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On April 21 2013 11:27 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:25 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:24 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:10 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:05 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:03 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:00 DeathProfessor wrote:
I feel like this tournament was pretty badly designed (ya think?) no but besides all the issues I just feel like a losers bracket BO3 tournament was a terrible idea for NA. It is way easier on Koreans actually because if they drop a series they get easier competition and everyone is human and makes mistakes, second chance lets Korean mess up once and still get a seed.
I guess what I am saying is NA players need to get lucky to win most of the time, this system eliminates luck from the equation. EU was smart by making a first round BO1, this allowed EU to get some decent snipes and it saved valuable time.
If JD was elimmed out for example it would have saved so many players, OTP would have been saved and could have had an easier road to a spot.
Also this argument about Idra or Demuslim is dumb, if you replaced someone it would be State or something, why compare one dude with another who both get big time stream numbers? They BOTH deserve to move on. Not really. As elimenation or loser/winnersbrackets over mutiple days gives more then 1 chance for everybody. The difference between EU and NA is just that EU has better players basically. Just ask the korean protos if mech is viable in tvp  Lol EU does have better players but that is not the difference. The difference is 4 koreans trying to qualify vs 20 koreans trying to qualify. Then there's the fact that these are far better Koreans in this qualifier and there is less latency. Thats why u bought demuslim, stephano etcetc... ofc.. u must be right  What does that have to do with what I said? Everything! Absolutely nothing you mean. EG bought them because they are good popular foreigners. If they were Korean EG never would have bought them. If you think EU is actually competitive with Korea skill wise because of the EU qualifiers you are kind of dumb.
Ahhh so funny. As for the koreans that are attending WCS NA and EU, yes EU is competative. Look at rankings closely, only NA-player in top100 is scarlet and alot europeans. GLHF
http://aligulac.com/periods/83/?page=2&sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all
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On April 21 2013 11:33 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:24 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:10 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:05 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:03 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:00 DeathProfessor wrote:
I feel like this tournament was pretty badly designed (ya think?) no but besides all the issues I just feel like a losers bracket BO3 tournament was a terrible idea for NA. It is way easier on Koreans actually because if they drop a series they get easier competition and everyone is human and makes mistakes, second chance lets Korean mess up once and still get a seed.
I guess what I am saying is NA players need to get lucky to win most of the time, this system eliminates luck from the equation. EU was smart by making a first round BO1, this allowed EU to get some decent snipes and it saved valuable time.
If JD was elimmed out for example it would have saved so many players, OTP would have been saved and could have had an easier road to a spot.
Also this argument about Idra or Demuslim is dumb, if you replaced someone it would be State or something, why compare one dude with another who both get big time stream numbers? They BOTH deserve to move on. Not really. As elimenation or loser/winnersbrackets over mutiple days gives more then 1 chance for everybody. The difference between EU and NA is just that EU has better players basically. Just ask the korean protos if mech is viable in tvp Lol EU does have better players but that is not the difference. The difference is 4 koreans trying to qualify vs 20 koreans trying to qualify. Then there's the fact that these are far better Koreans in this qualifier and there is less latency. Thats why u bought demuslim, stephano etcetc... ofc.. u must be right What does that have to do with what I said? Everything! Absolutely nothing you mean. EG bought them because they are good popular foreigners. If they were Korean EG never would have bought them. If you think EU is actually competitive with Korea skill wise because of the EU qualifiers you are kind of dumb. Ahhh so funny. As for the koreans that are attending WCS NA and EU, yes EU is competative. Look at rankings closely, only NA-player in top100 is scarlet and alot europeans. GLHF http://aligulac.com/periods/83/?page=2&sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all
Just a cursory glance at this list reveals it to be useless garbage.
ForGG and Lucifron are better than Innovation? Yeah ok.
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On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:27 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:18 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:17 slyderturtle wrote:
I'm starting to see why people were unhappy about the koreans in NA Were you here earlier in the day to see the non-korean games? It's not about how good the games were, it's the fact that there are no NA players left in the winner bracket of the NA WCS qualifier I get the impression that opinion is fairly split on whether or not this is a good thing. I had that impression too? I'm saying that the one side has a point haha. I guess there is no solution that will satisfy everyone in this situation. Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.
How else are Catz and his merry band supposed to afford a frat house in California?
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Apoc about to be Protossed?
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Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 5m
Well at least our guys will get to sleep after this, CranK is hallucinating IRL rather than ingame after 30 hours awake.
