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On May 16 2013 18:49 Cereb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:47 Sc2Null wrote: anyone else noticing that innvoation goes mass marines/window mines every game vs. zerg? I would think roro would watch his replays and not go for the build that mass marines/wm counters. (I'm not saying it's broken, I'm just saying it's a solid build that doesn't outright get "countered" by something)
Which is a diplomatic way of saying the same thing, btw.
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why does he go pool first vs no gas proxy? its way better to go hatch first imo
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On May 16 2013 18:51 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 JazVM wrote: I dont know why people call it "overhyping" anyway. He looks completely unbeatable. it's easier to hate than to love QFT! irelevant from context
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On May 16 2013 18:50 Insoleet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:49 dcemuser wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 Foxxan wrote: bad decision with spire imo, just go for more upgrade and get speedupg for banes, and mass those things for a while, his eco was good....
Yeah, that's what he did, and that's why he lost. He had the speed upgrade and he wasted all his gas on upgrades that didn't help him in that fight. If he'd have spent that 300-400 gas on Mutas, he would have cleaned that up. I know it's really impossible to make a long-term (upgrades) vs short-term (3-4 mutas) decision in the moment, but in this case, one was a game loss. Muta wouldnt have helped lol 4 muta against a drop ? Against marine medivac mine ? -.- He just needed a faster lair for faster banespeed. Maybe lair before melee upgrade would have been a good idea.
He was way behind and had to gamble. Innovation didn't do the standard 3CC follow up to the 2rax and consequently Roros ecogamble fell apart.
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On May 16 2013 18:51 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 JazVM wrote: I dont know why people call it "overhyping" anyway. He looks completely unbeatable. it's easier to hate than to love
Spoken like a true EG fan 
Innovation looks unbeatable in his current form, at least in TvZ. Better hope Bomber wins to at least bring a different matchup to the table because I don't see Symbol or Soulkey taking games off this slayer of champion nerds.
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Omg I can't stand up. Everyone's gonna see the boner Innovation just gave me.
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On May 16 2013 18:46 [Silverflame] wrote: Innovation is Innovation. This is not Terran! Pls Blizzard this is not the truth. ;D
There's nothing to be ashamed of when good players are winning.
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On May 16 2013 18:50 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:47 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 18:44 Tsubbi wrote: best zerg vs best terran, total stomp lol Quit your balance whining, Roro is not the best Zerg. That's Life, with Roro and Soulkey trailing. And Roro's TvZ looked lacklustre (as much as that was possible) in WoL. you saw what he did to life? Anyway, I think Soulkey is the best bet for a zerg to beat Bogus. Life has spoken about those games and from the sound of it, it's not his optimal play. He DID play worse that he has. His ZvT has been fixed afaik.
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oh wtf? It's nearing the 1hr mark and Bogus hasn't 3-0'd RorO yet? Pick up the pace yo!
Thought I could wake up to Bomber vs Symbol and skip the stomp :p
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On May 16 2013 18:50 Prince_Stranger wrote: I hope Soulkey will not lose to sOs because he can win vs Innovation in finals. So can sOs. He stomped Innovation before.
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On May 16 2013 18:50 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:48 Brett wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 McBengt wrote: First I would like congratulate Innovation on being probably the best terran in the world, if not just the best player straight up.
Secondly I would like to congratulate twitch on being more shit than I believed to be possible, surpassing even justintv in sheer shitness. Watch on Gom. I've got zero issues. I am, with the terrible resolution that follows. Just annyoing that twitch can't get their shit together for one day. It's not like an isolated incident, it's been beyond terrible every day for weeks now.
Twitch has been fine for me all the time up to today and the GOM resolution is fine/better than twitch for me
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On May 16 2013 18:52 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:51 nkr wrote:On May 16 2013 18:50 JazVM wrote: I dont know why people call it "overhyping" anyway. He looks completely unbeatable. it's easier to hate than to love Spoken like a true EG fan  Innovation looks unbeatable in his current form, at least in TvZ. Better hope Bomber wins to at least bring a different matchup to the table because I don't see Symbol or Soulkey taking games off this slayer of champion nerds.
