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On May 29 2013 11:12 Black Gun wrote:
It has been a long time since I've looked forward to a gsl finals as much as i do to this one. the two possibly best players in the world face each other in an epic onslaught... and they are clearly the two best players of this gsl season, thats for sure.
this final has sick potential. i just hope it lives up to it. the proleague match between the two was a nice appetizer.
Well to be frank, if we hadn't the proleague that gave us 2 appetizers for Inno vs soulkey (1-1 in macro games), I would say Innovation crushes.
But if Soulkey "Symbolize" a bit his play, it should be pretty even.
Because Soulkey is good enough in macro games to scare Inno and force him to be extra greedy, so that Soulkey all-ins should work better.
I would really like to see Ragnarok's Baneling/roaches drop "all-in", because it looked f***ing scary, and having 1 or 2 tanks don't really help you (in contrast of a banelings speed/roaches all-in, where 1 or 2 tanks eliminate all the banelings).
But my fear is that the 2 proleagues games between the 2 are not the most accurate, because wirlwind is kinda a special map in the mappool
Edit: just looked up, it looks like it's 40-24 in Hots in favor of terran :D
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 29 2013 11:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 10:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 04:25 alexiii wrote:On May 28 2013 19:27 largehadroncollider wrote:On May 28 2013 18:03 opterown wrote:On May 28 2013 17:54 largehadroncollider wrote:[quote] I guess you can say that eSF players are... Dodgin.  I see your IM tag, but you're saying MVP isn't as good as Soulkey/INno? stop trying to bait Excuse me? I am not baiting KeSPA vs eSF or whatever. I am actually suggesting that MVP/Symbol/Gumiho/Bomber, the best of eSF, can hold up to the likes of INnoVation/Flash/Soulkey/Rain. You've seen this GSL right? 3 ESF in the final 8 to 4 Kespa isn;t that bad I am not counting Parting on either side because his WOL was for ESF and his HOTS was for Kespa. Both were valuable for his success. Prior to WOL he was Kespa. So, how does that work? Completely different game. That is like saying Grubby's WC3 team should be credited for his SC2 wins. HOTS is just an expo pack that carried on almost all the skills needed to be a successful WOL Toss player (good forcefields, timings, blink micro, etc). Let me ask you a question. Name 10 of the best SC2 players from WOL and HOTS and tell me which game did they transition from. Here's an easier question and I will provide you with the answer: Which game did most of these players come from? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Did Life, Squirtle, Creator or Leenock play BW professionally? I know DRG, Mvp and MKP did but I don't know about the others. Not sure about Life or Creator. I know Squirtle and Leenock did. They didn't play professionally, but they transitioned from BW.
do you have a source for leenock? playing a game for fun is much different to playing competitively, i'm sure most korean males have played BW at some point
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On May 29 2013 11:50 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 11:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 10:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 04:25 alexiii wrote:On May 28 2013 19:27 largehadroncollider wrote:On May 28 2013 18:03 opterown wrote:
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stop trying to bait Excuse me? I am not baiting KeSPA vs eSF or whatever. I am actually suggesting that MVP/Symbol/Gumiho/Bomber, the best of eSF, can hold up to the likes of INnoVation/Flash/Soulkey/Rain. You've seen this GSL right? 3 ESF in the final 8 to 4 Kespa isn;t that bad I am not counting Parting on either side because his WOL was for ESF and his HOTS was for Kespa. Both were valuable for his success. Prior to WOL he was Kespa. So, how does that work? Completely different game. That is like saying Grubby's WC3 team should be credited for his SC2 wins. HOTS is just an expo pack that carried on almost all the skills needed to be a successful WOL Toss player (good forcefields, timings, blink micro, etc). Let me ask you a question. Name 10 of the best SC2 players from WOL and HOTS and tell me which game did they transition from. Here's an easier question and I will provide you with the answer: Which game did most of these players come from? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Did Life, Squirtle, Creator or Leenock play BW professionally? I know DRG, Mvp and MKP did but I don't know about the others. Not sure about Life or Creator. I know Squirtle and Leenock did. They didn't play professionally, but they transitioned from BW. do you have a source for leenock? playing a game for fun is much different to playing competitively, i'm sure most korean males have played BW at some point
According to Liquipedia, "Leenock was an amateur Brood War player who reached A rank on iCCup. Some of his games are still available from IdrA's Ladder Replay Pack during TSL2."