Everyone still involved must be exhausted.
Ko Seok Hyun @QuanticHyuN 24m
아...멘붕.........지금까지 안자고 했는데 자기들 실수라고 하지말래 아 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 자러 가야지....
"Ahh... mentally broken.... I was sitting here all this time and didn't tell me it was a mistake *crying face* Lets go to sleep."
Poor HyuN 
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On April 21 2013 11:36 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:33 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:27 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:24 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:10 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:05 JJH777 wrote:On April 21 2013 11:03 govie wrote:On April 21 2013 11:00 DeathProfessor wrote:
I feel like this tournament was pretty badly designed (ya think?) no but besides all the issues I just feel like a losers bracket BO3 tournament was a terrible idea for NA. It is way easier on Koreans actually because if they drop a series they get easier competition and everyone is human and makes mistakes, second chance lets Korean mess up once and still get a seed.
I guess what I am saying is NA players need to get lucky to win most of the time, this system eliminates luck from the equation. EU was smart by making a first round BO1, this allowed EU to get some decent snipes and it saved valuable time.
If JD was elimmed out for example it would have saved so many players, OTP would have been saved and could have had an easier road to a spot.
Also this argument about Idra or Demuslim is dumb, if you replaced someone it would be State or something, why compare one dude with another who both get big time stream numbers? They BOTH deserve to move on. Not really. As elimenation or loser/winnersbrackets over mutiple days gives more then 1 chance for everybody. The difference between EU and NA is just that EU has better players basically. Just ask the korean protos if mech is viable in tvp Lol EU does have better players but that is not the difference. The difference is 4 koreans trying to qualify vs 20 koreans trying to qualify. Then there's the fact that these are far better Koreans in this qualifier and there is less latency. Thats why u bought demuslim, stephano etcetc... ofc.. u must be right What does that have to do with what I said? Everything! Absolutely nothing you mean. EG bought them because they are good popular foreigners. If they were Korean EG never would have bought them. If you think EU is actually competitive with Korea skill wise because of the EU qualifiers you are kind of dumb. Ahhh so funny. As for the koreans that are attending WCS NA and EU, yes EU is competative. Look at rankings closely, only NA-player in top100 is scarlet and alot europeans. GLHF http://aligulac.com/periods/83/?page=2&sort=&race=ptzrs&nats=all Just a cursory glance at this list reveals it to be useless garbage. ForGG and Lucifron are better than Innovation? Yeah ok.
Indeed, but i believe it does show that europeans could compete with the korean qualifiers for NA/EU
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On April 21 2013 11:36 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:30 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:27 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:18 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:17 slyderturtle wrote:
I'm starting to see why people were unhappy about the koreans in NA Were you here earlier in the day to see the non-korean games? It's not about how good the games were, it's the fact that there are no NA players left in the winner bracket of the NA WCS qualifier I get the impression that opinion is fairly split on whether or not this is a good thing. I had that impression too? I'm saying that the one side has a point haha. I guess there is no solution that will satisfy everyone in this situation. On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well. How else are Catz and his merry band supposed to afford a frat house in California?
By doing a fundraiser!
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On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.
Well if you have 15 koreans in the top 16, it will be like Code B with same prize pool as GSL Code S.
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damn 30 hours? Surely they had an opportunity for at least a 2hr nap sometime after GSTL? Seems silly to play a qualifier on such low sleep even if it is for additional practice.
w/e though Miya and Crank have made it far regardless
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So apparently PhysicsLee used a drop hack in game 3 vs Duster and then reported the game as a win for him.
Can't win with map/production hacks so has to drop hack instead.
Fucking Joke of a player
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On April 21 2013 11:39 infKelsier wrote:
So apparently PhysicsLee used a drop hack in game 3 vs Duster and then reported the game as a win for him.
Can't win with map/production hacks so has to drop hack instead.
Fucking Joke of a player
Wow what a douche
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On April 21 2013 11:39 infKelsier wrote:
So apparently PhysicsLee used a drop hack in game 3 vs Duster and then reported the game as a win for him.
Can't win with map/production hacks so has to drop hack instead.
Fucking Joke of a player
sick if true..
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On April 21 2013 11:39 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well. Well if you have 15 koreans in the top 16, it will be like Code B with same prize pool as GSL Code S.
Both situations are terrible, WCS KR should have x2 as much prize money as NA/EU.
