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DustbinBieber
Profile Joined April 2013
France276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 19:02:36
May 20 2013 19:02 GMT
#461
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular.
I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 19:18:45
May 20 2013 19:17 GMT
#462
On May 21 2013 03:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 02:53 tozi wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:58 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:53 tozi wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:28 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote:
I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate.
Flash > Bisu in BW
Flash > Bisu in SC2

Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful

The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.

But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!

Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost.
I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).

I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.


Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG.
If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.

Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.

Innovation has ro4 finished in the GSL tournament, twice iirc. Where is Flash in the worlds highest rate tourney? Also Innovation just got a golden AK.

I think he also has one more RO finish for three? maybe I'm wrong though lol. In SCII, Innovation > Flash based on results(GSL weighed heavier than MLG) but in BW, Flash >>> Bogus based on results and everything in between lol. Also, no point in comparing Bisu to Flash. Maybe in BW, a comparison was possible but in SCII, Flash is one of the better players while Bisu is only starting to play better recently

Edit: Never realized just how good TY is getting at SCII. I remember when they first switched and he was on some 6 game losing streak or something like that. It was hard to believe that someone as good as he was in BW was doing poorly in SCII but ya, great to see him doing well. That game against Flash though, was crazy and it shows in the interview lol. Nice to see Flash get an all kill so maybe he can go back to his BW status as 'the' player to beat
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 20 2013 19:32 GMT
#463
On May 21 2013 04:17 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 03:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 21 2013 02:53 tozi wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:58 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:53 tozi wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:28 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote:
I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate.
Flash > Bisu in BW
Flash > Bisu in SC2

Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful

The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.

But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!

Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost.
I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).

I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.


Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG.
If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.

Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.

Innovation has ro4 finished in the GSL tournament, twice iirc. Where is Flash in the worlds highest rate tourney? Also Innovation just got a golden AK.

I think he also has one more RO finish for three? maybe I'm wrong though lol. In SCII, Innovation > Flash based on results(GSL weighed heavier than MLG) but in BW, Flash >>> Bogus based on results and everything in between lol. Also, no point in comparing Bisu to Flash. Maybe in BW, a comparison was possible but in SCII, Flash is one of the better players while Bisu is only starting to play better recently

Edit: Never realized just how good TY is getting at SCII. I remember when they first switched and he was on some 6 game losing streak or something like that. It was hard to believe that someone as good as he was in BW was doing poorly in SCII but ya, great to see him doing well. That game against Flash though, was crazy and it shows in the interview lol. Nice to see Flash get an all kill so maybe he can go back to his BW status as 'the' player to beat


I think TY showed promise in the beginning like he did when he joined BW but a lot of it is unfilled potential. ;/
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 20 2013 19:33 GMT
#464
It wasn't an all-kill.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
May 20 2013 19:35 GMT
#465
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote:
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular.
I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.

Agreed. I've been screaming for Bisu to play SC2 Terran and Flash to play SC2 Protoss since the WoL beta, lol
Что?
SibChil
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden502 Posts
May 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#466
No zergs in this sector
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 20:46:29
May 20 2013 20:46 GMT
#467
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote:
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular.
I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.


Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
May 20 2013 21:39 GMT
#468
Flash and Innovation battling it out hard for the top terran spot. Both are just tearing right through PL.
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
May 20 2013 21:49 GMT
#469
On May 21 2013 05:46 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote:
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular.
I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.


Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?


I think it has more to do with his exceptional multitasking fitting well with the way that SC2 terran plays.
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redemption
Profile Joined February 2006
United States112 Posts
May 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#470
On May 21 2013 05:46 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote:
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular.
I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.


Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?

It's already been said by his teammates that his Terran is amazing. Just not TvT, if I'm remembering correctly.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10566 Posts
May 20 2013 23:15 GMT
#471
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 20 2013 23:20 GMT
#472
Four matches now since somebody other than Flash or Wooki has won a game for KT.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
May 20 2013 23:23 GMT
#473
On May 21 2013 08:20 GolemMadness wrote:
Four matches now since somebody other than Flash or Wooki has won a game for KT.


Well to be fair, since they send out Flash after Zest gets defeated noone gets a chance to play anymore after that
You need to construct additional pylons.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 21 2013 00:14 GMT
#474
On May 21 2013 08:23 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 08:20 GolemMadness wrote:
Four matches now since somebody other than Flash or Wooki has won a game for KT.


Well to be fair, since they send out Flash after Zest gets defeated noone gets a chance to play anymore after that


Yeah, prior to this it was 3 matches since anybody else even played.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Mataru
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway356 Posts
May 21 2013 06:31 GMT
#475
Flash is starting to look really strong in SC2 now, it's a shame he dropped out of Code S so early. That God sense during the last game absolutely destroying the banshee harass showed some glimpse of BW Flash.
Proud citizen of ESPORTS
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
May 21 2013 10:04 GMT
#476
No vods?
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 22 2013 08:18 GMT
#477
On May 21 2013 19:04 Snowbear wrote:
No vods?

http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=Proleague Season 1 (FREE) 2013&tab=m

FLASSHHHUUU!!!
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
May 22 2013 08:35 GMT
#478
Would love to see a Flash vs Inovation BO7, and im not even a Terran player.
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