Fun fact so far is that the 1 tvz that innovation has lost in hots in official games so far is to soulkey. I think soulkey has a chance versus innovation, any other zerg right now doesn't seem like it.
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On May 16 2013 18:52 Decendos wrote:why does he go pool first vs no gas proxy? its way better to go hatch first imo 
yeah, that one I didn't get, and the proxy hatch was also quite stupid, as Innovation was just like "poke up-->Not enough stuff, there is something fishy--> scout--> there it is"
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On May 16 2013 18:52 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 Insoleet wrote:On May 16 2013 18:49 dcemuser wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 Foxxan wrote: bad decision with spire imo, just go for more upgrade and get speedupg for banes, and mass those things for a while, his eco was good....
Yeah, that's what he did, and that's why he lost. He had the speed upgrade and he wasted all his gas on upgrades that didn't help him in that fight. If he'd have spent that 300-400 gas on Mutas, he would have cleaned that up. I know it's really impossible to make a long-term (upgrades) vs short-term (3-4 mutas) decision in the moment, but in this case, one was a game loss. Muta wouldnt have helped lol 4 muta against a drop ? Against marine medivac mine ? -.- He just needed a faster lair for faster banespeed. Maybe lair before melee upgrade would have been a good idea. He was way behind and had to gamble. Innovation didn't do the standard 3CC follow up to the 2rax and consequently Roros ecogamble fell apart.
precisely. you have to take those risks as roro in that position. if innovation just sat back for a big explosion and roro wasn't preparing for THAT, he would've gotten stomped even harder.
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On May 16 2013 18:50 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:48 EpiK wrote: why are people complaining about tasteless's overhyping. Artosis does it all the time. At least innovation deserves it. Yeah, people are complaining more tonight (when it's actually warranted) than they have back in the Nestea days when he was getting swept in every series but hyped to all hell.... Odd. Well with Nestea it was just a funny nickname, here it is actually claiming someone is the best ever. You can say it once if you want, but god dam it gets obnoxious after a while.
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On May 16 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 Elroi wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 18:44 Tsubbi wrote: best zerg vs best terran, total stomp lol Quit your balance whining, Roro is not the best Zerg. That's Life, with Roro and Soulkey trailing. And Roro's TvZ looked lacklustre (as much as that was possible) in WoL. you saw what he did to life? Anyway, I think Soulkey is the best bet for a zerg to beat Bogus. Life has spoken about those games and from the sound of it, it's not his optimal play. He DID play worse that he has. His ZvT has been fixed afaik. I guess we'll see eventually, but innovation would be the clear favorite in my eyes at least.
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On May 16 2013 18:51 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:49 Cereb wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 Sc2Null wrote: anyone else noticing that innvoation goes mass marines/window mines every game vs. zerg? I would think roro would watch his replays and not go for the build that mass marines/wm counters. (I'm not saying it's broken, I'm just saying it's a solid build that doesn't outright get "countered" by something) Which is a diplomatic way of saying the same thing, btw. no it's not, as long as it has builds that trade evenly with it then it's fine, if every build had a counter then we would never see close games lol
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On May 16 2013 18:53 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 Prince_Stranger wrote: I hope Soulkey will not lose to sOs because he can win vs Innovation in finals. So can sOs. He stomped Innovation before.
Not to mention that Innovation is very beatable in TvP.
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Innovation looks very scary at the moment, but the most unbeatable player award still goes to Squirtle from S2 of 2012. 14 game win streak, killed everyone, and then ran into broken man Mvp who used his experience to beat him.
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On May 16 2013 18:52 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:50 Elroi wrote:On May 16 2013 18:47 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 16 2013 18:44 Tsubbi wrote: best zerg vs best terran, total stomp lol Quit your balance whining, Roro is not the best Zerg. That's Life, with Roro and Soulkey trailing. And Roro's TvZ looked lacklustre (as much as that was possible) in WoL. you saw what he did to life? Anyway, I think Soulkey is the best bet for a zerg to beat Bogus. Life has spoken about those games and from the sound of it, it's not his optimal play. He DID play worse that he has. His ZvT has been fixed afaik.
He's not going to come out and say "I played my best" after losing 2-0. Don't read into him saying 'I didn't play well' too much.
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