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On April 21 2013 11:37 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 5m
Well at least our guys will get to sleep after this, CranK is hallucinating IRL rather than ingame after 30 hours awake. Everyone still involved must be exhausted. Show nested quote +Ko Seok Hyun @QuanticHyuN 24m
아...멘붕.........지금까지 안자고 했는데 자기들 실수라고 하지말래 아 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 자러 가야지.... "Ahh... mentally broken.... I was sitting here all this time and didn't tell me it was a mistake *crying face* Lets go to sleep." Poor HyuN
Shit, 30 hours without sleep just isn't healthy. That really sucks
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On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:27 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:18 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:17 slyderturtle wrote:
I'm starting to see why people were unhappy about the koreans in NA Were you here earlier in the day to see the non-korean games? It's not about how good the games were, it's the fact that there are no NA players left in the winner bracket of the NA WCS qualifier I get the impression that opinion is fairly split on whether or not this is a good thing. I had that impression too? I'm saying that the one side has a point haha. I guess there is no solution that will satisfy everyone in this situation. Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.
If EU didn't have so much lag for Koreans, it would be the same story there. EU might be better than NA, but it's not like they're better than Koreans. It's like saying high master players deserve the same prize as Korea, but low master players... what a tragedy it would be if they had the same fate. If Koreans are going to play in NA, at least have them be the best. What's the point of helping out second tier Koreans at the expense of foreign scenes.
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On April 21 2013 11:39 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well. Well if you have 15 koreans in the top 16, it will be like Code B with same prize pool as GSL Code S.
Right, it is silly either way but that is a result of the way Blizzard designed WCS. The solution to the problem isn't to make it even dumber by making it a NA-only arena with a 100k prize pool.
On April 21 2013 11:41 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:30 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:27 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:25 slyderturtle wrote:On April 21 2013 11:18 Cyrak wrote:On April 21 2013 11:17 slyderturtle wrote:
I'm starting to see why people were unhappy about the koreans in NA Were you here earlier in the day to see the non-korean games? It's not about how good the games were, it's the fact that there are no NA players left in the winner bracket of the NA WCS qualifier I get the impression that opinion is fairly split on whether or not this is a good thing. I had that impression too? I'm saying that the one side has a point haha. I guess there is no solution that will satisfy everyone in this situation. On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well. If EU didn't have so much lag for Koreans, it would be the same story there. EU might be better than NA, but it's not like they're better than Koreans. It's like saying high master players deserve the same prize as Korea, but low master players... what a tragedy it would be if they had the same fate. If Koreans are going to play in NA, at least have them be the best. What's the point of helping out second tier Koreans at the expense of foreign scenes.
The prize pools should have been structured in a way that didn't incentivize Koreans to invade the other regions and take their money.
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On April 21 2013 11:39 infKelsier wrote:
So apparently PhysicsLee used a drop hack in game 3 vs Duster and then reported the game as a win for him.
Can't win with map/production hacks so has to drop hack instead.
Fucking Joke of a player
If this is true, MLG has to do something about this immediately. This is ridiculous
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On April 21 2013 11:37 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +Totalbiscuit @Totalbiscuit 5m
Well at least our guys will get to sleep after this, CranK is hallucinating IRL rather than ingame after 30 hours awake. Everyone still involved must be exhausted. Show nested quote +Ko Seok Hyun @QuanticHyuN 24m
아...멘붕.........지금까지 안자고 했는데 자기들 실수라고 하지말래 아 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 자러 가야지.... "Ahh... mentally broken.... I was sitting here all this time and didn't tell me it was a mistake *crying face* Lets go to sleep." Poor HyuN
Poor Hyun... Where is Quantic though in all of this? What kind of team are they that they have no idea which qualifier their star player is supposed to play in? Aren't they the ones who should have signed him up and set him up for wherever he needs to play?
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On April 21 2013 11:31 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:30 Dodgin wrote:
If it weren't for Koreans/EU players in WCS NA you would have 32 NA players competing for the same prize pool as GSL Code S. A lot of people seem to want this. Seems ridiculous to me as well.
Why can't it be 32 NA players competing for half the prize pool of code S?
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On April 21 2013 11:42 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 11:39 infKelsier wrote:
So apparently PhysicsLee used a drop hack in game 3 vs Duster and then reported the game as a win for him.
Can't win with map/production hacks so has to drop hack instead.
Fucking Joke of a player If this is true, MLG has to do something about this immediately. This is ridiculous
It happen over 4h ago.
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