rush only works in a Bo1 in Proleague . Hero is pretty good , but Shy and Rain are better .
You're right, this strategy would never work in the GSL Ro4 or WCS Finals Ro4.
That's just silly.
I thought they will be a Bo1 this season so it can work there . Kidding aside wonder why this cannonrush cannot work in a bo3 though. But I guess he meant every game hehe.
On June 16 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Woongjin is going to end at #1, but I'm starting to wonder if they will actually beat whatever team comes up to meet them in the finals.
We'll see, maybe after losing to EG-TL they will get the EG CURSE
On June 16 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Woongjin is going to end at #1, but I'm starting to wonder if they will actually beat whatever team comes up to meet them in the finals.
We'll see, maybe after losing to EG-TL they will get the EG CURSE
On June 16 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Woongjin is going to end at #1, but I'm starting to wonder if they will actually beat whatever team comes up to meet them in the finals.
We'll see, maybe after losing to EG-TL they will get the EG CURSE
On June 16 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Woongjin is going to end at #1, but I'm starting to wonder if they will actually beat whatever team comes up to meet them in the finals.
If it's KT then probably not. KT 4-1ed them twice since HotS. KT SHALL WIN IN THE END!
Actually, EGTL has a lineup consisting of pretty solid players, if no super-ace. Oz, aLive, Hero and Revival are all players who are either solid code-A or fringe code S. They just really needed to get it together and then the wins would have come. If Taeja returns, they could very well have the super-ace they need to win more reliably and place better in any subsequent proleague endeavors.
On June 16 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Woongjin is going to end at #1, but I'm starting to wonder if they will actually beat whatever team comes up to meet them in the finals.
We'll see, maybe after losing to EG-TL they will get the EG CURSE
I don't think you know what the EG curse is
I don't think you know what sarcasm is
It's the internet, you never know if people are sarcastic or just stupid.
On June 16 2013 17:41 Fody03 wrote: Best PvZer in the world.
!!!
You know this cannon rush only works in a Bo1 in Proleague . Hero is pretty good , but Shy , JangBi and Rain are better .
agree with Rain, but saying Jangbi and shy are better than Hero is just garbage.
Edit: Shy=Sos right? sorry i mixed up Sos with flying :0 i can say Sos, Rain>Hero but Jangbi >Hero is just nono we need to see how he does in primier league
On June 16 2013 18:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Sick. What happened to Oz? He's been performing again! Super glad to see aLive, Revival and Oz playing well again. These guys have sick potential.
And well, everybody should know by now that HerO is a beast.
HerO is a beast. Of the Power Nine (the 9 players on the Power Rank everyone can agree are the best), HerO has now played 7 of them in HotS and defeated 5: Rain, Flash, Symbol, Roro, and Soulkey. And people say his pvz is bad...
On June 16 2013 18:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Sick. What happened to Oz? He's been performing again! Super glad to see aLive, Revival and Oz playing well again. These guys have sick potential.
And well, everybody should know by now that HerO is a beast.
It's the reverse EG curse hehe
These players were in major slumps before getting picked up by EG. I think it was alive who was even thinking of retiring.. Happy to see their form improve so much. Also WCS seems to have had a huge impact on revival. Some credit prob should go to coach park too.
What's so impressive is that almost every week EGTL is forced to field a less than optimal and constantly changing lineup, and yet they are still competitive against some of better teams in proleague
On June 16 2013 18:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Sick. What happened to Oz? He's been performing again! Super glad to see aLive, Revival and Oz playing well again. These guys have sick potential.
And well, everybody should know by now that HerO is a beast.
It's the reverse EG curse hehe
These players were in major slumps before getting picked up by EG. I think it was alive who was even thinking of retiring.. Happy to see their form improve so much. Also WCS seems to have had a huge impact on revival. Some credit prob should go to coach park too.
What's so impressive is that almost every week EGTL is forced to field a less than optimal and constantly changing lineup, and yet they are still competitive against some of better teams in proleague
HerO played so beautifully, just a pleasure to watch an artist at work.
Given the current momentum, WJS really have to get their shit together. It´s so dangerous to enter the playoffs on a losing streak. KT vs SKT finals has to happen though.
On June 16 2013 19:01 Gladiator6 wrote: What is the name of the song before each game?
"I'm still the same, I'm still the same" I recognize the voice but can't remember the band. T_T
Can't hear more of the lyrics unfortunately because of SNM and Whiplash
It's this song:
On June 16 2013 23:07 zeratul_jf wrote: Is it possible for EGTL to still go to the playoff if they win all of their matches? or do they depending on other people losing theirs as well
I believe it was said that they're out of the running.
That is possibly why they're playing a little more care-free now.
nice work EG-TL! I went to sleep after the JYP game where he got rolled lol and figured it'll be a close game. Nice to see them win especially with HerO taking out SK and aLive taking out Flying
Jangbi is really good judging from his recent games, looking forward to seeing him in the individual leagues more going forward.
HerO, so underrated and in my opinion unfairly maligned for playing WCS NA. He underperformed against forGG at the season finals, but dismantled Symbol pretty handily. Mvp attracts a very little flak for playing in EU. I do wish they'd both got to stay in Kr tbh, for the prestige, but ever since they dropped the prize pool of a tournament that is INSANELY stacked, it's probably the smart decision.
The amount of players who are listed as better all-round Protoss players than HerO is frequently fucking ridiculous by pretty much any metric you use.
On June 17 2013 00:28 Emzeeshady wrote: [quote] Yes, but he had bad luck in his ups and downs and Code A is still better then WCS AM Premier league in my book.
HerO is still easily better than him. Also better than Jangbi.
I don't think so. Maybe in PvP but HerO seems very weak vs Terran and his only wins vs Zerg seem to come from canon rushes these days.
I don't know if you have watched Super or Jangbi play recently but they have improved a LOT in HOTS.
HerO's PvT isn't great right now, I agree. But it's still really damn good. His PvZ is amazing though and his PvP is great.
Jangbi has been really good lately which I love but he's not at HerO's level quite yet I'd say.
Well, he hasn't had the opportunity to travel outside of Korea yet. Their records in PL are comparable though.
I put Proleague very low on determining a player's skill. Bo1s hold very little value for me.
well aren't you a special little snowflake
Excuse me? :p
He called you a special little snowflake.
Crazy..EG-TL is actually in 7th! and there's a small possibilty they can even come in 5th to close out the season! What a turnaround that would be.
Can you explain why they are in 7th now? I don't get it. See my posting a bit earlier.
EG-TL was 14:22 before this match. Why are they now suddenly 16:22 and not 15:22?
There's a bug somewhere. Some of the teams apparently have 1 extra game - 5 rounds x 7 matches per round = 35 matches + 2 matches played = they should be at 37, not 38. Same with T8.
But even as 15-22, they have a better record than T8 who is 15-23. If EGTL wins and CJ loses, they'll move into 6th place, and even 5th place isn't far out of reach! That would be a pretty good finish all said and done, after the hype, the under-hype, and the re-rise.
EPT
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