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I don't care at all about this finals, I dislike both players.
But it would be a travesty if Soulkey won this match, it would be absolutely ridiculous and senseless.
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opterown
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On May 29 2013 11:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 11:50 opterown wrote:On May 29 2013 11:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 10:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 04:25 alexiii wrote:On May 28 2013 19:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
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Excuse me? I am not baiting KeSPA vs eSF or whatever. I am actually suggesting that MVP/Symbol/Gumiho/Bomber, the best of eSF, can hold up to the likes of INnoVation/Flash/Soulkey/Rain. You've seen this GSL right? 3 ESF in the final 8 to 4 Kespa isn;t that bad I am not counting Parting on either side because his WOL was for ESF and his HOTS was for Kespa. Both were valuable for his success. Prior to WOL he was Kespa. So, how does that work? Completely different game. That is like saying Grubby's WC3 team should be credited for his SC2 wins. HOTS is just an expo pack that carried on almost all the skills needed to be a successful WOL Toss player (good forcefields, timings, blink micro, etc). Let me ask you a question. Name 10 of the best SC2 players from WOL and HOTS and tell me which game did they transition from. Here's an easier question and I will provide you with the answer: Which game did most of these players come from? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Did Life, Squirtle, Creator or Leenock play BW professionally? I know DRG, Mvp and MKP did but I don't know about the others. Not sure about Life or Creator. I know Squirtle and Leenock did. They didn't play professionally, but they transitioned from BW. do you have a source for leenock? playing a game for fun is much different to playing competitively, i'm sure most korean males have played BW at some point According to Liquipedia, "Leenock was an amateur Brood War player who reached A rank on iCCup. Some of his games are still available from IdrA's Ladder Replay Pack during TSL2."
ah, i wonder if he was ever in a pro team
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On May 29 2013 11:50 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 11:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 10:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 04:25 alexiii wrote:On May 28 2013 19:27 largehadroncollider wrote:On May 28 2013 18:03 opterown wrote:
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stop trying to bait Excuse me? I am not baiting KeSPA vs eSF or whatever. I am actually suggesting that MVP/Symbol/Gumiho/Bomber, the best of eSF, can hold up to the likes of INnoVation/Flash/Soulkey/Rain. You've seen this GSL right? 3 ESF in the final 8 to 4 Kespa isn;t that bad I am not counting Parting on either side because his WOL was for ESF and his HOTS was for Kespa. Both were valuable for his success. Prior to WOL he was Kespa. So, how does that work? Completely different game. That is like saying Grubby's WC3 team should be credited for his SC2 wins. HOTS is just an expo pack that carried on almost all the skills needed to be a successful WOL Toss player (good forcefields, timings, blink micro, etc). Let me ask you a question. Name 10 of the best SC2 players from WOL and HOTS and tell me which game did they transition from. Here's an easier question and I will provide you with the answer: Which game did most of these players come from? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Did Life, Squirtle, Creator or Leenock play BW professionally? I know DRG, Mvp and MKP did but I don't know about the others. Not sure about Life or Creator. I know Squirtle and Leenock did. They didn't play professionally, but they transitioned from BW. do you have a source for leenock? playing a game for fun is much different to playing competitively, i'm sure most korean males have played BW at some point
Leenock was in fOu which was a BW team that was acquired by FXO. There's also a BW replay of Idra vs Leenock on Fighting Spirit. The replay pack is uploaded on this website and I am sure you can find it on here.
You can check liquipedia too for his bio.
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On May 29 2013 12:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 11:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:On May 29 2013 11:50 opterown wrote:On May 29 2013 11:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 10:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:33 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 08:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 08:15 Emzeeshady wrote:On May 29 2013 04:25 alexiii wrote:
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You've seen this GSL right? 3 ESF in the final 8 to 4 Kespa isn;t that bad I am not counting Parting on either side because his WOL was for ESF and his HOTS was for Kespa. Both were valuable for his success. Prior to WOL he was Kespa. So, how does that work? Completely different game. That is like saying Grubby's WC3 team should be credited for his SC2 wins. HOTS is just an expo pack that carried on almost all the skills needed to be a successful WOL Toss player (good forcefields, timings, blink micro, etc). Let me ask you a question. Name 10 of the best SC2 players from WOL and HOTS and tell me which game did they transition from. Here's an easier question and I will provide you with the answer: Which game did most of these players come from? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League Did Life, Squirtle, Creator or Leenock play BW professionally? I know DRG, Mvp and MKP did but I don't know about the others. Not sure about Life or Creator. I know Squirtle and Leenock did. They didn't play professionally, but they transitioned from BW. do you have a source for leenock? playing a game for fun is much different to playing competitively, i'm sure most korean males have played BW at some point According to Liquipedia, "Leenock was an amateur Brood War player who reached A rank on iCCup. Some of his games are still available from IdrA's Ladder Replay Pack during TSL2." ah, i wonder if he was ever in a pro team
fOu was a team that a lot of pro gamers came from before going to a Kespa team. However, Leenock never played for a Kespa team.
