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On May 13 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:30 Arceus wrote:On May 13 2013 21:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:01 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 20:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 20:57 Longtimer wrote:
So, is sOs the new HelloKitty or is it the other way around? They're both the new Puzzle, which means they'll fade back into mediocrity soon enough. :< + Show Spoiler +hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that.. Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance. That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well. Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/ nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype: -Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc) See it depends where you're looking at. If you're only looking at GSL, then sure. But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time. Alicia's hype in 2011 was from the Super Tournament; I don't think YongHwa or First really got any hype in 2011.
Alicia hype dates back to at least GSL May, where Artosis called him the best PvT on the planet after sweeping the group with fan favourites NaDa and MarineKing.
All of the IM Protosses have been hyped due to one thing or another that Artosis saw (on ladder or in GSTL) or heard (about their practice winrates) even as far as back as the period I mentioned, just not in a big way. He predicted them to break out as the next big Protoss player, which took about a year to come to fruition (except for Ready, who has not yet accomplished anything noteworthy)
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On May 13 2013 21:38 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:30 Arceus wrote:On May 13 2013 21:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:01 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 20:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 20:57 Longtimer wrote:
So, is sOs the new HelloKitty or is it the other way around? They're both the new Puzzle, which means they'll fade back into mediocrity soon enough. :< + Show Spoiler +hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that.. Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance. That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well. Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/ nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype: -Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc) See it depends where you're looking at. If you're only looking at GSL, then sure. But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time. lol exactly.. they got 2nd place in foreign tourneys but thats about it The actual good ones like Liquid Hero multiple tournaments
Let's not forget HerO was also one of those hyped up, up-and-coming players ever since he was on oGs, as long as half a year before he actually won anything. But yeah, he's one of the few who truly delivered.
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Yes! I moved up 1242 spots and sitting at #55, highest I've ever been in FPL. Better than 3k+ rank of the usual.
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opterown
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First wasn't in IM in 2011 iirc
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On May 13 2013 21:43 opterown wrote:
First wasn't in IM in 2011 iirc
That's correct, it still holds true for YongHwa and Seed however. (and again, Ready, but he's not really proven anything so far)
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51707 Posts
On May 13 2013 21:43 opterown wrote:
First wasn't in IM in 2011 iirc
nope he was in KT.
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O fuck yeah my woongjin boys, this FPL season is mine 
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On May 13 2013 21:38 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:30 Arceus wrote:On May 13 2013 21:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 21:01 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 20:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 13 2013 20:57 Longtimer wrote:
So, is sOs the new HelloKitty or is it the other way around? They're both the new Puzzle, which means they'll fade back into mediocrity soon enough. :< + Show Spoiler +hopefully not though, we've had enough Protoss like that.. Would not put my money on it. Plowing through Code S for one season is one thing, but simultaneously also plowing through PL shows real substance. That's true, but at the same time Puzzle also did very well in online tournaments (RIP) and pretty decently in GSTL as well. Anyway, I'm not really ragging on Puzzle here, but Protoss has had a lot of players who performed well for a little while, got hyped as if they were the best player in the world and then proceeded to disappoint for months on end. Other players here would include Sage, Alicia, Tassadar, Oz, Brown, Parting, YongHwa, First etc. Of course, some of them have recently managed to break out in very convincing fashion (but they still did experience a pretty long "slump"), while others have long since fallen to the wayside. :/ nah of all the protosses you have mentioned, only PartinG emerged as a serious title contender. The rest somehow performed well here and there (mostly GSTL) and got enormous unjustified hype: -Sage: played one aggressive, Bisu-ish game on TDA and disappeared -Alicia: a truly solid toss at his peak but nothing more, came with the SlayerS hype, faded with its scandal -Oz: use to have geat PvP iirc. he sucks at it now dont know why -Tassadar: 4gate allin w/e -Brown: up & coming, fluke into a code S and disappear (hes coming back though) -YongHwa: mediocre as hell but somehow Artosis got his back. Code A Ro36 material -First: decent Code A protoss. He has the potential to break out though -Puzzle: almost the same as Alicia, got wiped out of Code S at his peak (by Bomber iirc) See it depends where you're looking at. If you're only looking at GSL, then sure. But if you consider the big picture, Alicia got 2nd in NASL, MLG and MLG Arena; First got Top 4 and also 2nd at MLG, 2nd and 1st place at IEM; YongHwa got 2nd at HomeStory Cup, Top 4 IEM, 1st at WCG Korea and a few all-kills... They're really good now, but they've been hyped ever since 2011 and failed to deliver for a long time. lol exactly.. they got 2nd place in foreign tourneys but thats about it The actual good ones like Liquid Hero multiple tournaments
To be fair, if you look at the number of foreign events they have been to compare with HerO, their results stack up very well with HerO.
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Poland3775 Posts
On May 13 2013 20:24 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:22 nimdil wrote:On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote:
Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments. Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway. As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there. Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners.
Maybe I didn't say that clearly enough. Restart from replay is superior in some way. LAN is superior in other (fewer disconnects and a lot less lag). But I guess LAN vs Restart is like SC2 vs SC:BW.
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On May 13 2013 22:59 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:24 Darksoldierr wrote:On May 13 2013 20:22 nimdil wrote:On May 13 2013 20:19 Darksoldierr wrote:
Blizzard's logic is pretty funny, they cannot make LAN so they make an entire new feature to help when dc happens, instead of just providing local server to bigger tournaments. Actually restart from replay is superior to LAN. LAN can still break down, power outage can happen. Restart from replay will work anyway. As for the casters trolling - this is pathetic. America/NA number one country/region in SC2. That would be funny if it wasn't popping so regularly here and there. Yes, definitely superior, but i wonder, how much less dc's would we get overall if they were just playing on lan. I know it is an amazing feature, but dosen't make sense, when you could just provide local servers to atleast WCS partners. Maybe I didn't say that clearly enough. Restart from replay is superior in some way. LAN is superior in other (fewer disconnects and a lot less lag). But I guess LAN vs Restart is like SC2 vs SC:BW.
You can and should ideally have both.
Having LAN capability would allow a pro match to carry on completely unhindered even if one of the players' PCs ends up randomly disconnecting from Battle.net or even the Internet altogether. It would also get rid of dropping issues by casters that are, again, due to BNet or their connection not being up to par.
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Poland3775 Posts
Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
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Cool to see Snute in Proleague!
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Northern Ireland27473 Posts
On May 13 2013 23:31 nimdil wrote:
Ideally there would be law prohibiting on-line requirement for features of any video game that - logically - does not require it.
In an ideal world that'd be great. So frustrating when you can't even play single-player only parts nowadays without being online. Happy birthday as well man!
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The only reason free is doing well is because I picked him for my anti team. You are welcome free.
Happy Snute was sent out though I have to go back and watch that later.
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Well sOs finally gets me a win, he was like never getting sent out, with Soulkey killing everything >;l
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well..at least they didn't get all killed.
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what happened to Taeja??? Only him is capable of reverse AK but they send JD instead???
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On May 14 2013 01:51 tuho12345 wrote:
what happened to Taeja??? Only him is capable of reverse AK but they send JD instead???
The Wrists of Wrath
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Well, now it's really over for EGTL. 
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I can't believe they would send in Snute, considering their position.
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EPT