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On May 29 2013 12:01 mordk wrote:
I don't care at all about this finals, I dislike both players.
But it would be a travesty if Soulkey won this match, it would be absolutely ridiculous and senseless.
What exactly do you dislike about them?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 12:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 12:01 mordk wrote:
I don't care at all about this finals, I dislike both players.
But it would be a travesty if Soulkey won this match, it would be absolutely ridiculous and senseless. What exactly do you dislike about them?
Team8 fan. He doesn't like winners :p :p :p
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TLADT24920 Posts
Really excited for this! Go innovation go! I feel that he deserves more recognition since he didn't get as much as SK did in BW so this is his chance. In his interview, he talked about this being his chance to finally grab a title and you can tell his heart is in it. I hope he takes it! Innovation for first HoTS GSL winner! :D
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rooting for soulkey because I want to see a more equally matched series
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Lol why do people even care about where players originated from? Digging into player histories to see if they've ever even been a part of a Kespa team, no matter how utterly unsuccessful and unnotable they were in BW? First we had the BW elitist sentiment of how all top BW players would simply mechanically dominate SC2 upon switching, and now that it's been seen that that hasn't been the case (top BW players like Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy are far from being top HotS players) we've moved all the way from that to simply trying to find any Kespa affiliation at all (no matter how trite) with a player's past to prove... what exactly? It just seems really pointless to me. It's like people have moved on from just cheering for either side to trying to prove that a player one side is actually a player for the other side. When it comes to that, it's time to ask yourself if it actually even matters anymore.
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On May 29 2013 13:25 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 13:20 HolyArrow wrote:
Lol why do people even care about where players originated from? Digging into player histories to see if they've ever even been a part of a Kespa team, no matter how utterly unsuccessful and unnotable they were in BW? First we had the BW elitist sentiment of how top BW players would simply mechanically dominate SC2 upon switching, and now that it's been seen that that hasn't been the case (top BW players like Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy are far from being top HotS players) we've moved all the way from that to simply trying to find any Kespa affiliation at all (no matter how trite) with a player's past to prove... what exactly? It just seems really pointless to me. It's like people have moved on from just cheering for either side to trying to prove that a player one side is actually a player for the other side. When it comes to that, it's time to ask yourself if it actually even matters anymore. IDK, I like to know more about the players pasts. It wouldn't effect who I am cheering for, I already a big fan of Leenock and I will still be regardless of any Kespa affiliation.
Yeah, I agree. I'm a Squirtle fan and his Kespa affiliation changes none of that for me. Same with Parting. Huge fan when he was on ST, and still a huge fan when he moved to SKT1, not to mention SKT1 is one of my favorite teams so it all works out even more. The issue here isn't that people are curious about a player's pasts. The issue here is that people who I presume to be Kespa fans are now pointing out the minor, unnotable Kespa backgrounds of good ESF players as if it matters, because I'm sure that there have been plenty of unsuccessful ESF players with Kespa backgrounds as well.
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On May 29 2013 12:39 BigFan wrote:
Really excited for this! Go innovation go! I feel that he deserves more recognition since he didn't get as much as SK did in BW so this is his chance. In his interview, he talked about this being his chance to finally grab a title and you can tell his heart is in it. I hope he takes it! Innovation for first HoTS GSL winner! :D
If you think Innovation hasn't gotten enough recognition, you haven't been on TL 
@HolyArrow: I think this is just a bit of curiosity, no ulterior motive to worry about.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
If I can't shit on players teams and organization how will I enjoy the games?!?!
Sorry I've graduated from debating to mockery
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United States1306 Posts
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Predicting and hoping for a Soulkey win, but it doesn't really matter if it goes to game 7.
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EPT
